Big Green fights back

[30-30man]

Naw, I was redirected to a customer service rep.  I think Greybeard is going to try for me and I greatly appreciate any help that he is  willing to do for me with Remington.  I wanted to use the gun for several years but couldn't.  I hope I can get another barrel for it even if I have to pay for it.

[Graybeard]

OK I've just gotten off the phone with Remington. I spoke with a nice lady named Katie. I explained to her my shotgun had been bought several years ago and that it has been sitting back in the closet unfired and just now been taken out to shoot. Not particular unusual for me as I have at least 12-15 guns still sitting around unfired. (I really do) So one setting around a few years unfired isn't abnormal for me.

She asked the defect and I explained it to her as best as I understood it from you. She asked for SN and said it was made in '89 I believe. She indicated warranty is normally only two years but if circumstances are abnormal which this sounded like they can and most often do extend that. Since it is clearly a manufacturing defect she said she would expect it to be covered.

She said to box up barrel only and give them a letter inside explaining all of what I had explained to her and to reference her name. I suggest you do this as if it were YOU not me on the phone with her today. She did not ask for a name and I'm sure did not record my phone number either. I just gave her the details as if I were you. Return the barrel only to Remington at the Illion address for evaluation and repair.

Now if it were mine that's exactly what I'd do and I'd fully expect that I'd have a new barrel returned to me. You can of course do what you wish to do. All I did was talk nice and explain the situation stating it as a factory manufacturing defect and that my neglect to shoot it for such a long time after buying it was the reason for such a late discovery of the defect. That is to my understanding of your situation truthful for you. It would no doubt be helpful if you send in the warranty card back then or at least with it now if it never got sent in. They do say that is not required however. I do it some times and not some times but I'd estimate I've sent them at least 100 warranty cards likely more. But as I said he had no clue who she was speaking with.

Ball is now in your court.

[30-30man]

Thanks Greybeard, I'll send it in with a letter and see what happens. 

[Coyote Hunter]

By the way, the 710 is no more a POS than some Savages, almost all Stevens Bolt Actions and Mossbergs Bolt Actions are.  Remington doesn't hold the POS Patent when it comes to press fitted barrels.

I'd still be interested to know which Savage/Stevens rifles you think are in the same POS class as the Remington 710.

Remington may not be the only company to use press-fit barrels, but as far as I know all of the Savage or Stevens center-fire rifles use threaded barrels with the barrel nut.  If you can point to a Savage or Stevens model that uses a press-fit barrel I'd be interested in that, too.

[MGMorden]

By the way, the 710 is no more a POS than some Savages, almost all Stevens Bolt Actions and Mossbergs Bolt Actions are.  Remington doesn't hold the POS Patent when it comes to press fitted barrels.

I'd still be interested to know which Savage/Stevens rifles you think are in the same POS class as the Remington 710.

Remington may not be the only company to use press-fit barrels, but as far as I know all of the Savage or Stevens center-fire rifles use threaded barrels with the barrel nut.  If you can point to a Savage or Stevens model that uses a press-fit barrel I'd be interested in that, too.

Out of curiousity, is there any other company that uses a press-fit barrel?  I thought Remington was the only company that had tried such a horrible idea (nothing against them as a company - I just think Remington makes a better shotgun that they do rifles, although I wouldn't be opposed to owning a 700 or older rifle - I'm not touching anything with a press-fit barrel).

[jvs]

I'd still be interested to know which Savage/Stevens rifles you think are in the same POS class as the Remington 710.

Remington may not be the only company to use press-fit barrels, but as far as I know all of the Savage or Stevens center-fire rifles use threaded barrels with the barrel nut.  If you can point to a Savage or Stevens model that uses a press-fit barrel I'd be interested in that, too.

Your constant goading won't work.  You seem to want to provoke a debate about why I don't like Savage, Mossberg, Stevens, even though the Barrel Nut and that slapped together bolt is enough reason to be deemd a POS for me.   The Savage of today is nothing like the Savage of years gone by, especially since they emerged from Bankruptcy, brought back the Stevens line and merged with Mossberg.  Are they accurate? Yup.  Are they inexpensive?  Yup.  But they are also cheap.  But now they are carrying a higher price tag, and for no reason.

My personal taste doesn't include Savage, Stevens or Mossberg. 

If that isn't good enough for you, you can start your own topic and goad others.  The topic here is about competition from Remington.

[30-30man]

I think everything has gone up to be fair.  I know most Marlin 336s in 30-30 could be had all day long for $250 or so at any of the big box stores just five or ten years ago. The Mossberg rifle has also seen an increase along with Remingtons.  China is driving up all metal prices so we pay more.  Try buying any copper wiring lately, it is three times what it was five years ago.

 Remington has and still makes very good rifles and shotguns. I have been a Remingtonn basher but most of my anger was with the repair center I was dealing with.  I see it now thanks to Greybeard. The old goat that runs the place was just trying to make more money on a repair, so most of my Remingtons were never fixed under warranty. I traded most of them but have managed to keep a few 870s.  Am I a lover of Remington now, no. The problem that I have had and many others has been with there lower priced models.  The quality is just not there but neither are many other makes.  I guess it all boils down to expecting more from Remington in quality and more from my repair center with honesty.  I have bought my share of Remingtons and had my share of problems.  Most of them have been the lower priced models but not all.     I would have no problem buying any Remington rifle but not the 710 or any deviation of the design. If deciding on a Mossberg, Stevens, or even a Remington 710, you have to consider the track record of any make.  Remington has made many rifles for only a little while, then discontined them leaving the owners out in the cold.  The Mossberg is new, although I read the design was very simular to a Savage/Howa and still I am on the fence with it.  The Stevens or Savage 110 has been made for years and is the only reason Savage managed to stay afloat.  If I were in the market for a intro rifle and it looks that way, I can't say a Remington would be my choice as there are just better choices elsewhere with a better record.

Does that mean anyone that buys a Remington 710 will be reduced to throwing it at a deer this season? No, many are happy with it and are glad they bought it.  They will certainly kill many deer with it and I never met a deer that asked what kind of rifle was used or if it had pressed or threaded barrels when it died.  Heck many deer are killed with old SKS surplus every year in my county that can't hit a pie plate at 50 yards.

I once bought a Winchester 1400 Ranger that many people said was a complete hunk of crapola but it has been the best dove gun for me, and I wouldn't trade it for anything. I guess it boils down to opinions and preferences.  Buy what you like and spend what you can afford. You don't need a $1000 gun to get in the sport.  To be honest most of my deer have been harvested with an old inherited Remingtonn 742 with a cheap Bushnell scope.  I almost cried when it broke, so Remington is not all bad.

[Graybeard]

You'd be hard pressed to find a more loyal Remington fan on here than me.  When it comes to bolt action rifles, pump or semiauto shotguns or centerfire rifles my search generally begins and ends at the Big Green. But I have to admit there is no way a 710 will come home with me, not now not ever. The same goes for that excuse they now have for a .22 RF semiauto, that thing ain't coming home with me. I love my old Remington model 66 and will hold onto it and would even buy a new one if they were offered but not that thing they are passing off for a rimfire now.

I'd sooner not own a bolt action than to have the Stevens/Mossberg as well. I won't say NEVER on a newer Savage but the chances are rarely slim one would come home with me. If they'd rework that ugly bolt so it doesn't hurt my eyes to look at it then the chances would improve I think. 

[jvs]

30-30man,

      I'd be interested in knowing if you bought all of those Remingtons that you had problems with at one place, or did you just get the Lemons no matter where you bought them?

I don't know of anyone with your luck when it comes to buying Remingtons.  I might hear about a bad one now and then, or when Remington had problems with accidental discharges due to a safety issue back in the 80's on some models.   Even I didn't buy Remingtons until the late 90's because I thought their design and quality control stank, and all because of that safety issue.  Right now I hear about Remingtons leaving the factory with the bore out of center.  It's almost laughable.

But seeing what else is out there that is produced, I have decided that Remington is a brand to at least check out before buying.

[30-30man]

Some I inherited and some I bought out right.  The problems I've had with Remingtons were:
742-bolt locked up: inherited
7400-jammed bought
1100-jammed inherited
Viper-mag kept falling out-bought
597-hangs up-bought
870-factory defect currently in route to Remington

I own only 2 870's now.  I traded all the others for an old field grade LC smith.  It matched  an Ah fox Sterlingworth that I inherited.  I just love those old doubles.  I've owned many guns and I am finally able to buy most of what I want.  Why didn't I stop sooner that is what my brother has asked me for years when it came to Remington.  Well, they felt so good when mounted to my shoulder.  I have a boat that is alot like some of Remingtons I've owned.  It looks good on a trailer but as soon as you put it into a lake it lets you down.  I only take it as far as I am willing to paddle.

[Graybeard]

ALL semiautos of all types jam from time to time. Usually a good cleaning and lube is all that's required to cure that unless it was previously abused in which case replacement parts can be required. That's not the fault of the gun design or manufacturer it's just the nature of the beast.

The locked up 742 was almost certainly either rust in the gas area of the action or just plain dirty and not properly lubed. Yeah they'll lock up every time like that. Not the fault fo the gun but of lack of maintenance. Been there done that and seen what causes it. Hell I had one I failed to properly clean after being out in the rain and that sucker locked up tight and it was nothing but rust from neglect. MINE.

I'm not that familiar with the Viper so can't address that one but the 597 does NOT impress me. I personally would not own one. That to me is NOT one of Remington's better ideas.

Most of those listed sound like operator error to me. Not all mind you but most.

[Coyote Hunter]

...
By the way, the 710 is no more a POS than some Savages, almost all Stevens Bolt Actions and Mossbergs Bolt Actions are.  Remington doesn't hold the POS Patent when it comes to press fitted barrels.
...

I'd still be interested to know which Savage/Stevens rifles you think are in the same POS class as the Remington 710.

Remington may not be the only company to use press-fit barrels, but as far as I know all of the Savage or Stevens center-fire rifles use threaded barrels with the barrel nut.  If you can point to a Savage or Stevens model that uses a press-fit barrel I'd be interested in that, too.

Your constant goading won't work.  You seem to want to provoke a debate about why I don't like Savage, Mossberg, Stevens, even though the Barrel Nut and that slapped together bolt is enough reason to be deemd a POS for me.   The Savage of today is nothing like the Savage of years gone by, especially since they emerged from Bankruptcy, brought back the Stevens line and merged with Mossberg.  Are they accurate? Yup.  Are they inexpensive?  Yup.  But they are also cheap.  But now they are carrying a higher price tag, and for no reason.

My personal taste doesn't include Savage, Stevens or Mossberg. 

If that isn't good enough for you, you can start your own topic and goad others.  The topic here is about competition from Remington.

This thread may be about Remington but you’re the one that claimed the Remington “is no more a POS than some Savages, almost all Stevens Bolt Actions”.  I’m just asking for a little clarification.

Continue to duck the issue and refuse to answer the question as to which Savage/Stevens rifles you were referring to and people will draw the same conclusion I have – you made statements you can’t back up.  The buying public pretty well ran away from the Remington 710 but gives the Savage rifles pretty decent marks and buys quite a few of them.

The Savage barrel assembly method and the floating bolt head are both features often credited with providing the Savage Rifles with the outstanding accuracy they are known for.  Call that POS if you want, but the buying public seems to appreciate the value of Savage and Stevens rifles.

[Mac11700]

By the way, the 710 is no more a POS than some Savages, almost all Stevens Bolt Actions and Mossbergs Bolt Actions are.  Remington doesn't hold the POS Patent when it comes to press fitted barrels.

I'd still be interested to know which Savage/Stevens rifles you think are in the same POS class as the Remington 710.

Remington may not be the only company to use press-fit barrels, but as far as I know all of the Savage or Stevens center-fire rifles use threaded barrels with the barrel nut.  If you can point to a Savage or Stevens model that uses a press-fit barrel I'd be interested in that, too.

Truth be told...even though I recently bought (and traded) my Savage 10FP...it was a ok gun...just not on par with the model 700 Remington's or model 7's...or my Winchester mod 70's...or my Weatherby Vanguard's...It is better than the 710's no doubt about it...but the Stevens...I handled 13 of them just a few weeks ago...Every one of them had major flaws...and IMHO...they aren't worth buying...I would take a used Savage over one of the new ones any day...To me...the bad thing about all the Savages is...you can dress them up...do all the bedding on them...put them in a good stock...and you can tie up a lot of money in them...just as easily as any of the rest...but... you best plan on keeping them...cause you'll never get your money out of it...To me that is a pain...but around here ...that is just the way it is...For an entry bolt gun though...they are priced very good and will allow a bunch of people to get them...I looked at 2 of the 710's...nope...they should be discontinued as well...They just don't look or feel good to me at all...I've found that with a good Remington,Winchester,Weatherby...your buying a gun that will hold most of their value and even appreciate depending on it's shape and what configuration it is in....Around here they do anyway...

Mac

[PartsMan]

My wife's cousin has a 710 in 270.
He has shot two nice bucks with it and is very happy.
Probably not two boxes through it yet.
May last him a decade.
For him it is a tool he uses one week a year.
If you are looking for a nice rifle to shoot a lot then it is not for you.

[30-06man]

The mossburg is a weatherby vanguard. mossburg doesn't make it!!!!!! and its a good gun. now remington makes a couple of cheap guns or imports them with their name on it. all the spr rifles and shotguns are made in russia by some company i forget the name, the geniuses muzzleloader imported from spain made my traditions firearms, the 710/770 made by remington, and thats it. now these guns are made for the hunter who dosen't want to spend $800 on a good gun. they are all cheap made and cheap sold. made for the youth begging hunter or someone wanting something cheap. if you don't like it DON'T BUY IT!! DON'T LOOK AT IT. All other remingtons like the 870 sps and wingmaster, model 700, 11/87 1100, g3, model 7, and many more are all great guns and compeat with guns like the a bolt. they may be old tecn but its tired and proven. why would you change a gun that is simple like the model 700 or 870 why? you wouldn't it would be stupid. its as good as rugers brownings and bretta. its all lightyears a head of the savage or even Thompson Center and H&R NEF Browning it still works. you don't need $1000 in a gun you can kill game with a ROCK its stupid. those guns are for the value hunter who wants little money tied up in it. the less you have in a gun the less you LOSE! Now i do shoot expensive guns like t/c the model 700 with expencive nikon and leupold optics. if it came down between being broke i would get rid of my guns and if i had to hunt for food i would get the model 770 or the mossburg or savage. they are all OK guns. there is no purpose of putting down a company like remington for that or a hunter that uses that. Like i said use what i like if i needed a cheap gun well thats what i would have. Remington  Has flaws like any other gun company and they have improved a great deal and our making good guns. so if you don't like it don't say bad stuff about it!! i am about as mad as i can be

[30-06man]

What i read again it seems that all of you having trouble never inspect a gun before you buy it. THAT IS DOWNRIGHT INGNORANT! Its like going to buy shoes and not looking what size of tring them on. WHAT TYPE OF IDIOT DOES THAT! I have been known to take a gun apart before buying it. I shop for my guns. I don't go to a gun store and see something and go pay for it and not open it and look at it for a extended amount of time. If you don't inspect it then ITS YOUR OWN FAULT FOR BUYING A LEMON! IF YOU WOULD WATCH WHAT YOU WERE BUYING THEN YOU WOULDN'T HAVE GOT BITTEN! ITS LIKE GOING AND BUYING A GUN JUST FOR THE HECK OF IT AND PUTTING IT IN YOUR GUN CASE AND 20YRS LATER TAKING IT OUT AND YOU FORGOT IT AND THEN YOU REALIZE ITS MESSED UP!! HOW PATHETIC. I WOULDN'T BLAME REMINGTON FOR TELLING YOU TO PAY FOR IT I MEAN COME ON WHY WOULD YOU GO BUY IT FORGET ABOUT IT AND NOT EVER LOOKED AT IT BUT WHEN IT WAS TAKEN OFF THE SHELF AND PAID FOR. ITS LIKE NOT LOOKING AT A CAR AND INSPECTING IT BEFORE BUYING IT! THEN YOU GO BACK 20 YEARS LATER AND SAY YOU HAD A PROBLEM WITH IT. NO  YOU SHOULD HAVE LOOKED IT OVER BEFORE BUYING IT. AND SHOULDN'T HAVE BOUGHT IT. ITS BEING LAZY. I CAN SEE THAT REMINGTON WAS BEING LAZY AND PUTTING IT OUT IF THEY KNEW WHAT WAS WRONG WITH IT. BUT SOME TIMES THINGS HAPPEN AND A LEMON GETS THROUGH. AND AS GRAYBEARD SAID IF YOU DON'T TAKE CARE OF A GUN THEN ITS GOING TO TEAR UP. ITS LIKE DRIVING A CAR AND NOT HAVING ANY MAINTENANCE ON IT SOMETHING IS GOING TO GO WRONG. I AM PISSED OFF AT THE STUPIDITY FROM SOME PEOPLE. I MEAN SPEND THE EXTRA TIME BEFORE BUYING SO YOU DON'T MESS UP THEN INSPECT IT AGAIN AFTER YOU GOT IT! THEN SPEND THE TIME AND LITTLE MONEY ON IT TO HAVE IT CLEANED AND MAINTAINED! THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR YOUR AND IF REMINGTON'S PROBLEMS. BUT MOST OF THE TIME ITS THE OWNER WHO TINKERS OR IS JUST PLAIN LAZY FAULT! THERE IS ALWAYS LEMONS THAT GO THROUGH THE LINES!

AND IF A CHEAPER GUN HELPS HUNTING GET MORE PEOPLE IN IT THEN GOOD. THAT'S WHAT THEIR MADE FOR THE OCCASIONAL OR BEGGING HUNTER NOT THE HARDCORE HUNTER. THAT'S WHY WE SPEND MORE ON GUNS WHEN WE HAVE THE EXPERIENCE. NOBODY CAN TELL ME THEY DIDN'T START OFF HUNTING WITH A EXPENSIVE GUN. MAJORITY USED SOMETHING CHEAP THE UPGRADED! THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE FOR. SO QUIT BASHING REMINGTON FOR ISSUES LIKE THIS!

[30-30man]

If one doesn't like sharing experiences, don't read.  As to your anger, I have one question....Why are you reading/posting if you only want to hear from those with the same experiences as yours?  My opinions are mine alone, I never asked anyone to agree nor do I care if they do.  I enjoy reading the different opinions, but I never get angry or call anyone an idiot.  People who get that irate over a difference of experinces need to relocate to Cuba.  If my experiences with Remington have upset anyone, I could care less.  What is pathetic is those people who only want to hear an echo. 

[30-06man]

If one doesn't like sharing experiences, don't read. 

I agree with you there. But  I don't want to here from people with the same experiences as mine its not a perfect world not all guns are going to be right. What i don't like hearing is all the people who had bad experiences saying that all remingtons or any othergunmanufacturerr is bad. If i wanted to here only good things i would have started a topic called for only good expreiences with so and sogunmanufacturerr. What was mad about is the way i have been hearing here and other places about people buying guns and having bad experiences from obviouss things. This just set it over. I think what you did taking your nephews son hunting to spend time with him was great. Now only if more adults would do that. I am sorry to you as my post wasmainly towards you. I was just set over from other people having the same problem. sorry

I finally recognized the problem when I cleaned out some of my collection for a field grade LC Smith.  I saved the gun because of  my nephew passing and leaving a 12 year-old son behind.  I thought that would give me an excuse to spend some time with him during our dove shoots.  I'll probably just buy another barrel or another gun for him it's no big deal really.  A barrel for the 870 would cost about the same as a new cheap pump anyway.  It's probably better if I parted with it in trade and spared all of you with my complaints.

[30-06man]

its suppose to say other gun manufactures and it also suppose to say so and so gun manufactures somehow it messed up. at the bottom it was suppose to say mainly towards you

[Coyote Hunter]

T... the 710/770 made by remington, and thats it. now these guns are made for the hunter who dosen't want to spend $800 on a good gun. they are all cheap made and cheap sold.

No disagreement there.  As I pointed out earlier, though, a person can pick up a good used gun for the same money as a new 710 – and be much better off.

made for the youth begging hunter or someone wanting something cheap.

Again, not much to disagree with.  They are made for the person who buys on price.  The old saw about ‘you get what you pay for’ certainly holds true with the Remington 710.

if you don't like it DON'T BUY IT!! DON'T LOOK AT IT.

Now how are you going to know whether or not you like it or not if you don’t look at it?

By the way, a lot of folks have looked and decided NOT to buy.

All other remingtons like the 870 sps and wingmaster, model 700, 11/87 1100, g3, model 7, and many more are all great guns and compeat with guns like the a bolt. they may be old tecn but its tired and proven. why would you change a gun that is simple like the model 700 or 870 why? you wouldn't it would be stupid. its as good as rugers brownings and bretta. its all lightyears a head of the savage or even Thompson Center and H&R NEF Browning it still works.

Some Remington 700s may be better than some of the Savage offerings, but I don’t think that is necessarily true in all cases.  It certainly isn’t true that the Remington is “lightyears” ahead of the Savage rifles.  Cosmetics are only a minor issue to me.

... Remington  Has flaws like any other gun company and they have improved a great deal and our making good guns. so if you don't like it don't say bad stuff about it!!

Remington is indeed making pretty good guns – in some cases.  Their Mauser-type rifles have failed to impress me but they are better than the 710s by a considerable margin.  Of course they are merely importing the Mauser-type rifles. 

When you say “if you don't like it don't say bad stuff about it!!” are you suggesting that people not speak the truth or their minds about the 710s?  Their best feature is their price, but I still consider them over-priced junk.

i am about as mad as i can be

Be as mad as you want.  Remington made a lot of bad decisions and the 710 was one of them.  They 770 isn’t any better.  Perhaps the new management will discover the value of quality again.

[30-06man]

yeah they have made some bad decisisons. i just went off after having constant people telling me i shouldn't own Remington and telling me my Remington's and other guns aren't worth it. and i what i ment about if you don't like it don't look at it i ment well i don't know what i ment. i wouldn't buy that gun unless i had to. and i didn't know that they was under new management. they could improve on the trigger on all their guns and the extractors. and yes all gun makers make bad decisons. Don't get me wrong i like reading other peoples opions it helps in making decisions on what guns to buy and all types of stuff. if i wanted it all one way i wouldn't have joined graybeard outdoors. ohh yeah the savage trigger is much better than remingtons. i really don't care about looks black synthitic and blued barrel is fine by me.

[Mac11700]

ohh yeah the savage trigger is much better than remingtons.

Perhaps to you...but being a former Savage owner...I can most assuredly tell you they don't hold a candle to a properly tuned Model 700 trigger...No 2pc trigger can...Sure...they can break real light...I know...mine went down to 1/2lb. but to me...it don't feel like a glass rod breaking when I have to depress and additional safety in the trigger...They may be great to a-lot of people..but to me they aren't...The only resistance I want to feel on my finger is the actual trigger...nothing more..

Mac

[30-06man]

i am thinking about putting a after marker trigger on my 700. i hate the on i got. or the next remington w mark pro trigger at about 2 1/2 or 3 is what i want. i am thinking about taking the vx1 scope off and putting a monarch on it

[30-30man]

While I'll admit I was hot headed at one time in my life, I'll let that one slide. It's OK, you are not the only one who calls me an idiot.  My wife thought the same when I told her I was retiring  and entering the poultry business. As for my habit of storing things, I can honestly say I don't have to work next week, or the next or the next or even the next. $$$$$(love them turkeys)  I guess I am an idiot.

Time will slip up on you the older you get and the more possessions you have.  I  have been notorious for buying things on a whim and storing them.  The gun was a last minute purchase when the store was going out of business/relocating, I can't remember.  Anyway, I have tried for the last couple of years to get in taken care of but was stopped cold by my repair center wanting to sell me another barrel.  Well I thought a 12ga 870 express with youth stocks was not worth the price of a barrel, I'll just buy a new 20 ga anyway. As far as what Remington owes me, it is nothing, I'll agree.  If I thought the 870 was worthless, well I would have traded it in too. 

[30-06man]

that 20GA 870 express is the only gun i ever had troubles with it kept jamming so i sent it back and they fixed whatever it was but i went and traded for a t/c barrel. and i am in the chicken business. being a older gun i would get the barrel and the stocks just because it was one of the older ones made back when Remington was the best there was

[Wayne123]

T/CEncore1, your posts give me a headache.

[30-06man]

so... if you don't like it don't read it. like what 30-30 man told me

If one doesn't like sharing experiences,

[jvs]

Imagine that.....

Two guys in GBO in the Poultry Business....

Now I know who to write to when I want a big bird....


Wait a minute....

Are either of you guys Frank Perdue ?  He claimed one time to have the birds with the biggest breasts in the business.

[Graybeard]

Yup Guys it REALLY IS THAT SIMPLE. If you read several posts by someone and really don't like their posts the STOP READING THEIR POSTS. I've actully done this personally with several of our GBO members. In my case it really was stop reading their posts and let the moderators of those forums deal with them or just end their membership which generally wasn't justified just because their posts irked me when I read them.

I suggest you do the same and stop bitching about the posts of others. Just don't read them.

[30-06man]

yeah. i am going to start doing that more often.

Imagine that.....

Two guys in GBO in the Poultry Business....

Now I know who to write to when I want a big bird....


Wait a minute....

Are either of you guys Frank Perdue ?  He claimed one time to have the birds with the biggest breasts in the business.

nope i ain't him. my chickens are small so i don't have any big ones. prob more of us on here