Author Topic: "Old" terrible news about tikkas / sakos exploding (Read 1430 times)

nasem · « **on:** September 16, 2006, 05:56:30 PM »

I found these old articles from 4-5 years ago

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=156955

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=108622&page=1&pp=25

Now... tikka is starting to scare the crap out of me lol

Zachary · « **Reply #1 on:** September 17, 2006, 01:47:29 PM »

Like you said, 4 or 5 years ago...and now it's starting to scare you? I don't get it. I can understand if it is NEW news, but it's not. What's the purpose of this post?

Zachary

Coyote Hunter · « **Reply #2 on:** September 17, 2006, 06:56:14 PM »

nasem -

Yes it's old news, but I'm with you. I think Sako handled it very poorly. They certainly didn't make me want to trust them then, and haven't done anything to earn my trust since.

jvs · « **Reply #3 on:** September 17, 2006, 09:26:04 PM »

Quote from: nasem on September 16, 2006, 05:56:30 PM

I found these old articles from 4-5 years ago

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=156955

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=108622&page=1&pp=25

Now... tikka is starting to scare the crap out of me lol

What you found is neither New, nor is it News. By now Sako has changed from using the Oil that had a higher than normal Sulphur content, which produced Microscopic cracks in those Barrels.

nasem · « **Reply #4 on:** September 18, 2006, 06:29:09 AM »

Quote from: Zachary on September 17, 2006, 01:47:29 PM

Like you said, 4 or 5 years ago...and now it's starting to scare you? I don't get it. I can understand if it is NEW news, but it's not. What's the purpose of this post?

Zachary

so.... what your trying to tell me is that hearing about a 4-5 year old problem with stainless tikka rifles EXPLODING into hell when pulling the trigger doesn't scare you? I am not the smartest man in the world, but I sure as hell don't ever want to be pulling the trigger on a gun that has a "4-5 year old" reputation like this.... Maybe it doesn't scare you, maybe you don't realise what it really means, but to me, it means a whole lot.

Don't get me wrong, I love my tikkas, accurate as heck, but when I read those posts, I have not been able to get it off my mind,

and you asked a question about the "purpose of this post", well, it is obvious enough but you don't seem to get my point, so i'll tell you.... I don't think news like this should ever be forgotton, I have been in the shooting sport for about 4 years now, so I NEVER knew tikka had such problem, and when I found out, I figured I'd let everyone else know about (just incase they never heard it)........... Are you saying there is something wrong with this?

BUSTER51 · « **Reply #5 on:** September 18, 2006, 08:03:51 AM »

They fixed the problem and they make some of the best rifles on the planet,however most people have more of a problem with the price than any thing else.people who drive cars are in much more danger than Sako customers .

nasem · « **Reply #6 on:** September 18, 2006, 09:10:09 AM »

While this is a true statement, me driving a car to work or local shop is far more dangerous than shooting a high power rifle,
However, driving a car (in most cases) is a must, shooting isn’t 

Why are people trying to defend tikka / sako here? And certainly why are people getting on my case about this…. I own 2 tikka rifles (7mm, 300 win mag) , all are stainless synthetic lite and I absolutely love em and I sure as heck never had one blow up in my face before (obviously)…..

When people ask me “whats your fav rifle and why” ? I always answer “for a bolt gun, nothing beats the balance / accuracy and price of a synthetic stainless Tikka” but now that I found out about their history, I would feel absolutely horrible if one day someone buys a tikka because of my advice and ends up getting hurt without me at least telling them about Tikkas 4-5 year old history.

Say whatever you want to say, but nothing will change the fact that Tikka (at one point in time, and NOT very long ago) made rifles that blew up in people’s faces. Im sure the problem has been fixed and maybe will never appear again, but that doesn’t mean you should forget their history

smk · « **Reply #7 on:** September 18, 2006, 09:16:33 AM »

beating a dead horse

Zachary · « **Reply #8 on:** September 18, 2006, 09:38:42 AM »

Quote from: nasem on September 18, 2006, 06:29:09 AM

Quote from: Zachary on September 17, 2006, 01:47:29 PM
Like you said, 4 or 5 years ago...and now it's starting to scare you? I don't get it. I can understand if it is NEW news, but it's not. What's the purpose of this post?

Zachary

so.... what your trying to tell me is that hearing about a 4-5 year old problem with stainless tikka rifles EXPLODING into hell when pulling the trigger doesn't scare you? I am not the smartest man in the world, but I sure as hell don't ever want to be pulling the trigger on a gun that has a "4-5 year old" reputation like this.... Maybe it doesn't scare you, maybe you don't realise what it really means, but to me, it means a whole lot.

Don't get me wrong, I love my tikkas, accurate as heck, but when I read those posts, I have not been able to get it off my mind,

and you asked a question about the "purpose of this post", well, it is obvious enough but you don't seem to get my point, so i'll tell you.... I don't think news like this should ever be forgotton, I have been in the shooting sport for about 4 years now, so I NEVER knew tikka had such problem, and when I found out, I figured I'd let everyone else know about (just incase they never heard it)........... Are you saying there is something wrong with this?

Nasem,

I am truly surprised at your response. Of course the problems with barrels exploding scares me, as it would any reasonable person. However, this is OLD news that has not only been talked about over and over, but has since been fixed. Hence my question as to the "purpose of your post." Where were you when this issue was discussed all over the net many months ago? As one of our members already posted, you are beating a dead horse.

As to your question of if I am "saying there is something wrong with this," at this point I will reserve making a ruling. Suffice it to say that I allowed your post to go forward, but I do not understand, or appreciate, the tone of your response.

Zachary

nasem · « **Reply #9 on:** September 18, 2006, 10:23:10 AM »

Zack ~

I think I made it very clear when I said "so I NEVER knew tikka had such problem", so to answer your question, I was not around when such thread was started.

No body here is beating a dead horse here. Im sure you know there are hundereds (if not thousands) of new comers to Graybearoutdoors.com every week who simply join these sites just to read information about rifles and whatnot, and Im pretty sure some of them might appreciate this. Maybe to you and some of the other old timers here on GBO know about tikkas history however, some don't (like my self). I was only trying to share something I learned about with everyone and obviously some are trying to give me a hard time about it.

Im going to repeat my self, maybe this time it will count:
"I don't think news like this should ever be forgotton, I have been in the shooting sport for about 4 years now, so I NEVER knew tikka had such problem, and when I found out, I figured I'd let everyone else know about (just incase they never heard it)"

If anyone has a problem with this post or "think" im beating a dead horse, simply don't respond and it will die out eventually but don't come out here and question me (with a rude tone) on why Im posting this thread, and threaten to kill the thread, thats plain rude.

Zachary · « **Reply #10 on:** September 18, 2006, 10:34:26 AM »

Nasem,

Your statements about me being an "old timer" and "rude" are incorrect, unfounded, improper, and actionable.

I don't know what's the matter with you. You are obviously having a bad day. My advice to you is take it some place else.

I made no such threats as you allege, but I am making them now. Continue with you words and your tone and I will, to the extent of my powers as a moderator, not only remove your post but, more importantly, sanction your rude behavior by removing you as a member of this site with the consent of Graybeard.

Govern yourself accordingly.

Zachary

Graybeard · « **Reply #11 on:** September 18, 2006, 11:13:52 AM »

As an unbiased observer of this thread I don't think it requires that. I think both of you might be over reacting a wee bit to the other. I doubt either meant to be rude even tho both seem to think the other did.

I can see where as a person just hearing it for the first time might get unnearved by it. Heck I've never gotten to where I feel I can trust Sako/Tikka over the matter. I might never. They handled it extremely poorly and should have had safe guards in place to prevent it to start with. IF they tested the guns BEFORE they let them out they would have blown at the factory.

I was kinda half way looking to buy a Sako when this happened. I didn't and likely never will. Quite honestly I just don't trust them as a result of this incident, right or wrong I've certainly not forgotten it.

Not everyone has been on the internet forever and that far back I'm sure lots of the folks who are today were not then.

This is gonna be real late getting posted. I'm a Huges.net satellite customer and we're having one heck of a storm. I got no signal and can't post this until I do have again. I hope it don't get uglier in the mean time.

nasem · « **Reply #12 on:** September 18, 2006, 11:50:16 AM »

Goven myself accordingly? What are you talking about? your the one who responded first to my thread and, I don't know about you, but the tone of voice you had was rude to me...... If your not willing to admit that then thats your problem,

And to answer your question, there is absoloutly nothing wrong with me, I am not having a bad day or anything close to a bad day.

2nd of all, why would you claim that I need to sanction my "rude" behavior ? what part of ANY of my comments was rude? I made my self VERY clear when I told you that I didn't know about this news until 2 nights ago. And what do I do after reading about the Tikka accedents ? I come here and try to post it so that everyone can read and feel what I felt and what do I get for this ? you telling me that I am being rude and threating to kill my thread and kill my account as a GBO member. Im sorry but your just abusing your admin rights, and its not fair to me that you have such power and go around and threaten people with it everytime you hear about a thread that was "mentioned a few months ago"

Now, because I respect Bill a great deal, I am willing to drop this and pretend like we never had this conversation. I don't want to p!ss anyone off further at this point and I expect to be treated equality and have my thread die out on its own rather than an admin kill it off. I don't think Im asking for a whole lot here

jvs · « **Reply #13 on:** September 18, 2006, 12:16:00 PM »

Zach is one of the more knowledgable Moderators here on GBO, hence his participation in "Bolt Action Rifles". Not everyone can do this job in this forum. I am sure he has his hands full sometimes with people Trolling, with no apparent contribution to a usable thread.

Granted that this is an old topic, which was gone over a few times when the news first broke. And since the GBO Search Feature was inoperable for a while, it is quite possible that Nasem did not have access to what was commented on in the past.

I think you two guys are thickheaded enough to get along some day. I hope it's soon. You probably have more in common than differences.

In any case, I am sure Sako is paying the price for bad press, when it comes to their high priced rifles exploding. The firearms public has a long, long memory. I still know people who won't buy a Remington because of the Safety problem they had back in the 80's.

Zachary · « **Reply #14 on:** September 18, 2006, 01:58:39 PM »

Nasem,

If you truly wish to discuss this further, then I invite you to PM me and provide me with your contact number, at which point I will contact you promptly.

Zachary

Zachary · « **Reply #15 on:** September 18, 2006, 02:00:08 PM »

Quote from: jvs on September 18, 2006, 12:16:00 PM

Zach is one of the more knowledgable Moderators here on GBO, hence his participation in "Bolt Action Rifles". Not everyone can do this job in this forum. I am sure he has his hands full sometimes with people Trolling, with no apparent contribution to a usable thread.

I appreciate your comments jvs.

Zachary

BUSTER51 · « **Reply #16 on:** September 18, 2006, 02:59:31 PM »

Look how long it took Ford and Firestone to even admit they may have a problem,how about the bad brakes on late 90's Chevy trucks and suv's .as far as Chrysler let's not even go there . and the great coffee makers black and decker made that would burn down your house .the list goes on and on .as I drive my 2005 Chevy 2500 hd Duramax/Allison and get 19.5 mpg I know that at any time it could be my last trip and the sky could fall .my hair is gray enough already without thinking every manufacturer of the things i buy will kill or mame me .they fixed the problem and we need to get past it .

nasem · « **Reply #17 on:** September 18, 2006, 03:02:18 PM »

Zack ~

there is no need for that man, I do appologize if I seemed rude to you, I never meant to be. Whatever remark I made about "old timer" was only implaying that an old timer is a person who is an "old timer here at the graybeard forums" (someone that has been coming to GBO for a long time). I hope you underestand -

Coyote Hunter · « **Reply #18 on:** September 18, 2006, 06:50:30 PM »

I have just one thing to say about my feeling toward Sako/Tikka....

Ruger!

EdK · « **Reply #19 on:** September 19, 2006, 01:55:18 AM »

Old news to some - not to all...

A local gun shop has a used but 99% Sako 75 stainless synthetic on the rack that just came in on trade:

I ask the counter person: Is this gun's serial # outside the window of recall or if not was it repaired?
Counter person: huh?

How do I know it is safe?

Coyote Hunter · « **Reply #20 on:** September 19, 2006, 02:54:57 AM »

Quote from: EdK on September 19, 2006, 01:55:18 AM

Old news to some - not to all...

A local gun shop has a used but 99% Sako 75 stainless synthetic on the rack that just came in on trade:

I ask the counter person: Is this gun's serial # outside the window of recall or if not was it repaired?
Counter person: huh?

How do I know it is safe?

Exactly.

nasem · « **Reply #21 on:** September 19, 2006, 03:44:17 AM »

Thats a very good point Edk,

Somebody might have boughten one of them 4-5 year old tikkas, shot a few rounds and locked it up in his/her gunsafe and is sitting there still and probebly never checked nor heard about tikka's recal and now, might have a good chance of having a dangerous gun in his / her safe.

Graybeard · « **Reply #22 on:** September 19, 2006, 04:00:15 AM »

The way it was handled I'd bet money there are still so out there in the hands of dealers or gun owners that have not yet been fixed and are still waiting to blow up.

nasem · « **Reply #23 on:** September 19, 2006, 04:14:49 AM »

well, if sako/Tikka don't want to publicly advertise such thing (just incase their name doesn't get ruined) then I feel that its OUR jobs, we the public who know of such thing to spread the news to all.... by using forums like this.

Some fathers teach thier kids at the age of 8 and 9 to shoot, I would hate if a kid got hurt, and even if the kid doens't end up getting hurt, imagine what kind of a flinch he/she will develope for the rest of thier lifes.

Zachary · « **Reply #24 on:** September 19, 2006, 04:23:29 AM »

Quote from: Graybeard on September 19, 2006, 04:00:15 AM

The way it was handled I'd bet money there are still so out there in the hands of dealers or gun owners that have not yet been fixed and are still waiting to blow up.

I'm not much of a bettin man, but if I was, I'd bet with you. Although Beretta/Sako/Tikka say that there was just a limited production made, of which most were not in the US, and that these gun owners or dealers have been notified, there is no way that ALL of the effected guns are out of the hands of consumer shooters.

When this issue came out some time ago, I'm glad that I contacted Beretta to find out that my guns were not affected.

Zachary

Sigma · « **Reply #25 on:** September 19, 2006, 06:03:10 AM »

Quote from: EdK on September 19, 2006, 01:55:18 AM

Old news to some - not to all...

A local gun shop has a used but 99% Sako 75 stainless synthetic on the rack that just came in on trade:

I ask the counter person: Is this gun's serial # outside the window of recall or if not was it repaired?
Counter person: huh?

How do I know it is safe?

The same thing happened to me when I went to a local gun shop. And there sits a brand new Tikka T3 Stainless in 6.5x55. The first response to my question with reference to a recall was: huh? When I continued, the guys behind the counter started making fun of my concerns - actually laughing about it - even when I mentioned the existence of a toll free number at Beretta: "That recording could be anyone at the end of the line..."

Needless to say, I later faxed them the info and called the manager, who said he had never heard of the recall. "And the Beretta salesman was just here, he stated. How come they didn't tell us?" I told the manager that I was taken aback by the reponse from his personnel in the shop who LAUGHED OFF a safety concern COMING FROM A CUSTOMER in that way. He was floored when he dialed the toll free number, heard the recording and saw the photos of the exploded Sako I had sent him. This experience by the way was with one of Beretta's "Showcase Dealers." I'm not sure at this point whether they were just playing it, or if they truly were ignorant.

Needless to say, my personal feeling is that Beretta handled the issue with gross negligence. I called Beretta myself and confirmed that the Tikka was a late production rifle with no issues.

My belief is that Beretta sales personnel clandestinely checked all known dealer inventory and otherwise notified all KNOWN gun owners affected by the recall. But don't tell me there aren't some in personal posession out there. Not everyone is up to speed on what's going on in the gun community. There should be and should have been a more open announcement to the public.

Perhaps Beretta figures that monetary losses resulting from a few lawsuits would be lower than loss of revenue due to declining sales following an announcement. What's more important - money or the lives of others? In the business world today, I think we all know the answer.

Regards

BUSTER51 · « **Reply #26 on:** September 19, 2006, 07:02:50 AM »

keep it up and I'll be able to buy them cheap ,there is a silver lineing to every cloud.

Brithunter · « **Reply #27 on:** September 19, 2006, 07:30:40 AM »

Hmm I said it at the time and will say it again

Funny how this problem only appeared AFTER Berretta took over control/ownership of both Tikka and Sako. Made me think back to the Berretta 92 pitsol fiasco way back when the slides were spliting annd spitting barrels out

. Berretta fudged it then and low and behold they go and do it again. AND STILL FOLKS BUY BERRETTA'S??

Hmm look how Remington kept their safety catch problems quite as long as possible. I seem to recall it took a death to bring that one out in the open

All this comes down to the final thing THE GREAT GOD EXCESSIVE PROFIT Don't you just hate Accountants

jvs · « **Reply #28 on:** September 19, 2006, 12:11:54 PM »

Quote from: Brithunter on September 19, 2006, 07:30:40 AM

Hmm I said it at the time and will say it again

Funny how this problem only appeared AFTER Berretta took over control/ownership of both Tikka and Sako. Made me think back to the Berretta 92 pitsol fiasco way back when the slides were spliting annd spitting barrels out . Berretta fudged it then and low and behold they go and do it again. AND STILL FOLKS BUY BERRETTA'S??

Hmm look how Remington kept their safety catch problems quite as long as possible. I seem to recall it took a death to bring that one out in the open

All this comes down to the final thing THE GREAT GOD EXCESSIVE PROFIT Don't you just hate Accountants

Yeah, what my Limey Brother said.

longwinters · « **Reply #29 on:** September 19, 2006, 01:33:13 PM »

Well, it certainly was bad news for all of us who had high appreciation for Sako/Tikka. To be honest I have not looked to see if the serial numbers are posted on their web site or not. Although I am sure if a person called them the serial numbers would be provided as they were in the past. I have 4 Sako's in the rack as I write this (however all are blue/walnut) all 75 hunters. Would not get rid of any of them.

And I can see how a person just finding this out could get up tight . . . there sure were a lot of up tight people on the web when it first came out. But Sako is not the only Manufacturer with some dirt on their shoes . . . I still hear people getting all excited about the Remington safety problem and I guess I cannot blame them either.

But to me this topic started out kind of hot, and since it was about beat to death in the past, many are just plain tired of hearing about it. So responses come back kind of hot. . .

I guess we need to cut each other a bit of slack and hope things were posted with best intentions. If not, it will all come out sooner or later as it always does.

Long