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« on: May 06, 2003, 06:59:02 PM »
The time is August, 1952. I`m 7 years old and live in rural Oklahoma. Nearest town, 5 miles. I could go to the theater for 10 cents matinee. Pop is 5cents. Lotta buger is 25 cents. In case you guys dont have one near you, they make hugh dilicious hamburgers, Only they are 2.50 now.
   The house I was raised in was  a small 5 room house, with 2 bedrooms, one bath room and 2 younger brothers and a twin sister.  Three boys and a girl, boy was she outnumbered. Dad was a railroader and worked very hard to feed us. His paycheck didn`t go that far, so we had a hugh corn field that we harvested the corn and sold for extra money. besides the fishing and hunting to subsidise the dinner table. It was a hard life but everbody had it hard. And looking back, it molded me into  the man that I`am today.
    Like I was saying,  it was very rural where I lived and there were nightly coyotes and an occasional wolf howling as close as our bedroom windows, that sent chills up your spine, but at the sametime was reasurring that you were alive in a wonderful time. There was an old creek that flowed past the bedroom window about 50 yards to the south of the house, that wandered around and emptied into the Arkansas river 2 miles away. There was an hugh old barn, out back of the house about 50 yards to the east, and at night it gave a ghostly appearance in the moon light, with its old weathered oak wood and rusty old tin roof. The side of the barn was half covered with vines of  many different varities . There was a big hay window in the upper part that when I got older, tossed many a bale of hay up in it for feed for the cattle come winter.
     It was a peaceful existence till one night when my grandmother came to spend the weekend with us.The third night she was with us, at 23:00 hrs, while my brothers and grand ma slept soundly and the Big Picture show was playing on T.V. in the living room, I lay wide awake on my bed listening to grandma snore loudly. After telling her to roll over three or four times, I noticed a large (maybe 7 foot tall) creature covered with brown hair looking in the window. He had his fore arms resting on the window sill and was staring at grandma. I jerked the covers over my head and played dead all the while praying for grandma.
   I will never forget the fear that gripped me that night. I knew I had to get up and go get help for grandma`s sake so I threw off the covers (which seemed like eternity, to get the courage), and as I starterd to run into the living room and tell dad, I noticed that the creature had turned and was walking away toward the creek. He was a very broad across the back and extremely muscular and covered with slick brown hair. Nothing in my young 7 year old mind could phantom what type of creature this was, except it being a wild man.I raced to the living room and told dad. He grabbed his old single shot, brake open shotgun and his old railroad lantern and went out to investigate. That was only after much crying that I was telling the truth and really did see something wild and please save grandma. They thought I was lying and was just trying to stay up and watch the big picture. ( the big picture, was a war movie documentry that came on everynight). Anyhow dad going out to investigate, was scary in itself and I thought that there was no way that dad could protect himself with that old shotgun, against a wild man that he didn`t believe that I saw.
Dad finally came back inside and said there was nothing there and I was probably dreaming, but I kew that I wasn`t , I was wide awake at the time that this happened. I never did see the creature again after that.
     I did have reocurring night mares about the old barn however. My dreams were always the same, I was going out to feed the cattle, as I was climbing the ladder to get in the loft, a hugh hairy black arm would reach through the opening, and try to grab me. I made it a point to always get my chores done before the sun started to set. I never went near that barn at night, and also the creek.
    Now the next morning we kids were going to leave the house to go catch the school bus at the road. Upon leaving the house, I looked at the window where the wild man was standing, and behold all of mom`s flowers were trampled down. After I pointed that out to my mom and dad, they never doubted me again and we had the shotgun ready all the time.
    Mom and dad have long left this earth,  none of us kids live there anymore. We sold the farm long ago. I now live 80 miles away (still in the country),  and even now when I hear the coyotes howl out here I think of the adventures of that night.
This is a true story so help me God.
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« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2003, 03:43:54 AM »
Ya think it may have been the same thing from your first story ?
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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2003, 05:17:52 AM »
hello Dan Mich Trapper;
    No this story about the hairy man looking through the window at grandma. happened when I was a little boy, and where I live now is 80 miles from that story. The only similarities, is both stories happened in the rural country, both involved unknown animals,. These two stories that you are referring to happened at different times and different locations.
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« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2003, 11:02:54 AM »
Bullet Maker, I had one of these things walk up on me and my girlfriend one night while we were sitting in my car talking.  It was within 6 feet of me, the moon was full and very bright, and I got a very good look at it.  

The area of Oklahoma you grew up in is famous for sightings.  

Funny thing is that people never believe you saw one of these things. It's frustrating!

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« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2003, 11:29:48 AM »
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Bullet Maker, I had one of these things walk up on me and my girlfriend one night while we were sitting in my car talking.  It was within 6 feet of me, the moon was full and very bright, and I got a very good look at it.  

The area of Oklahoma you grew up in is famous for sightings.  

Funny thing is that people never believe you saw one of these things. It's frustrating!

   Hello Fafhrd,
 Sounds like you have an interesting story yourself. Where did this happen at, or what state? How would you describe it? Did you leave immediately? I bet your girlfriend wont ever forget that date. LOL :eek:  A lot of people dont believe us until they see one theirself, thats for sure.
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« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2003, 04:29:37 PM »
In was in East Texas, near the Neches River bottoms.  I was in High School then, and my girlfriend and I were driving home to her house, after a date, when we stopped alongside a new road that had been opened through the woods to expand her neighborhood.  The road bed was white sand, and the moon was full and very bright.  

After we had talked for awhile, I got a terrible feeling and turned to look out my car window. About 6 feet away, a huge man-shaped creature was hunched down staring at me.  It's shoulders were about 3 feet wide, and although it was squatting down, it's head was as high as the roof of my car.  The head sloped into its shoulders without any neck at all.  It was covered in dark hair and had dark skin.  Now I know this will be hard to believe, but it's eyes were glowing a pale white (maybe reflecting off my white car).  It wasn't just the pupils that were shining, but the entire eye.  

I turned around and saw that my girlfriend was staring at it, with her jaw dropped. When her eyes met mine, she broke down screaming.  I started the car and drove off.  

I dropped her at her parents and met up with some friends to go back and look for 'the monster'.  One of these friends had seen one years before.  He had claimed that it was a "werewolf" - we hadn't heard of Bigfoot in those days (I hate to admit that I had laughed at his story).  We heard strange noises, but saw nothing.

The next two days, we got our rifles and searched all through the woods.  We found strange tracks and three cattle carcasses, but no monster.  At sunset of the last day, however, after all but one of my friends had given up the serach, a buddy of mine and I were leaving the woods to get back to our cars.  As I stepped onto the road, I felt that feeling again, turned around and saw it following us through the woods, about 40 yards away.  Those woods were tall pines, with an undergrowth of yaupon.  Yaupon grows about 7 feet high, and the tops of the yaupon came about to its shoulders.  It was swaying from side to side, staring at us.  

We ran to our cars and drove away.  I always wonder why I didn't stay and observe it, but it was a very scary creature.  I wouldn't have shot that thing with a Barrett .50 caliber, for fear of just wounding it!

That's my story, and I swear that it's true in every detail.

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« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2003, 03:18:45 AM »
Hi Fafhrd;
  What a wonderful story that you related. You had a closer encounter than I ever had. You was able to describe him as exactly as I saw him from a distance. My closest had been about 20 feet, for a juvenile, to 75 yards for an adult.  I bet that ruined you romantic planned evening haha.
   I had a similar incidence happen when I was home from the service, I had a sweet little thing out in my car down a country road and we were starting to get passionate, when I saw a tall creature of some type walking towards us in the moon light. Needless to say, I couldnt tell if it was human or creature, the way it was stooped over and broad shoulders I figured it was the latter. We hurried home, and I never got to second base with her after that, but we were good friends forever after that. Creature ruined my sex life that night LOL.
   Anyhow that was a great story, you have. Looking back, if you had the firepower with you and a couple of other guys, dont you whish it would happen again? I mean it walk up on you car again and you get to observe it that close and just see if it would continue to stare at you, or if it would become violet. If the latter happened, you all could whip out your guns and go to blasting. So far My encounters have been of the non violet type, course he always, sneeks away or roar`s like hell to scare the crap out of us. By us, I`m referring to 3 other guy`s that we have taken on ourself`s to prove he exist. We got game camer`s scattered around on the property, and have a couple of weird shots, one of which has him pretty good, but its not good enough.
   Thanks for your story, I know a lot of other readers will enjoy it. By the way, what ever happened to your date that night you saw the creature? She get married, you still friends?
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« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2003, 04:21:08 AM »
Fafhrd,

You didn't see anything strange that night, that was bullet makers grandma's boyfriend still out looking for her... :roll:  Just kidding bullet, your grandma musta been a good looker to have a hairy man checking her out through the window :eek: On a more serious side, a friend of mine was out shooting rabbits at the base of South Mtn. This area is on the very out skirts of Phx. Az. It was late in the day just as the sun was going down, he was heading back to his truck and saw a large hairy creature walking up a wash. Hes not sure if the creature saw him but my friend stood there and watched it head up the mtn. till it went out of sight.
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« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2003, 07:14:54 AM »
Hi Dezertyoke :-D
   Actually, grandma, was 300 lbs, short and a lot of cherokee indian. I think he had heard the snoring and when he did see here, probably thought of a hugh side of beef. :eek:
   Anyhow he turned and walked away, (thank God).
You said your friend was out shooting rabbits, when he saw bigfoot, I have a theory, that bigfoot comes to gunfire. He has equated gunfire with wounded game. Just a theory.
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« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2003, 11:11:57 PM »
Bullet Maker, it sounds like y'all see these things pretty often.  I have heard that this is the case in Eastern Oklahoma.   Down here in East Texas, they appear along the river bottoms, in the Big Thicket, north of Caddo Lake, and near the Sulphur River.  Sulphur River was where the famous Fouke, Arkansas, sighting happened.  They seem to be territorial, always appearing in the same locations.

To answer your question, I sometimes think that I would like to see one again to make sure I wasn't imagining things.  It's been so long ago that it doesn't seem real.  But I'd be very hesitant to shoot one.  I mean, the things are huge and MEAN looking.  If you just wounded it - well, I guess you'd be a missing hunter story in next Sunday's paper.

As for my girlfriend, she didn't do so well.  She lived in that area, and claimed to have seen it several times afterward.  In fact, she claimed it came and stared in her window, at night, a few times.  Like my other friends who saw one, she thought it was a werewolf.  She nearly had a nervous breakdown.  I never saw it again, or I would have shot the SOB!

By the way, the thing I saw does NOT look like the Bigfoot in the Patterson film.  The Patterson creature doesn't look as scary or as threatening.  These things in Texas are nasty!
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« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2003, 11:18:19 PM »
BTW, I switched my handle back to my usual, "Venator".  I couldn't get it to work last week when I first joined the discussion, so I used a temporary, "Fafhrd".
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« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2003, 02:44:13 AM »
Thanks Venator;
   Sounds like the ones down your way are a lot different looking than those up here. Yeah, I thought several time that I needed a bigger gun, I dont know how tenacious they are, but If there anything like a grizzly bear, well, I think I`d be in some heap of trouble. Thanks for you story.
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« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2003, 05:21:00 AM »
ol John's brother used to disapear for a few days at a time, think John has him kept better now, he does look somehting like what you guys describe.

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« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2003, 06:55:21 AM »
Oh, Ben, I was hoping that wouldn't get out, but looks like it's outta the bag now.

Yep, and he used to spend lots of time in those pits and woods up around Bulletmakers place. He could be found in the area most any time, night or day, and he's roamed that territory since he was just a pup.  

Most times when he's out for several days he doesn't eat right, and he's been known to do some drinkin when he gets untamed, and all that really works on his delicate digestive system, and he puts off some serious stink.

Since nobody seems to have noticed any stink, it might not a been my brother that was seen.
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« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2003, 01:07:22 PM »
I was 20 years old(in the Navy) & Bowhunting in the swamps in North Carolina with my best friend & a Navy Commander we worked for in a Wilderness area you had to report in & out of by phone.  My friend & I met on a small trail right at dark & about the same time saw someone leaning against a tree several yards from us on the edge of the swamp-at 1st we thought it was the Commander & yelled at him-when the Creature moved-we could see he was covered in long Grey hair & near 7 feet tall (very massive body)-my buddy was 6'3" & looked very small compared to him.  What ever it was calmly walked INTO the swamp & out of sight.  When we got to the truck our Commander friend was already there.  When we checked out of the hunting area we asked how many people hunted that week-we were told NO ONE had hunted it the entire season.  Maybe the locals knew something we didn't.  I firmly beleive in Bigfoots, no matter what anyone says.
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« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2003, 03:44:03 PM »
ahunter, did you get a good look at its face?  If so, can you describe?

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« Reply #16 on: June 08, 2003, 07:21:22 AM »
I live about 25, 30 minutes north of the NC/VA border up on the mountain. back in the 50's and 60's, we had a zoo in our small town(so small we didn't even have a wal mart). Actual animals did escape from the zoo. some of the older guys i know say they had seen baboons and such on different occasions. Almost everybody reported hearing strange creatures, but they were always brushed off as judt a zoo monkey or somethin'. At the foot of the mountain, about 25 minute from my house,a lot of people grew tobacco. my mom worked down there as a kid and some of the people she worked with actually saw "bigfoot". Most of the people reporting the sightings were a reliable source, and it wasnt a zoo monkey. A few years back, A buddy of mine and his friend were at Phillpotte Dam in Martinsville VA, yes the Nascar race town, going around the woods looking for an old Confederate soldier cemetary someone told them about. after finding it, they decided to head on back to their car. the area was very wooded, so they were walking in the area the state had cleared out for the powerlines. As they were walking down the hill, they heard something growl behind them. I SERIOUSLY BELIEVE THIS GUY WAS TELLIN THE TRUTH BECAUSE HE HAD TROUBLE TELLING IT , HE WAS GETTIN SCARED JUST TALKIN BOUT IT.when they turned around there was a gorilla lookin creature about a hundred yard up the hill.  he said it was hunched over, a dark brown, almost black hairy creature and BIG. it looked like a gorilla, but had arms and legs like a human. They turned and ran. About forty yard ahead they cold hear it chasing them. when they turned and stopped, it slowed to a walk and finallyt stopped. It just stared at them as they backed down the hill facing it. Eventually, it just turned and walked back into the woods. they never went back down there again.


Has anybody ever found Bigfoot tracks?
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« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2003, 04:24:04 AM »
Hello Armycar01 :D
  You had asked at the end of your post, (has anyone ever found any bigfoot tracks?) Yes I have and yes I have cast of one of them. It measures 16 inches, but 2 inches of it broke off the heel area of the cast, when I tried to dig up the cast, after it hardened. So that would have made the track 18 inches long.
    I had a trot line in a creek bed in the deep woods of public hunting,which had lots of fish there. One morning when I went to check out my trot line, thats when I saw the track. Auctually there were more than one that the same creature made as he walked the creek, but the one I cast was the best one. There were also knuckle tracks where he occasionaly went down on all four`s, but most of the tracks were showing he walked upright like a man. I tracks him for about a half mile through the creek bed, when the tracks when up the bank of the creek into some very thick brush and trees, and I lost the path. I continued the direction however through the overgrown forest , for about another 1/4 mile and got a very low gluttoral sounding growl. More of a rolling growl, that seemed to come from a very large animal, and very hugh lungs. That was about 20 to 30 yards west of me. Now the area has a wild hog population, so I cant swear it was bigfoot, but I`ve never heard a hog or anyother animal make a sound like that before. I retreated back towards where I had picked up the tracks to begin with to get out of there, when It, or something started clicking to rocks together, the sound rythm was CLICK---CLICK,CLICK,----CLICK. I continued on for another 40 yards retreating, when now there was new sounds, it went from rocks to tree knocking. It sounded like someone had pick up a large tree limb, and was wacking the side of a tree. the rythem was, WACK---WACK,WACK,WACK,----WACK, this was followed up by the rock knocking again.
    Once I got back to the starting point, of where I entered the woods and creek, the tree, and rock knocking stopped. Know I can`t tell you what was making those sounds, I`ve got a pretty good idea, and it ain`t cotton tail rabbits :eek: , Yes I still go down in the area, but I take my Browning A-5 shotgun loaded with 00 buck, insteat of my 444 Marlin, because of the tickness of the woods. (by the was, shotguns with 00 buck was my favorite in the jungles of Viet Nam.)
    If my wife will help me post the picture on this site and if anybody want`s to see it, I will post it. If I don`t hear from you-all about it, then I wont waste my time.
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« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2003, 04:15:36 AM »
Uh Fellas, I hate to fess up here but I have some ummm, 'relations' in some of the areas ya'll are talkin' about, but we don't talk about them at family reunions.  I think one of em went and became a Mormon missionary, but I'm not certain.  Mikey.

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« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2003, 05:36:57 AM »
:)  Hello Mikey
    I know exactly what you be talking about cause I think we all have some, somewhere in the family tree :-D
    I tell you what though, them Mormon kinfolks of yours sure do a good job of scarying the Jesus right into you, and you wind up doing some mighty good praying just to get out of there, before a long hairy arm reaches out to getcha :-D
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« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2003, 11:41:25 AM »
Yoooo...Hey bullet maker is your Grandma's boyfriends still trugging them back woods......  :eek:  :eek: How you been bm... I think we all have chased a few relatives down country a time or two. I just happen to be one that found my way back..........LOL :D
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« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2003, 01:39:36 AM »
Bullet Maker, please post those pictures.  I'd like to see them.
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« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2003, 04:50:17 AM »
:D Hi Venator;
   I ain`t forgot them, my wife is the one that knows how to post them and she said she would post them this evening. I`m completely ignorate of computors. I love them as far as surving, but when I screw things up, the wife has to correct it. :-D  so hencforth, I`m not allowed to mess with the computor, but to surf :oops:
but she promised me they will be on this evening.
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« Reply #23 on: June 15, 2003, 08:28:52 PM »
Ok guys you asked for it and here it is! :-D Two inches of the heel was broken off trying to dig the cast out of the ground.   :oops: The total length is 16" and it is 5" across
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« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2003, 04:44:53 AM »
Hey guys :D
   Heres the foot cast. Now the tracks were on the side of a creek where I fish, and the soil has a lot of clay in it, so it dont make for a very good looking cast. But it does show the foot and toes. Being an amatuer, Its the best I could do in clay soil. there were alot more tracks as I had posted in another story about this event, even some were knuckle prints where he went down on all fours, but this was the best of the lot. if you look real close, you can see dermal ridges, dermal ridges is the lines on the bottom of your foot. An ape has dermal ridges that are kind of diagonal, humans kink of circular, bigfoot has dermal ridges and the only unkown animal that has dermal ridges that run straight lines from toe to heel.
   Anyhow a lot of people dont believe in bigfoot until you present a body, (which we are trying to do), that is me and 3 of my die hard hunting buddies. We have seen him at night with night vision scopes, and know there are at least a family group, we have recording of them howling and hollering, but have not had a good shot to down one, as of yet.
   anyhow enjoy the picture.
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« Reply #25 on: June 16, 2003, 05:34:23 PM »
Why would you want to kill one? I think they should be left alone.
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« Reply #26 on: June 16, 2003, 05:47:12 PM »
Hi John :
    One will have to be killed, or harvested would be the correct political term, so that they can be identified and then put on the endangered species list. There is already enough sightings across parts of the U.S.A. from credible persons, and pictures, (such as the Patterson film, which was taken in northern california, of a female walking in a creek bed), but still the science comunity say they are fake and therefore  don`t exist.
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« Reply #27 on: June 16, 2003, 09:50:36 PM »
Don't get caught shooting one in B.C. as Sasquatch, are on the protected list already, and you could be up on charges if you shot one. Maybe you could tranqualise one?
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« Reply #28 on: June 17, 2003, 12:22:30 AM »
I disagree, and I also think if one were to be killed that who ever did the killing would be in some deep crap.

If you got em living up there, it doesn't make a tinkers damn what anyone else believes, and a good picture would make folks take notice. There's enough technology to tell an authentic photo from a fake.

Isn't the Patterson stuff all fake anyway? Didn't his family come out with the truth after his death? It all started as a joke and got out of hand, and they just went along with it.
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« Reply #29 on: June 17, 2003, 03:58:27 AM »
Hi John :D
    Auctually, the patterson film was proved to be authentic, from a high tech team, that was aired on one of the documentary channels about a month ago, I just happened to be watching the boob tube, when I noticed it comeing on. They proved that it was a real animal, or unknown species, from discecting the film, fram by fram and comparing it to computor graphics of know monkey`s with the way it walked and length of arms, stride of steeps, etc. How ever, there were a team of scientist that said it was fake up untill that last testing that proved it was the real thing.
there was some hair samples that were collected and it was proved to come from a primate that was similar to the gorilla and the oragatang, but different. Rather words an unknown species.
   John the one that says it was all a fake, was some old windbag that died this year and his family said it was fake, cause he was making foottrack, and telling people it was bigfoot. But like I was saying in an earlier post with my bigfoot cast picture, a real track will have the dermal ridges on the bottom of the feet.
    Also the Patterson film was done with two people the other guy with Patterson was a friend of his by the name of Bob Grimley. I mispelled the last name, but it was something like that. Now Patterson died and in his life span he got 14 million dollars off the royalts of that piece of film, rather words everytime that piece of film is shown, his heirs gets a check.
   Now poor old Bob Grimley never got a dime. On Bob`s death bed statement, he said it was an auctuall wild animal called bigfoot. Since then I read, and I dont know if its true, but Bob`s family took it to court and his heirs now get a royalty check now from the same film.
   I think I`d be  :twisted:  also if I was there when it happened and never got a cent from it. You see Bob was holding the horses and had a rifle aimed at the bigfoot in case it charged, while Patterson did the filming.
    As far as shooting one. I`d have no trouble, Okla does not have such a law, and pictures, even though are nice and all, they dont prove a thing without going through a lengthy process and years of it, like the Patterson film did. I did have the opertnative to shoot a young one, but could not do it. It looked to much like a kid. I let him go , we both stared at each other for about 45 seconds not 17 paces away, and he finally ran. I ain`t going to shoot no juvenile, but an adult is a different story. Just one is all, dont get your self all worked up. Just to prove they exist.
    Now remember this, when and if they do prove to the scientific community that they exist and they are then put on the endangered species list, it will make a lot of hunters uneasy about going to those tree stands before sunup :eek:
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