Author Topic: Tred Barta is SICK (Read 5526 times)

Aardvark · « **on:** December 29, 2006, 03:26:16 PM »

I just watched on OLN an episode that shows they must really be scraping the bottom of the barrel for something to entertain us...
It starts out showing Tred getting ready to come to my neck o' the woods to hunt wild hogs---WITH A KNIFE.
OK it is interesting to this point, he is training in the Hamptons in NY state where he lives, and it is going along as if he is going to singlehandedly approach a hog with a Bowie knife and get in a quick stab to the heart and move away, the hog dies..Cool,(actually I'm rooting for the hog)..
When he gets to the Herradura Ranch down here in South Texas, He is met by his guides and their hog dogs...The dogs corner the 50lb hog-(a real brute)- and two of the guys go over and hold on to the poor animal and Tred steps in and stabs the poor beast three times with this huge knife---WHAT A MAN---

---( PUKE)---

daddywpb · « **Reply #1 on:** December 29, 2006, 10:29:04 PM »

I saw that episode and it is sickening. Between the dogs and the guides that pig wasn't going anywhere, and it was small - wouldn't have been legal to kill here. My nine year old daughter could have walked up and stabbed that hog. The rest of his shows that I have seen are the same.

I have sent him emails asking if he was ever going to film a real hunt, and of course, never received an answer. You would think someone who talks as good a game as he does would have the guts to answer an email. I also wrote to OLN and gave them my opinion, for what that's worth. Best thing you can do is - don't watch the show.

targshooter · « **Reply #2 on:** December 30, 2006, 02:07:05 AM »

Too bad the production company let such trash get filmed and distributed. This is a black eye for all hunters and plays into the hands of the PETA types. Who is Tred Barta?

Zachary · « **Reply #3 on:** December 30, 2006, 03:12:57 AM »

I have never heard of him either. But from the sounds of it, he doesn't sound like much of a true hunter (or a real man).

Zachary

ratgunner · « **Reply #4 on:** December 30, 2006, 04:52:48 AM »

Tred has issues.He should take some of his [illgotten $:-\$ ?]money and spend it on a shrink.

GRIMJIM · « **Reply #5 on:** December 30, 2006, 05:37:18 AM »

I've some veru interesting Tred episodes. One in particular he hunts grizzly with a long bow. He uses only traditional archery equipment that if I'm not mistaken he makes himself. Usually a very respectful hunter, I'm surprised at this but I didn't see that show.

Cheesehead · « **Reply #6 on:** December 30, 2006, 05:46:25 AM »

I have seen the hog "stabbing" episode. Deeply disturbing.

Cheese

elmer · « **Reply #7 on:** December 30, 2006, 07:08:30 AM »

daddywpb,

Just curious, where are you at that set's a minimum size pig for hunting/killing? Wherever it is if you have hogs you will soon be overrun. Here in Texas we are so overrun that we are encouraged to kill them with any means short of explosives. They are officially considered the "fire ants of the game world".

Graybeard · « **Reply #8 on:** December 30, 2006, 08:25:25 AM »

I've never even heard of the guy and obviously haven't seen the episode. But there are folks who prefer to hunt hogs in that manner, in fact we have an advertiser here who either catches them live or they kill them with knife. Some folks seem to enjoy it that way and it's legal. The hog will usually die just as quickly and painlessly that way as from an arrow or bullet.

Not my personal cup of tea (hey I don't even drink tea)

but I have no problem with those who do enjoy it that way so long as it's legal where it's done and in Texas it is legal and accepted practice.

southtexasff · « **Reply #9 on:** December 30, 2006, 11:08:25 AM »

U all talk bad about a guy that gives the hogs a chance to fight and make a get away. But ya'll are the one that sit in a blind or all camoed out and shoot an animal that has no idea u are there and have your scope on him at 150 or 200 yards and dont even give him a fighting chance. talking about killing small hogs, those are the best eating. I wonder if u all even eat ya'lls game that u harvest. And the dogs dont go by the size of the they jsut find it and keep it bayed for u.

GRIMJIM · « **Reply #10 on:** December 30, 2006, 11:39:13 AM »

I find the fact that the two guides were holding onto the animal while he stabbed it disturbing not the use of as knife. I have seen sites that advertise knives, short spears for hog hunting. I don't have a problem with the weapon like I said just if you're going to hunt that way do it and don't have someone holding the animal.

GrassLakeRon · « **Reply #11 on:** December 30, 2006, 12:19:07 PM »

Shortly after he went to Bella Colla (sp) B.C. a local concern bought all the hunting permits so no more bears could be hunted in the same way. It was the same folks who did the film "Being Caribou". I would like to see him take on a Cape Buffalo with only a knife and no one holding it. I stopped watching him after 3 shows.

Ron

Cheesehead · « **Reply #12 on:** December 30, 2006, 01:02:05 PM »

At the beginning of the episode I thought it was going to be one on one and it seemed fair and potentially interesting, but two guys holding down a small pig while he stabbed away did not seem right. One on one with a large boar, Tred and his knife, I would buy a ticket for that.

Cheese

jpsmith1 · « **Reply #13 on:** December 30, 2006, 02:54:02 PM »

From what I'm seeing, that should be illegal. Really, nothing short or murder. This is exactly what the PETA people accuse us of on a daily basis. To do it is wrong, to videotape it and publish it is beyond belief.

The Sodbuster · « **Reply #14 on:** December 30, 2006, 04:12:31 PM »

I generally like Tred's show but the hog stabbing episode was disappointing. You're right. Didn't seem like any great feat to stab a hog that was being held by one or two guys and surrounded by dogs. Then again, if I was the guide, I wouldn't want to take a chance of my dogs getting stabbed.

wipartimer · « **Reply #15 on:** December 30, 2006, 04:32:40 PM »

Although my personal preference for hog hunting is to sit in a stand and shoot them over bait; I have hunted them with dogs and a knife too. Now I didn't see the episode and it sounds like this guy did a lousy job, but I'm telling you grabbing a wild animal with your bare hands and sliding your knife into its heart to give it a very quick,humane death is definately very sporting-when done right. My Dad Who I had the privilege to watch kill a boar with a knife for the first time (after dodging a 2 chrges) when he was 55 did see the show and even he said it looked terrible. So I guess we sportmen should be upset at the man, not the method. As far as size goes, small ones may not make good T.V. but they do make great meals.

SourMash · « **Reply #16 on:** December 30, 2006, 05:25:03 PM »

No reason to sugar coat everything for TV. As has been mentioned already, to each their own for the method of hunting they prefer. I'm sure our long gone ancestors hunted with knife, spear, rock or stick.

I see alot of negative talk about folks who have TV shows, when alot of the times, the ones complaining would like to have a show of their own.

I've done the knife and dog hunt, but my prefered method is archery or firearm. Not trying to argue on the matter, just speaking up for Tred and anyone else who hunts with a knife.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #17 on:** December 30, 2006, 05:38:57 PM »

I've hunted in Texas for feral hogs and they are considered a nuiscience. Most places with knife hunting are "kill what the dogs catch". They don't like releasing the hogs there dogs catch to both educate the hogs and have to endanger there dogs more than necessary. Lets not start using the PETA slogan about a "pig is a boy is a rat" thier sick way of making humans and animals as equals.

Nobody woulda said a hoot if that hog woulda been 400 lbs and had big old cutters on him.

UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL

SourMash · « **Reply #18 on:** December 30, 2006, 05:45:15 PM »

Quote from: billy_56081 on December 30, 2006, 05:38:57 PM

Nobody woulda said a hoot if that hog woulda been 400 lbs and had big old cutters on him.

UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL

Exactly.

uglydog · « **Reply #19 on:** December 30, 2006, 07:03:40 PM »

what a wonderful discussion. Hunting is not always glory and fame.

I am not defending nor criticizing but simply stating that when hunting with dogs, there are still multiple methods of taking the hog. What was not considered in the comments was the welfare of the dogs involved, and by guides taking hold of the hog provides some relief to the hard working dogs that were working their butts off for several hours before having to hold the hog while the guides and the camera crew got there to dispatch the hog. The hog may have been small but will still put up a good fight and has extreme jaw pressure even though it may not have had tusk to cut the dogs involved, the bites alone can cause serious injuries.
When guiding dog/hog hunts it is my personal preference to "leg" the hog before the hunter approaches the business end of a hog when at all possible, for the main reason it is safer for the hunter and the dogs. When taking one rear leg off the ground, You take majority of the hogs forward motion away and then step in and dispatch the hog. A hog making his last stand is a powerful dangerous animal. a Human is no match on two feet when dealing with an angry beast.
Hunting behind man's best friend and feeling the true nature, up close and personal and having little control over the situation, when you & dogs are totally committed is primitive, exciting and totaly consuming.
Alot of clients first knife hunts are similiar to Tred Barta's reaction to draw the knife early and jab with extreme force, because of the adrenaline pumping. They have visions of walking in stabbing a hog, but nothing can prepare them for heart pumping excitement they feel in the air as the approach the hog, a 150 lb animal appears 400lbs at that particualr moment. It is RAW. After some hard earned experience the dispatching becomes more calculated, and smoother. It may appear as "bad tv" to some, but the reality of it is not everything you see on the TV is the truth.

Turkey Run · « **Reply #20 on:** December 30, 2006, 07:27:36 PM »

Well I've never heard of Tred Barta before now,did'nt see the show but I have caught hogs with my dogs and if it was his first time his adriniline level was probably sky high.May be the reason he stabed it so many times?Some things just aren't made for TV., I suspect that's one, but before you big time hunters start slaming someone for something you know nothing about you might tag along with someones good dogs.If you don't have it in you to knife one, and thats ok,you could just grab him,throw it down, tie him with the rope you'll have with you. ;DThen you could take him home and shoot him with your 300 mag.,cause see the dogs are about 100 times more likely to be hit with a bullet at a bayed hog then cut with a knife.

Land_Owner · « **Reply #21 on:** December 30, 2006, 10:47:13 PM »

The lead-in title to Tred's show is "The Best and Worst of Tred Barta" (emhasis added).

Some of his stuff is great. This one (I didn't see) is apparently not so great.

Let it go. Watch something else. Better yet, go hunting and leave the TV off.

daddywpb · « **Reply #22 on:** December 31, 2006, 01:12:19 AM »

Quote from: elmer on December 30, 2006, 07:08:30 AM

daddywpb,

Just curious, where are you at that set's a minimum size pig for hunting/killing? Wherever it is if you have hogs you will soon be overrun. Here in Texas we are so overrun that we are encouraged to kill them with any means short of explosives. They are officially considered the "fire ants of the game world".

I live in south Florida. There are several wma's around here. The biggest one has a reg that requires a minimum shoulder height of 20 inches for a hog to be legal. There are also two that have no size or bag limits and the hogs are legal even during small game season. I don't have to agree with it, those are the regs, and around here you better know the regs well before you hunt on public land. Not knowing will not help you if you violate them.

I don't have a problem with hunting hogs with a knife. The are dozens of outfitters who offer that type of hunt and if it floats your boat, go for it. In my opinion, and only my opinion, having a guide holding the hogs feet on both ends and stretching it out and holding it for that clown to walk up and stab, with a squeal by the pig to go along with it, is unethical. And to show it on TV is absurd. It makes us all, as hunters, look like idiots and fuels the fire for PETA and any other anti hunting groups.

Swampman · « **Reply #23 on:** December 31, 2006, 01:18:14 AM »

It's a hog. In Florida it isn't even considered a wild animal. If it gets eaten, who cares how it was killed. Hogs are pest, and they aren't native animals in the US.

As far as I'm concerned if it's legal, it's ethical.

NONYA · « **Reply #24 on:** December 31, 2006, 01:27:59 AM »

This guy is suposed to be a sportsman and by this he represents the sport of hunting when they produce these shows for television,in my opinion te guy is a joke,hes says he is trying to"take hunting to a new level",notice how every dangerous endevor he undertaes he is backed up by another guy with a rifle?Im sure the show wont last they will run out od idiotic stunts sooner or later.Keith Warren is another guy that makes me ill,98% of his "hunts" involve shooting an animal in a pen and then bragging about what a tough hunt it was,they had a keith warren forum member hunt on oln the other day it was about 5 fat slobs sitting in a blind shooting SHEEP over a pile of alphafa about 20 feet away..WHAT A JOKE.

BRUTE · « **Reply #25 on:** December 31, 2006, 04:27:41 AM »

Tred did his best to show what really goes on... that is more than alot of shows do. He got a little excited and did very typical things that a first time hunter do. HE is a bit of a charater, and some think he goes a little overboard trying to hype things up.

In reality a seasoned hog hunter, such as ugly dog and some of the others on here, only need a good skinning knife to actually take the hog by stabbing it... and we know exactly where the heart is so one little poke and in less that 30 sec. the hog has expired.

As for the guys holding on tho the hog, that happened to be a smaller hog. When you have an inexperienced hunter such as Tred it is best to leg the hog to lessen the chance for injury to the hunter or the dogs. Even a 50lb hog if it were to hit you in the knee could do alot of damage. We all have families and/ or have to be at work to provide and we cant be missing work for knee surgeries because our pride would not let us leg a 50lb-er. When you go in to stab a 350lb boar hog with 3" cutters you will be happy to see two buddies legging that hog for you.

In Texas we are way over populated with hogs. They are not even considered a game animal. Not until last year did you even have to have a hunting license to hunt hogs with dogs. They destroy crops, grass, eat out fo the cattle feeders, roto up golf coarses, ect.... It is a NO-No to release even the smallest hog back. IF the farmers I hunt for found out I was letting some go back I would not be invited back... that is for sure.

ratgunner · « **Reply #26 on:** December 31, 2006, 04:38:45 AM »

Every animal deserves our respect.Look how Tred shoots at unwounded caribou and other game that is out of his effective range and while the animals are running.What is he thinking ?The man is in love with himself. ::)It's all about Tred,the hard way the Barta way.lol.And he pats himself on the back so often he don't need us to do so for him as well.

BRUTE · « **Reply #27 on:** December 31, 2006, 04:45:31 AM »

I am not familar with Tred's show. I have only seen the hog hunt.

You are right..... every animal deserves our respect.

Swampman · « **Reply #28 on:** December 31, 2006, 08:08:51 AM »

I don't feel any animal deserves respect. They are food. They do deserve a humane death prior to being eaten. A pig is just ham and bacon to me, I grew up on a farm.

Douglas · « **Reply #29 on:** December 31, 2006, 08:26:49 AM »

This has been quite a discussion, for and against. Hogs hunts with dogs can get exciting. When you have people that don't know what they are doing and have to use hands on to show them plus have two camera men wanting to get into the action this gets tricky.
I know because I was there. If any one had listen Tred admitts he did wrong and improved greatly as the hunt went on. Might not have been the best show or the biggest hog but postive support for dog hunting was the message.
We tie up most of our hogs and bring them out alive but this was what they wanted to show, Tred with a knife.
I'm 64 years old and have made a lot of mistakes but try to learn from them. I'm a supporter of all hunters rights and will stand with them even if I don't aprove of how they did it but as long as it's not against the law they have the right.
Glad you'll got to watch the show and now we know what and what not to do.

Author Topic: Tred Barta is SICK (Read 5526 times)

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