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Osama is failing America miserably, but believe he is on track with his real agenda, turning America over to the Godless ones. He knows what he's doing, planned it for many years. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Hey TM...

It don't matter if ya rewrite history or not...or what happened or not...none of it matters in the least.
cause if you were in charge of all of it and gave them what they want, they would crap on you too and squander whatever ever it is you gave them in no time flat....like they always have. 

and yes I can prove they have had their chances...and blew them....

And just because Christians used to do this or that way back when...doesn't matter either. Nothing matters except what is now.

Your history lessons don't make them more than murerous thugs....it doesn't make them want a better life, or make them do what normal people would do. 




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I actually don't think they have ever been too easy to get along with...debatable...but the short story is,  they do not want peace or ever will. 

Would be nice to change history and make it all rosey...but the truth is there is absolutley nothing Israel can do now short of killing themselves that will help this situation.  So I guess if the American Indians starting killing us all that would work for you too...personally, I'm glad they learned how to co-exist and care for each other instead.  I would not tolerate them trying to kill us all now...you might.  There will be no peace because they don't want it.  Who cares about 19xx...it's 2009 now. 



Palestine Without Illusions

By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, February 3, 2006; Page A19

Amid much gnashing of teeth, the Hamas victory in the Palestinian elections is being called a disaster. On the contrary. It is deeply clarifying and ultimately cleansing. If the world responds correctly, it will mark a turning point for the better.

The Palestinian people have spoken. According to their apologists, sure, Hamas wants to destroy Israel, wage permanent war and send suicide bombers into discotheques to drive nails into the skulls of young Israelis, but what the Palestinians were really voting for was efficient garbage collection.
 
It is time to stop infantilizing the Palestinians. As Hamas leader Khaled Meshal said at a news conference four days after the election, "The Palestinian people have chosen Hamas with its known stances." By a landslide, the Palestinian people have chosen these known stances: rejectionism, Islamism, terrorism, rank anti-Semitism and the destruction of Israel in a romance of blood, death and revolution. Garbage collection on Wednesdays.

Everyone is lamenting the fall of Fatah and the marginalization of its leader, Mahmoud Abbas. This is ridiculous. The election exposed what everyone knew and would not admit: Abbas has no constituency. Would it have been better to keep funneling billions of dollars from the European Union and a gullible United States to the thoroughly corrupt administration of a hapless figurehead? Billions that either end up in Swiss bank accounts or subsidize countless gangs of young men carrying guns?

The current nostalgia for Fatah moderation is absurd. What moderation? Yasser Arafat's 1993 paper recognition of Israel's right to exist was as fraudulent as his famous Oslo side letter renouncing terrorism. He spent the next seven years clandestinely sponsoring it, then openly launched a four-year terrorist war, the most vicious in the history of the Arab-Israeli conflict.

With this election, we can no longer hide from the truth: After 60 years, the Palestinian people continue to reject the right of a Jewish state to exist side by side with them. Fatah -- secular, worldly and wise -- learned to lie to the West and pretend otherwise. Hamas -- less sophisticated, more literal and more bound by religious obligation to expel the Jews -- is simply more honest.

This election was truth in advertising. Now we know. What to do?

The world must impress upon the Palestinians that there are consequences for their choices. And so long as they choose rejectionism -- the source of a 60-year conflict the Israelis have long been ready to resolve -- the world will not continue to support and subsidize them.

And that means cutting off Hamas completely: no recognition, no negotiation, no aid, nothing. And not just assistance to a Hamas government but all assistance. The Bush administration suggests continuing financial support for "humanitarian" services. This is a serious mistake.

First, because money is fungible. Every dollar we spend for Palestinian social services is a dollar freed up for a Hamas government to purchase rockets, guns and suicide belts for the "Palestinian army" that Meshal has already declared he intends to build.

Second, because it sends the Palestinians precisely the wrong message. If they were under a dictatorship that imposed rejectionism on them, there would be a case for helping a disenfranchised Palestinian people. But they just held the most open and honest exercise of democracy in Palestinian history. The Palestinian people chose. However much they love victimhood, they are not victims here. They are actors. And historical actors have to take responsibility.

They want blood and death and romance? They will get nothing. They choose peace and coexistence? Then, as President Bush pledged in June 2002, they will get everything: world recognition, financial assistance, their own state with independence and dignity.

In August 2001, Hamas sent a suicide bomber into a Sbarro pizzeria in Jerusalem. He killed 15 innocent Israelis, mutilating many dozens more. A month later, Hamas student activists at al-Najah University in Nablus celebrated the attack with an exhibit, a mockup of the smashed Sbarro shop strewn with blood and fake body parts -- a severed leg, still dressed in jeans; a human hand dangling from the ceiling. The inscription (with a reference to the Qassam military wing of Hamas) read: "Qassami Pizza is more delicious."

The correct term for such a mentality is not militancy, not extremism, but moral depravity. The world must advise the Palestinian people that if their national will is to embrace Hamas -- its methods and its madness -- then their national will is simply too murderous and, yes, too depraved for the world to countenance, let alone subsidize.

The essential first lesson of any newborn democracy is that national choices have national consequences. A Hamas-led Palestine, cut off entirely, will be forced to entertain second thoughts.




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JIMSTER. Once again good post. If the Godless ones lay down their arms, there will be peace. If Israel lays down it's arms, there would  be a bloodbath, the Godless ones would exterminate them all, men, women, children. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Well Okay Jimster...you can believe all Krauthammer writes if you like

I will.  you wanted facts, you got some....the things he mentions in his piece happened, we all saw it on the news back then as well.  Now that's real current history, that really lays out the problems NOW.

 

As long as the Palestinians choose these kinds of leaders,  they don't have a chance.  Israel is not going to go away or all commit suicide, which is what they would have to do to please the Palestinians and people such as yourself...much as you want that to happen...it won't. 
And if the American Indians started acting like this, I wouldn't be going away either, so there ya have it.

Doesn't do much good to analyze history and have all kinds of emotions on these things, it only matters what is right now, and how things are right now...and the Palestinians don't want peace right now.

I can read gobs of things just like you can, listen to both sides, all the emotions, all the crap...and after that I have the ability to break it all down to SIMPLE terms.  Someone has to get killed, that's the way it really is right now, and we all can pick who we might want to win this one.  I simply did not pick Hamas or Fatah....the Palestinians did that...and so are you.  It won't be over until the Palestinians decide to try to co-exist or all die, or all go away.  No history lesson's are going to fix this...Palestinian leadership wants nothing fixed really. 

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BTW, I don't necessarily consider Krauthammer factually accurate.

I find the things Krauthammer said happened really did happen.  Every bit of it according to all the news reports all over the world. 
Just because you don't like someone does not mean none of those things happened.  I have agreed with you on things before TM7, but I don't know where you're going here so I have a hard time agreeing on what is going on NOW. I don't see how Israel could please the Palestinians NOW considering the way they are.

So you can enlighten me....what exactly would YOU have Israel do right now that would make the Hamas/Fatah all warm and fuzzy...and being dead is not a good answer. 

The Palestinians don't want anything but Israel dead and gone, they said so...and their leadership said so.  Someone does indeed have to be killed, and they are....for survival reasons.

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Israel is the cat house of the middle east.  Prostitution in Israel is a billion dollar year business.  Thousands of Christian girls are kidnapped or coerced into prostitution by Israeli pimps and slave traders.  Needless to to say, the US government never says a darn word about it.   

Not tell me that Israel has some divine right to force females into prostitution.
 

http://judicial-inc.biz/Church_Battle.htm

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Israel is the cat house of the middle east.  Prostitution in Israel is a billion dollar year business.  Thousands of Christian girls are kidnapped or coerced into prostitution by Israeli pimps and slave traders.  Needless to to say, the US government never says a darn word about it.  

Not tell me that Israel has some divine right to force females into prostitution.
 

http://judicial-inc.biz/Church_Battle.htm


Everyone needs to click on alsaqr's link, sure seems like a nice friendly sight. I'm sure it is all fact based and this aint no hate sight.   ;)

Boy this goes to show you that there are some out there that are in the camp of, "I saw it on the internet so it must be true".  :D :D :D
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 Billy;
   I agree, that site Alasqr posted is a hoot ! :D ;D
  That dizzy site claims the head Episcopalian bishop and the honcho that leads the PCUSA as "God's servants battle the forces of evil". ::) ;D ;D
  Now, don't we hear about the many Episcopalians and local congregations who are about to leave the "Mother church", which of course by history is the Anglican church of England.
  What is it all about? Bishop Griswold and his cohorts want to ordain outright homosexuals. Did they ever crack the Bible and read Romans chapter 1 ? Did they ever read about Sodom & Gomorrah ? The head HooHoo in Britain, the Archbishop of Canterbury says folks ar not to believe in the virgin birth and thus the diety of Christ.
  Yeah, sure ! God's servants.. ;) :D..telling Him He's wrong...

  http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1942135/posts

  In (Mark 3:35) Jesus says..only those who do the will of God can be Christians..
 
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Here it is from the Jerusalem Post.  Olmert promised to do something about white slavery in Israel.  Nothing got done and white slavery in Israel is now much worst that it was in 2006.   



http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull&cid=1139395612259



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Acting Prime Minister Ehud Olmert promised on Wednesday to place the battle against trafficking in women at the top of the agenda of societal priorities if he is elected prime minister on March 28.

"That acting prime minister Ehud Olmert, probably one of the busiest people in Israel today, took time out of his schedule to sign this petition shows how important it is to put an end to the trading of women," Roni Aloni Sadovnik, spokeswoman for the Task Force on Human Trafficking (TFHT), a project of the non-profit organization Atzum, said following the signing. "We hope this will also send a message to the leaders of the police, the army and the legal system to put more emphasis on this problem."

Olmert's signature on the convention joins that of Labor Party leader Amir Peretz and Likud leader Binyamin Netanyahu, the other two candidates running for prime minister.

"Now, whoever is in power, we will hopefully be able to put an end to this ugly situation," added Aloni Sadovnik.

"The battle against human trafficking is, and always has been, a matter of priorities. Until this point, this issue has not received adequate attention or resources because government leaders simply didn't view it as a priority. If the future prime minister actually dedicates resources to this problem, if he follows through on his undertakings in this convention, Israel could become a world leader in this battle," commented Yedida Wolfe, director of advocacy for the task force.

The convention was commissioned by more than 15 organizations, including the Hotline for Migrant Workers, Association for the Civil Rights in Israel, Amnesty International, and the Israel Women's Network, involved in the struggle against human trafficking.

 


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 Now the other "hero of the faith" Alsaqr's site listed is the Rev Cliufton Kirkpatrick, head honcho of the PCUSA..
  Another group that has been invaded in it's highest offices by plain apostates.
  Apostates who want homosexuals to be ordained and want to re-write the Bible in order to make it more "inclusive" for feminist tastes. God is not a "she"! He said so himself!
 Again, have they never read Romans chapter 1..or do they just choose to ignore what God says ?
  "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools." (Romans 1:22)
  
 " Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleaness through the lust of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between them selves" (Romans 1:24)

  "For this cause God gave them up to vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
   And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, AND RECEIVING IN THEMSELVES THAT RECOMPENCE OF THEIR ERROR WHICH WAS
 MEET"  (Romans 1:26,27)
  ( I put that last phrase in caps, wondering if these two illustrious "servants" may know just what that payment (recompence)is that they are receiving in their bodies)
 
  The PCUSA has decided to chop up and re-write the Bible to make it more responsive to the Feminazis.
   I don't suppose the Rev Kirkpatrick ever read it, but the last dire warning God gives in His book (3rd &4th verses from the end) tells us not to change a single word from what was written, upon pain of damnation. (Rev 22:18,19)
  
  Sure, translation is necessary, but it must be an HONEST translation.

  I sure can see why these two denominations (part of the World Council of Churches) would appeal to some...because in many cases, the inmates are likely in charge of the institution.
 
  http://www.markdroberts.com/htmfiles/resources/pcusabookcrisis.htm

  
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I guess more of us would pay more attention if there were more than a few Jew haters saying the same things.
   You talk about "white slavery" and abortion in Israel..I suppose that does exist there, just as it does here. That doesn't maen all Israelis are happy with it any more than all Americans being happy with prostitution or the infanticide some practice here.
  Such is the dark side of any culture that allows people choices..some make evil choices.
  There are some nations that allow their people very few choices, especially their women...and still their leaders tell their men to commit many evil acts.
    It is indeed humorus that you and Alsaqr condem Israel because some some women are involved in "white slavery"..mostly by choice..... and you do not mention other dictatorships that execute women on soccer fields, or allow their idiot husbands/fathers to execute them in some twisted form af an "honor" killing..Yeah right!..some honor !

  Now Alsaqr;
  How about those two old reprobates you called "God's servants" ?  ::) :D ;D ;D
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Here it is from the Jerusalem Post.  Olmert promised to do something about white slavery in Israel.  Nothing got done and white slavery in Israel is now much worst that it was in 2006.   



http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull&cid=1139395612259



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Acting Prime Minister Ehud Olmert promised on Wednesday to place the battle against trafficking in women at the top of the agenda of societal priorities if he is elected prime minister on March 28.

"That acting prime minister Ehud Olmert, probably one of the busiest people in Israel today, took time out of his schedule to sign this petition shows how important it is to put an end to the trading of women," Roni Aloni Sadovnik, spokeswoman for the Task Force on Human Trafficking (TFHT), a project of the non-profit organization Atzum, said following the signing. "We hope this will also send a message to the leaders of the police, the army and the legal system to put more emphasis on this problem."

Olmert's signature on the convention joins that of Labor Party leader Amir Peretz and Likud leader Binyamin Netanyahu, the other two candidates running for prime minister.

"Now, whoever is in power, we will hopefully be able to put an end to this ugly situation," added Aloni Sadovnik.

"The battle against human trafficking is, and always has been, a matter of priorities. Until this point, this issue has not received adequate attention or resources because government leaders simply didn't view it as a priority. If the future prime minister actually dedicates resources to this problem, if he follows through on his undertakings in this convention, Israel could become a world leader in this battle," commented Yedida Wolfe, director of advocacy for the task force.

The convention was commissioned by more than 15 organizations, including the Hotline for Migrant Workers, Association for the Civil Rights in Israel, Amnesty International, and the Israel Women's Network, involved in the struggle against human trafficking.

 




WOW it is great that Israel is taking care of this crime problem. What the story does not say is WHO are the responsible partys for this white slavery. Again the Jew haters will use anything whether real or not to bolster thier hate mongering.
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Exit Polls: Nearly 80 Percent of Jews Voted for Obama
 
by Tzvi Ben Gedalyahu

(IsraelNN.com) Democratic Senator Barack Obama won 77-78 percent of the Jewish vote, according to exit polls, continuing the trend of three previous elections. Republican Senator John McCain won only 22 percent of the Jewish vote.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/128242

I guess some of you all are going to have to change some of your thinking.  Either Obama is "The Liar in the White House", the Anti-Christ, the "boy", etc..... Or, Jews are the "Chosen Ones" and can do no wrong. 

Which is it? Are Jews infallible God-inspired would be saints whose every decision lays hand in hand with the will of God, or is Obama bad?  78% of Jews can't be wrong, right? Oh yeah, John Kerry got 74% and Al Gore even pulled in 70%...

Here's another fun quote....

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DALLAS (JTA)—This year, once again, the Jewish community overwhelmingly supported the Democratic nominee for president. With the election of Barack Obama, Jewish voters selected a candidate who, despite an unprecedented smear campaign, represents the values of our community.

http://jta.org/news/article/2008/11/05/1000800/op-ed-why-jews-voted-for-obama

These are all Jewish publications. 

Now, let's bring it back around.

Billy:
Well what can we expect from the Caliphate of the United  States of America.

I'm sure our resident Antisemites will agree with BHO's actions.

Actually, it appears that the resident "Jews" agree with BHO's actions.


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Some on this site will dismiss a murderous attack on a US ship, the murder of Palestinian kids, give a pass to Israeli pimps and white slavers and excuse the selling of stolen classified US nuclear design information to communist China.  All of this stuff is excused because "God gave Israel to the Jews."  Some of these same folks quote the Bible profusely while railing against every Muslim and even some Christian denominations.  They even claim to be Christians.   ;D

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alsaqr, should we use the same analogy for blacks? Idi Amen killed in the millions, and most of the pimps in this country are black using women for sex slavery.  gypsyman
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Some on this site will dismiss a murderous attack on a US ship, the murder of Palestinian kids, give a pass to Israeli pimps and white slavers and excuse the selling of stolen classified US nuclear design information to communist China.  All of this stuff is excused because "God gave Israel to the Jews."  Some of these same folks quote the Bible profusely while railing against every Muslim and even some Christian denominations.  They even claim to be Christians.   ;D

   While some tend to overlook the continuous attacks around the world against all kinds of people from police stations, day care centers, pizza parlors, schools, teenage girls on their way to school, embassies destroyed, beheadings of newsmen, women executed in  soccer stadiums,  strangulation of one's own daughters, running people through brush chippers (feet first, more fun"), binding them and throwing them off buildings, cutting of tongues, fingers, hands and unmentionables, attempted destruction of the USS Cole, airliners blown out of the sky (e.g. Lockerbie), planting bombs on one's own children or mentally challenged people to be detonated near the "enemy"  to the destruction of the twin towers and 12,000 other terrorist attacks since about the year 2,000. ALL THIS IN THE NAME OF THE "RELIGION OF PEACE".. ::) :P
  "There are none so blind, as those who WILL NOT see!"

  While you imply that some here who respect Christ and the Bible are not real Christians, you are not demonstrating that you have the first notion of just what is meant in being a Christian. So until you can show through Scripture, where we are wrong and you are right...your words carry no weight.
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 Wylie;
  I cannot recall ANYONE on this forum saying "the Jews can do no wrong". In fact, I and others have pointed out that the Jews as a people, have strayed from God's will often and individually they sin as often as any of us.
  You simply must study a bit more and find out what "chosen people" means. An analogy would be like your own children or in the case of adopted (where they were chosen). Generally, they make us happy and please us, but we KNOW they do not always obey to the letter and they can greatly frustrate us at times..but we still don't disown them. In such cases, love is unconditional and God is the author of unconditional love.
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The IED's used in Iraq almost NEVER use a timer. They are set off most often with a pressure switch or by remote control.

The Antisemites will make up or use anything that supports their hate mongering. Goebels would have been proud to employ a few of the Jew haters we have here.
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The IED's used in Iraq almost NEVER use a timer. They are set off most often with a pressure switch or by remote control.

The Antisemites will make up or use anything that supports their hate mongering. Goebels would have been proud to employ a few of the Jew haters we have here.

Some may already be employed. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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  According to my Grandson, who has been through some IED attacks and destroyed some with his .50 cal before passing by them; most IEDs are set off by cell phones.  He even got commended for retrieval of of one. His commendation came when he dashed forward to recover a ringing cell phone among  battle wreckage.
  Men of his squad said he should have received a Bronze Star, but as is often true in such instances; not everyone who deserves a medal gets one..and not everybody who gets a medal, deserves one ! ... Cest La Vie !
  The cell phone was turned over to G2..hopefully they "turned the tables" on the mad bomber.
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