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Re: Big Green fights back
« Reply #90 on: August 12, 2007, 12:22:47 AM »
I think everyone is entitled to an opinion and a preference.  That is why I think bottom Remingtons should be considered for anyone who only shoots once a year.   Lower end offerings from the Savage Corp would also fit the bill.   I don't think it matters much with that individual.  I also know that there are plenty of people that only have one rifle, a situation that mostly means economics rather than desire.   My late uncle could never understand why I wanted more than one rifle.  He always looked at me like I was goofy when it came to my gun collection.

I don't buy Savages/Stevens/Mossbergs just out of personal preference.   Just like I don't buy Fords... never did/never will.   But that doesn't mean someone else shouldn't buy a Ford.   

I won't even get into my preference in wimmin, but long legged blondes peak my interest. 



 
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Re: Big Green fights back
« Reply #91 on: August 12, 2007, 03:48:44 AM »
i agree. although the savage American classic looks good and i probably would consider it. but now i am sticking to t/c and Remington and the mossburg shot gun is tried and true i just don't know about the rifle. Stevens used to be good a long time ago
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Re: Big Green fights back
« Reply #92 on: August 12, 2007, 11:14:32 AM »
Nope, all I have is turkeys and I am under contract with a major supplier of hot dogs, and all kinds of turkey processed meats.  I'm not suppose to say but it sounds like ouis Rich.  I get them in the .5-1lb range and raise them to 28-40+lb.  The large ones are for processed meats and hot dogs.  I have 10 houses and in the process of building five more.  Each house holds 25,000-30,000 birds, so I have a lot of breasts. All the feeders and water is auto, so all I have to do everyday is pick the dead ones out and incenerate them. I was lucky enough to own land away from many houses but now that's not true anymore.  Now, they petition homeowners in my area for objections,  I have the only farm in my area so I do OK.  I'll see if I can get some pictures, still haven't mastered that on this board.  About all I can do is cut and paste.
As far as Remington, maybe one day I will give them another chance with a low budget model but no time soon.  I wish all of you the best no matter what you shoot as season opens in only three days here. 
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Re: Big Green fights back
« Reply #93 on: August 12, 2007, 12:23:01 PM »
wow. season opens here in about 2 months unless you bow hunt then its in like 1 month
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Re: Big Green fights back
« Reply #94 on: August 12, 2007, 03:38:24 PM »
Yeah, I'm one of the chosen few who was lucky to call the state of SC my birthplace and my home.  I've been other places but like it in South Carolina. Lately we've seen an influx of people who talk kind of funny.  They say they are from New Jersey or Wisconson or some wheres like that.  The bad thing is once they spend some time here they never want to leave, even if you offer to pay for the ticket.  Our legislature is trying to pass the three days law.  Fish and Yankees are to be thrown out after three days.  Just a joke fellers, nobody take that seriously, just kidding I meant every word of it!    Season runs Aug 15th to Jan 1st for private land.  The WMA land and other game zones open a little later in September. 
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Re: Big Green fights back
« Reply #95 on: August 12, 2007, 04:15:11 PM »
I'm not a Remington basher, as I own 4 of them. I'm not about to own the low end of their products lines  though. I tried a new Viper, took it home, and it never did work right. Only had it a couple days, and returned it to the dealer and got something else instead, a Marlin Model 60 if I remember correctly. That has never missed a beat.

A good friend saved me the trouble of trying a 597, and he got rid of it soon also. Not impressed with the 710 from the look and feel of it either.

A general rule that I use is when comparing products is: An item from a company that specializes in low end products is "generally" (as in not always) better than a lowend product from a medium to high quality manufacturer. The higher "class" company often has a tougher time competing qualitywise I think at the low end of the price spectrum. Whether it be a higher priced workforce or other extra costs and overhead. They just can't make a low priced product as well as a company that specializes in a low priced item. I'm not sure if I'm explaining myself clearly or not, but I hope so.

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Re: Big Green fights back
« Reply #96 on: August 12, 2007, 04:55:19 PM »
Yeah i hunt wma land down around woods fairy sometimes. i hunt on my land and go on about 1 guided hunt. i like to turkey hunt around landsford canal and on my land. i wish i could find a good place to quail hunt though.
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Re: Big Green fights back
« Reply #97 on: August 12, 2007, 09:29:19 PM »
Quote from: rifleman on August 12, 2007, 04:15:11 PM
A general rule that I use is when comparing products is: An item from a company that specializes in low end products is "generally" (as in not always) better than a lowend product from a medium to high quality manufacturer. The higher "class" company often has a tougher time competing qualitywise I think at the low end of the price spectrum. Whether it be a higher priced workforce or other extra costs and overhead. They just can't make a low priced product as well as a company that specializes in a low priced item. I'm not sure if I'm explaining myself clearly or not, but I hope so.  Dave

I think you explained it pretty good.  It's kind of like when a first place football team plays a game against the last place team, and in an effort to put on a good show, the first place team starts playing at the talent level of the last place team and ends up losing the game.

Remington probably has to try pretty hard to put out a piece of junk at the lower end in an effort to have something on the table to compete with Stevens/Mossberg.
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Re: Big Green fights back
« Reply #98 on: August 13, 2007, 09:10:37 AM »
yeah i agree. i do like the mossburg shotguns though they are as good or better than the 870 express but not the regular 870
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Re: Big Green fights back
« Reply #99 on: August 13, 2007, 10:59:43 AM »
Every Citizen of this country owes a debt of gratitude to the Mossbergs for the Shotgun they produced that went to WWII, and wars since.  There is high praise, among the Men and Women who came back, for the Mossberg Shotgun.

I have no problem at all with Mossberg Shotguns.  They are affordable and reliable.  I have a Mossberg shotgun that I use for Turkey Hunting every Spring and Fall.   What is great about mine is that it came with a regular tube and a Slug Barrel and I since obtained a 209 .50 Muzzleloader Barrel that Mossberg made for the model I own.   For under $300, I have a gun that will do it all.  All I have to do is change barrels.

However, I don't associate the Mossberg name with a bolt action rifle product.  And since there isn't much difference between a Mossberg and a Stevens, it is probably a reduntant product that Mossberg could have lived without putting its name on. 

I believe Savage/Stevens/Mossberg came out with those low end rifles as an answer to Remingtons ADL.  Now Remington has ditched the ADL for the SPS, and Mossberg/Savage/Stevens sits there with stuff that is no match for either the ADL or the SPS.  The SPS is not something I would buy either, but I would have an SPS before I would own a Stevens or a Mossberg Bolt.

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Re: Big Green fights back
« Reply #100 on: August 14, 2007, 01:53:37 AM »
the mossburg is a weatherby vanguard with mossburg printed on the bolt. and the howa is the same gun also. i have a remington adl and its a great gun. the 700's are all built about the same. its the same as a bdl only it does not have a but plate and it dosen't come in walnut. its a tough little gun though. i mounted a Leupold on mine 1inch groups at 100 yards
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Re: Big Green fights back
« Reply #101 on: August 14, 2007, 03:56:51 AM »
Quote from: T/CEncore1 on August 14, 2007, 01:53:37 AM
the mossburg is a weatherby vanguard with mossburg printed on the bolt. and the howa is the same gun also. i have a remington adl and its a great gun. the 700's are all built about the same. its the same as a bdl only it does not have a but plate and it dosen't come in walnut. its a tough little gun though. i mounted a Leupold on mine 1inch groups at 100 yards

Actually, the Mossberg is a Howa, as is the Weatherby Vanguard. 
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Re: Big Green fights back
« Reply #102 on: August 14, 2007, 01:45:33 PM »
ohh i guess i had to backwards
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Re: Big Green fights back
« Reply #103 on: August 15, 2007, 03:26:02 AM »
Mossberg made many fine 22 rifles in it's history.
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Re: Big Green fights back
« Reply #104 on: August 17, 2007, 02:43:20 AM »
The 4 Remingtons I own are all 870s. 2 Wingmasters and 2 Express. The Wingmasters are just great as most everyone acknowledges. The Express will get generally mixed reviews. I find them serviceable and generally of acceptable quality and reliable, while not being pretty. A good starter shotgun, and I don't have to worry about nicks, dings and scratches out in the field.

I do have an issue with the more recent Express models that I've seen. Specifically the coarse rasp file on top of the vent rib. What the heck is that, anyway? With the cheap guncase liners these days, you'll be replacing guncases several times a year if you go out hunting or shooting regularly.

Actually the cheap guncases these days are another sore spot with me, but that is not what this thread is all about.

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Re: Big Green fights back
« Reply #105 on: August 18, 2007, 10:30:07 AM »
I am a huge Remington 700 fan.  My .375 H&H is one of my favorite rifles.  That said, when I got a "beater" .270 to drag up into a tree behind me during deer season, I looked at the low-end offerings available and ended up with a Mossberg ATR-100.  The stock and trigger were better than the comparable Stevens, and mine shoots between 1-1.5" groups all day from the bench with Federal Fusion ammo.  Granted, I put a Leupold Vari-X III 3.5-10x scope on it, but the rifle does it's part too. 

The Remington 710 fell out of the running instantly when I actually picked one up in my hands.  It felt cheap, and it cost more than my Mossberg did........
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Re: Big Green fights back
« Reply #106 on: August 19, 2007, 12:15:14 PM »
god you spent more on your scope than gun. it sounds like a nice setup
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Re: Big Green fights back
« Reply #107 on: August 20, 2007, 12:16:12 PM »
Quote from: T/CEncore1 on August 19, 2007, 12:15:14 PM
god you spent more on your scope than gun. it sounds like a nice setup

I had the scope laying around.   ;D

FWIW, I think spending more on the glass than the gun is a good idea much of the time.  It is my experience that my ability to discern the target at sunrise and sunset is often more of a factor in whether or not I even get a shot, let alone make it, when I'm out deer hunting.
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Re: Big Green fights back
« Reply #108 on: August 20, 2007, 04:32:37 PM »
man i still wish i had that setup.
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Re: Big Green fights back
« Reply #109 on: August 20, 2007, 10:30:14 PM »
Quote from: T/CEncore1 on August 20, 2007, 04:32:37 PM
man i still wish i had that setup.

Not that hard to do.  I have the same Vari-X III 3.5-10x on my Remington BDL .308 Win.  Picked the rifle and scope up separately, both used.
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Re: Big Green fights back
« Reply #110 on: August 21, 2007, 08:35:52 AM »
yeah. i know. i am going to shop around a little for a scope. i bought a new nikon 3-9x40 monarch for $200 at bass pro but still don't have a gun to put it on. i am going to look around before i buy it
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