Author Topic: Tred Barta is SICK (Read 5667 times)

ratgunner · « **Reply #30 on:** December 31, 2006, 10:17:26 AM »

Quote from: Swampman on December 31, 2006, 08:08:51 AM

I don't feel any animal deserves respect. They are food. They do deserve a humane death prior to being eaten. A pig is just ham and bacon to me, I grew up on a farm.

Thats what I meant they deserve a humane death.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #31 on:** December 31, 2006, 01:50:09 PM »

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I don't have a problem with hunting hogs with a knife. The are dozens of outfitters who offer that type of hunt and if it floats your boat, go for it. In my opinion, and only my opinion, having a guide holding the hogs feet on both ends and stretching it out and holding it for that clown to walk up and stab, with a squeal by the pig to go along with it, is unethical. And to show it on TV is absurd. It makes us all, as hunters, look like idiots and fuels the fire for PETA and any other anti hunting groups.
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To PETA is there any humame or ethical way to hunt animals?

Like I said United we stand Divided we fall.

markc · « **Reply #32 on:** January 01, 2007, 03:20:31 AM »

Welcome aboard Douglas. It has been a couple of years but I have hunted with you and your dogs several times. I made the original BDO's at Texasboars.com. Thank you for your post and perspective..

Douglas · « **Reply #33 on:** January 01, 2007, 03:28:22 AM »

Mark,
Thanks and as I said I have made some mistakes in my time but try to learn from them.
I would never down any type of hunting or the person that's doing it because that what PETA wants is for us to fuss amoung our selfs.
One day hunting will be ended if all types of hunters doesn't stand together and work together to Preserve and Protect it.
If you down some one for how they hunt, think how much you contribit to the sport and promoting it.

I really like most people but I might not Like What they do or say.
Hope to all a Safe and Blessed New Year.

MSP Ret · « **Reply #34 on:** January 01, 2007, 03:36:14 AM »

Douglas, Welcome aboard and thanks for standing up like a man and admitting you had something to do with that regretful incident and show episode. This guy Tred Barta does have issues, anyone that has seen his shows can see and understand that. He also has enough money to make himself the star and hero of his own shows, thats what people can do in this wonderful country. My hope is simplly that PETA, the Fund for Animals, and the other groups against hunting (and fishing?) will not get this and others of his sometimes ignorant displays of self indulgence and foolishness and use it against the sports we here enjoy. Thank you Douglas for being the fine upstanding man you seem to be, and have a happy and successful New Year, hopefully without another "Tred Barta" incident to sully you or your reputation....<><....

Aardvark · « **Reply #35 on:** January 01, 2007, 05:19:28 AM »

Thanks for all the response and perspective views on this topic..
I enjoy a good debate and love to hear all the different viewpoints on issues and this one certainly went further than I thought...Ain't America great?
Happy New Years to all of you and best wishes of health and prosperity to all...

Dee · « **Reply #36 on:** January 01, 2007, 02:35:17 PM »

I get the feeling some of these posts ARE from peta. Deeply disturbing? It's a feral hog, for gosh sakes. Guys put up feeders, weeks in advance, and then sit in a nice warm blind. When the poor unfortunate deer who thinks someone is being kind and feed him in winter, shows up to eat, you either blow him away with the latest magnum or run a stick thru him and have to chase him down, or sit there and let him BLEED OUT. A rookie hog hunter has to make the stab 3 times, and it's DISTURBING? Come on you guys, I saw the hunt, and the pig was dead in seconds. Was it spectacular? No, it was boring, but most of you probably have never hunted hogs except in a canned hunt. As far as him gallantly wading in on a 400 lb boar single handed armed with a knife. Get real. I live in north central Tx. and as the other guys from Tx. say, they are varments down here. After they clean out all the seasons' mast from the oak and pecan trees, (by the way, they even root up the nuts the squirrels bury) they start on burmuda grass hay meddows and lawns to get the grubs. After that, they rob ground nesting birds such as quail and turkey, and when they can get to them, the deer fawns and even calves of ranchers. They will litterally destroy wildlife habitat completely if left unchecked. One farmer I know last year planted 400 acres of corn one day. That night the hogs moved in and rooted up 13 acres of the seed in one night. They can litterally follow the planter rows smelling the seed kernals out. lI hunt them almost dailey, and if know one wants the ones I kill, the farmers, ranchers, and coyotes are happy. As far as Barta promoting himself? Of course he does, it's his show, and he worked his way into it. Why should he give one of us the spotlight. His 10 second or so kill on the pig was far more humane that 95% of ALL the bow hunts I've seen. I don't care for bow hunting as it is obviously cruel, but hey! It's legal. I have some friends who hunt with dogs and knives and I tell them their nuts. Not only are the hogs dangerous that close, they carry rabies, and the wounds they cause in a fight are nasty. If you want to learn what fair chase really means, get out of your deer blind and follow some hog doggers. If you can keep up. Get into some thick brush with a mad 350lb boar, or better yet a protective sow with a litter in the brush. Better luck next time Tred, nobodies an expert the first time out. Well, I guess some are. JM2CW

NONYA · « **Reply #37 on:** January 01, 2007, 02:48:07 PM »

THE GUY IS A MORON AND PAINTS A POOR PICTURE OF THE HUNTING LIFESTYLE,I HOPE OLN DROPS HIS SHOW SO HE WONT CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THE ANTI MOVEMENT WITH IDIOTIC FOOTAGE TO SUPPORT THIER CAUSE.

Cheesehead · « **Reply #38 on:** January 01, 2007, 03:00:12 PM »

Ouch,,, my feelings are deeply hurt. Maybe we should promote this as good tv? It is bad tv. Three large men and one small pig,, could be the name of the show. The only thing I found disturbing about it is the fact it is on tv. It is very bad tv, some of the worst I have ever seen. I have been called a lot of things, but never a PETA member, what an insult.

Cheese

Dee · « **Reply #39 on:** January 01, 2007, 03:46:29 PM »

Did someone call you a peta member? TV is like a garage sale. One man's junk is another man's treasure. Perhaps next time we can get three large pigs on one small man. The whole point some of us on the other side are trying to make, is the way things are done in Wisconsin may not be the way they are done elsewhere and so on. Everyone agrees the pig was not a trophy, but Barta was doing something he had never done. Knives make nasty wounds on people and dogs, also. It was a safty issue for a rookie. When you teach someone to shoot, you don't give them a 358 win mag. You start'em off small. Peta would probably get more milage outa hunter's criticiziem than the film footage. Like I said, I saw it too. It was boring but, admittedly over with quick. It wasn't Barta's finest moment but, he was trying to perform for the camera something he had never done, and give people who had heard of the method a look at the way (sorta) its accomplished.
I have seen macho cops mess thier pants in a gun fight, but they sure talked a good fight right up until they actually experienced one. It's not that easy, and even veteran hog hunters get hurt doing it. Ask curdog on this forum. I had rather watch someone like Tred, just to see the country he's huntin in, than watch a damm bunch of cars turn left for 3 hours, or 22 guys in spandex chase a football. He ain't perfect, but he's trying to do it his way, just like you and I do. Besides they might replace his show with another BBQ cookoff show or skateboarding or worse.

elmer · « **Reply #40 on:** January 01, 2007, 04:01:04 PM »

Appeasing PETA is like trying to appease any other extremist. They don't care how you hunt / butcher an animal. They are simply against it PERIOD. What makes me sick at my stomach is that most of them thinks it's okay if someone murders an unborn baby just prior to it's birth. That alone invalids their opinion about anything else in my opinion.

As far as being legal. The state of Texas wants us to kill millions of hogs this year and are not concerned about how we do it. The fact is hogs are seriously diminishing the numbers of other animals here.

Aardvark · « **Reply #41 on:** January 01, 2007, 04:06:12 PM »

Quote from: Dee on January 01, 2007, 03:46:29 PM

Did someone call you a peta member? TV is like a garage sale. One man's junk is another man's treasure. Perhaps next time we can get three large pigs on one small man. The whole point some of us on the other side are trying to make, is the way things are done in Wisconsin may not be the way they are done elsewhere and so on. Everyone agrees the pig was not a trophy, but Barta was doing something he had never done. Knives make nasty wounds on people and dogs, also. It was a safty issue for a rookie. When you teach someone to shoot, you don't give them a 358 win mag. You start'em off small. Peta would probably get more milage outa hunter's criticiziem than the film footage. Like I said, I saw it too. It was boring but, admittedly over with quick. It wasn't Barta's finest moment but, he was trying to perform for the camera something he had never done, and give people who had heard of the method a look at the way (sorta) its accomplished.
I have seen macho cops mess thier pants in a gun fight, but they sure talked a good fight right up until they actually experienced one. It's not that easy, and even veteran hog hunters get hurt doing it. Ask curdog on this forum. I had rather watch someone like Tred, just to see the country he's huntin in, than watch a damm bunch of cars turn left for 3 hours, or 22 guys in spandex chase a football. He ain't perfect, but he's trying to do it his way, just like you and I do. Besides they might replace his show with another BBQ cookoff show or skateboarding or worse.

Three pigs on one man, heck ya' what channel is that going to be on?
I totally agree that wild hogs have come to the point of being major nuicances...I am a farmer who grows about 600 acres of grain a year and believe me, we have a hog problem...The answer there is to go get the little runts with a Browning 1919...i wouldn't hire too many guys with a pocket knife to get rid of the pigs on my place...Saving farmland is not a funny issue nor is it fodder for entertainment on TV...
Thre pigs jumping a Rambo, Thats entertainment!

PS Where can I buy a Winchester 358 MAG?

Dee · « **Reply #42 on:** January 01, 2007, 04:14:53 PM »

I don't know about the 358 win mag ardvark. 3030 is too big for me. No really I know your problem farming. I have lived here all my 56 years. Farmers walk up to me at church and tell me where their having hog problems. When I have time,(usually several times a week a couple of hours) I grab a rifle and go hunt'em. Most people don't know their noctunal and wilder (and smarter)than a whitetail.

NONYA · « **Reply #43 on:** January 01, 2007, 04:30:02 PM »

You would rather watch Tred the moron Barta than a NASCAR race?You have somthing seriously wrong with you,seek help.When this guy makes all hunters look bad with his antics he hurts the sport in general,these shows with nothing but canned hunts and stunts like barta destroy the public image of hunting,many people know only what they see on tv about hunting and I dont want people thinking all hunters are like any of those wanna Bs.

Graybeard · « **Reply #44 on:** January 01, 2007, 04:40:52 PM »

Nonya you are welcome to your opinion but are NOT welcome to call folks names. Let's get that clear OK?

I'd rather watch paint dry than watch cars go round in circles so yeah I'm sure I'd rather watch the show in question that the cars also even if just to see the country.

I'm really getting tired of folks who think it is their job to decide for the rest of the hunting community what is and is not acceptable hunting procedure. What he did was legal in the state he did it. If you don't like it don't watch it but it is NOT your place to tell others how they can hunt and trying to appease PETA and other anti's has to be the most stupid thing anyone could do. It cannot be done short of stopping all killing of animals for all purposes to include food, medical research and use in clothing. They really don't even think you should own pets. They are rabid animals no less than the muslims and cannot be bargained with so stop trying.

Dee · « **Reply #45 on:** January 01, 2007, 10:50:50 AM »

I feel the oposite. Anyone who can sit down and watch three hours of left turns, is easily entertained. A rubber hammer and a steel ball bearing would undoubtedly fasinate them longer. As far as Barta being a moron, I just see him as doing it the way he wants. Some people might consider you or I a moron for our methods. We tend at times to take ourselves more seriously than we should, and more so than others do. Anyway, enough of this, I'm am sure he could defend himself face to face with out me.

Cheesehead · « **Reply #46 on:** January 01, 2007, 05:20:55 PM »

""""""I get the feeling some of these posts ARE from peta. Deeply disturbing?""""""

Nice.

Maybe I misunderstood?

It really is very bad tv. The worst. I am talking about the pig thing.

I am all for any legal hunting, trapping and fishing. I am all for thinning out pigs. I would like to go pig hunting myself.

Cheese

kp! · « **Reply #47 on:** January 01, 2007, 05:33:05 PM »

The outfitter in that video is a good friend of mine. I've hunted with him on some very memorable ocassions, and I'm honored to call Doug Mason my friend.

That being said... I saw the video. I think the guy has a few issues with his ego that could be easily worked out with some therapy. He behaved poorly in my opinion, and his actions did not convey what WE as HOG HUNTERS (speaking for myself I guess) want displayed to the world.

kp

Dee · « **Reply #48 on:** January 02, 2007, 03:18:06 AM »

I ain't too happy with democrats and republican image to the world right now, but I can't do anything about it. Ego and TV have always in most cases gone together,haven't they?

Buckskin · « **Reply #49 on:** January 02, 2007, 03:40:49 AM »

Actually if you want to have the best meat, a knife kill is the way to go. But you should stab it in the throat to bleed it out the best. Thats what we do on the farm when I butcher my yearly hog. Walk up to him, poke him in the throat with a long sharp knife and let him bleed out. He just walks around a little and falls over. But I agree, not the best thing to show on TV and we do it to 270lb hogs. Now that is what I would like to see, 2 guys trying to wrestle a big boar then a guy trying to stab it!!! My money is on the hog.

Tred for the most part is an entertaining idiot, that is his whole deal. I watched one show where he was trying to kill a flying duck with an arrow. And said it was his quest over the last 10 years (I think)! He finally did it. I cannot believe it took him that long.

markc · « **Reply #50 on:** January 02, 2007, 05:28:21 AM »

KP, I've hunted with Douglas too and he has always been quite the professional. He even allowed my wife to tag along on her first (and only) hog dog hunt. She still hunts hogs, just not with dogs. TV shows must entertain, so folks will at times do things differently on TV than they would if the camera was not there. I've seen that a hundred times on COP shows. Somehow I just don't think that the majority of non hunting neutral America is watching Tred Barta or any other hunting program on TV. I don't think it is doing much harm to our beloved sport..

BRUTE · « **Reply #51 on:** January 02, 2007, 05:39:36 AM »

This weekend we may be doing another filmed hog hunt. I think we have learned a little from Tred. The show is saying that they will not air any hogs less than 150lbs being killed, an experienced hog hunter will stab, and that they may or may not show the actual stabbing. This is what I have hear.... nothing in stone.
I think those are good guidlines to follow. Hopefully by using the feedback from Tred's show and others before him we can improve or our "image" of the sport of hog hunting with dogs. I would say that hog hunting with dogs is probably the most efficient way of keep hog numbers under control and by far the best way to keep them out of a certain area.

Ranger J · « **Reply #52 on:** January 02, 2007, 11:17:08 AM »

If Ted wants to impress us have him go in on a full grown Russian with its four feet still on the ground with only a sword in one hand and his cape wrapped around his non sword arm as they did in the Middle Ages. I think we would be impressed with that!

RJ

Dee · « **Reply #53 on:** January 02, 2007, 11:39:23 AM »

Shoot while we're at it, why not make it a 500 lb Russian boar, with a 600 lb male lion backin up the boar, and send ole Tred in with a straight pin. Now that would be sportin and wouldn't offend anyone.

GRIMJIM · « **Reply #54 on:** January 02, 2007, 02:55:21 PM »

This is starting to get silly.

Dee · « **Reply #55 on:** January 02, 2007, 03:03:27 PM »

I think it started out silly. I just decided if you can't beat'em join'em. Silly is my speciality. I feel at home here.

GRIMJIM · « **Reply #56 on:** January 02, 2007, 03:14:15 PM »

Dee, you made a good point about starting small. I never looked at it that way. But I still don't think it should have been on tv.

Dee · « **Reply #57 on:** January 02, 2007, 03:55:44 PM »

Well GRIMJIM, I see so much on TV that shouldn't be there, the hog fiasco with ole Tred just didn't seem like a big deal. I realize he has a huge ego, but when we start thinkin we know better on stuff like that, when we actually have no experience doing it all, aren't we being a little egotisticle (did I even get close to spelling that right) ourselves? I think what the man is trying to do (and he has said so several times) is put the hunt back in huntin. He sees what I see. Hunters have gone nuts over these new short magnums, huge optics, range finders, scent blockers, and..... Well, you get the picture. Todays TV huntin shows not only have guides, but the guide sits in the blind with the hunter, or they glass a canyon with the latest in 100X spotting scopes, and shoot a deer, elk or whatever with a superduper, extra-extra short magnum, at a quarter mile away, or go to a HUNTING RANCH that they never show the 20 foot fence around it. and shoot a deer of some sort that couldn't get away if it tried. When he says the hard way, I think he means the old fashion way. Yea, he used a man with a high powered rifle as a backup when he shot the brown bear with a long bow and a homemade cedar arrow and homemade arrow head. That's just common sense, but that's the way it used to be. When I hunted with a bow back in the fifties and sixties, I used a recurve bow, and even the store bought arrows back then were cedar. What he's doing takes a lot of effort that most of us are too lazy or in my case to busted up phyiscally to do anymore. He's a little flakey, but we all are to someone, aren't we?

begeberg · « **Reply #58 on:** January 02, 2007, 05:15:16 PM »

I don't get the concern of this topic at all to any hunters. What makes anyone think their way of hunting is right and just and another way is discusting and wrong? I myself would not want to stick a hog with a knife or poke one with an arrow but would love to nail one with my 45-70. I recently watched a boar hunting DVD where they tracked a wounded hog almost 6 hours and ended up shooting it 3 times with a bow and finally with a handgun to kill it over that time. I can say honestly that would not be my cup of tea but you could see the folks doing it enjoyed it. I don't really care what anyone thinks about how I like to hunt and suspect that Tred doesn't either. As far as egos go, I am sure he has a big one as do many of the hunters I have run across and seen post on these boards. Filming any type of hunt for TV is going to bring criticism from the anti-hunters out there. Opinions are like ___holes, everybody has one and there is alway somebody with a different one. Your best course of action if you don't like Tred is to turn him off. After watching many of the hunting shows out there I will say his seems to be the closest to fair chase I see. Again, just my opinion...

Dee · « **Reply #59 on:** January 03, 2007, 02:36:56 AM »

I've got some pictures somewhere that were sent me by a friend. If I can find them I'll try to figure out how to post em. It is the biggest hog for this part of the country I have ever seen, and I have killed some upwards to 400lbs. These guys were huntin with dogs, and bayed this one up. He was cornered and cleaning house on the dogs. They shot him repeatedly, I'm talkin repeatedly, with a handgun they had brought, before they got him killed. They had been huntin hogs and ketchin em with bare hands and killin em with knifes or tying em up for a long time. That day, it didn't happen that way. They almost lost a bunch of dogs. This hog probably weighed near 600. That's unusual, because they seldom live past 6 years old in the wild, as their teeth don't last due to wear. The hogs, not the hunters.