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« on: March 29, 2006, 07:52:38 PM »
This came up on the old forum but lots of hecklers were involved and I'd like to see it discussed here again without them. We've added several new members to this forum who weren't even GBO Members before I think. We have some SERIOUS bigfoot researchers among us for sure and I hope to see this take off and do well as it's proven already there is a lot of interest in the subject on GBO.

So let's lay out a scenario like this:

You're out in the woods hunting, matters not what you're hunting but are there legally and with legal firearms for the time and place where you are. The gun in your hands is one that should be adequate for taking of large dangerous animals over 400 pounds who might do you serious bodily harm should you fail to kill it cleanly.

Question one: Would you shoot to kill a bigfoot if he presented himself to you for a shot?

Question two: Why? For what purpose would you take his life.

Question three: If it was obvious he wasn't along and had other members of his clan with him would your answer to question one change? What actions would you take?

Expound and explain as you see fit.


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« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2006, 03:12:51 AM »
Question one: Would you shoot to kill a bigfoot if he presented himself to you for a shot?
1.No,I would not shoot.to human like.and from all that I know.it has never really been a threat to humans.I would want to come back and document it if I could.But I normally always have a camera and would try to take a photo.And for me...hunting is not always about killing something.Question two: Why? For what purpose would you take his life. I would not take it's life.

Question three: If it was obvious he wasn't alone and had other members of his clan with him would your answer to question one change? What actions would you take? Hmmm.No it would not.but I would be fumbling for the camera.and watching in shock and awe.
I have shot monkeys in the jungles..not a good thing at least for me.the others come out of the tree and shout at me and stuff leaves and grass in the bullet hole and try and give comfort to the dead/wounded brother /sister of the clan.
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« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2006, 03:41:07 AM »
No, I would not shoot a bigfoot just to say I did. I don't kill animals for fun. Hunting and killing game I intend to eat is not the same thing. I do shoot predators like coyotes though and feral cats. If I were attacked by a bigfoot, of course I would shoot it, self defense. I take no real pleasure in killing. And GB, thanks for this forum, maybe I'll see some good stories again.  POWDERMAN.  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D
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« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2006, 05:40:27 AM »
Well, first of all, I want to see one of the things. I have been one of the doubters around here, but I have had a few discussions with folks who claim that they have indeed seen the big hairy critters, and plan to look up more folks that have that claim in the near future. There's a fella that's coming to my place this weekend that has a story for me.

Now, lets just say, for the sake of conversation, that they do exist. To me, to have actually seen one would be truly a remarkable experience.

To kill one, I think not. Possibly, if I felt that my life were in danger...well yes, for sure if that were the situation, but just to show the world that it exists, no way.

I realize that there's a great possibility of certain fame and fortune. Books, film rights, etc, probably things that I cannot fathom, and I do understand the motivation behind those that want to kill one, but it seems to me with all the modern technology and method out there in the big world that proof can be had without having to kill one.

Like I said at the beginning, just let me see one, that's all I need. I won't give a tinkers damn if anyone believes me or not, I'm not motivated by fame or $$$, never have been, never will be.
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« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2006, 06:00:57 AM »
Darn tootin,I'd be shootin! :D

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« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2006, 06:11:49 AM »
As most know I'm still a skeptic as to the existence of such a creature. I'm willing to accept his existence if and when I personally see evidence of a convincing nature but not until then.

If I saw one in the scenario I have presented here I just don't think I'd pull the trigger. I'd sure hope for some good photos of it from the camera I always have with me when hunting but I just have no desire to kill one should it really exist. I think the only way I'd  shoot would be if I felt my life was in danger. If lots of them were there and I felt shooting one might require the shooting of more then I'd for sure try to avoid having to fire a shot.

If they exist I feel their numbers can't be very high so I think taking out several of them would be doing them and humanity a grave disservice since numbers of them are so very low. But the real driving force for me in such an encounter is simply the fact I have no malice toward them and no desire to cause harm to them lacking a threat to myself.


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« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2006, 06:29:47 AM »
What I encountered was aggressive...and if I had not left the area...I felt it would have killed me...and if I had a gun....I would have shot it...people call it a Bigfoot or some kind of ape.....but if You ever see one.......and You say to yourself...What is it.....and your mind just draws a blank....then fear sets in...because you are looking at the unknown!

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« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2006, 09:46:18 AM »
The only reason I would ever shoot at one was if it was intending on taking my life or that of my family or friends. And of course in this instance, even if there were others around, I would still shoot the one pertaining danger. :D
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« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2006, 11:17:28 AM »
Would you shoot to kill a bigfoot if he presented himself to you for a shot?

Absolutely not, unless for the same reason some have already mentioned here, if my life or the life of anyone with me was in jeopardy.  

There is a portion of bigfoot researchers that are in favor of killing one, for the sole purpose of presenting science with a specimen, so the mystery can finally be laid to rest.  We've already been waiting for a number of years for the mainstream field of science to take a serious look at this phenomena, there is no harm in having to wait a few more years.  In time, by observation, a viable specimen will be presented, either through death my natural causes or an accident.  It makes no sense to me to simply harvest a specimen for scientific study.  

A autopsy of a dead bigfoot will tell us things like physical makeup, anatomical structure, possibly dietary needs, disease resistance and give us DNA to use for classification.  What it won't give us, and I find more important is whether or not it lives a solitary live, or in family units.  Is it nomadic, migratory, or does it remain in a specific region throughout it's life.  Does it communicate with each other, through a complicated language system, as has been eluded to by some eye witnesses in recent years, or through more simple means like grunts, howls and "wood knockings".  If it does communicate through a language, does it maintain a history of it's origins, or maybe even have a religion.  Does it live a life of self awareness, most often attributed to seperate mankind from the rest of the animal world, or does it simply just exist.  Does it feel emotion, and express it like or unlike we do.  

Think also for a few minutes on the fact that this is a creature that has eluded capture, or even long term research by most, if not all for many years.  The one it's eluded has been us, mankind the number one predator on the planet.  How could it do this, is it possible it's power of reasoning approaches our own?  Many have suggested that this is nothing more than an ape, a descendent from an ancestor such as Gigantopithecus Blackii.  Throughout much of history, there has always been more than one species of hominid, mankind, inhabiting the earth at the same time, until now, with the introduction of modern man.  Modern man, the last surviving species of hominid... or are we?

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« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2006, 11:23:48 AM »
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What I encountered was aggressive...and if I had not left the area...I felt it would have killed me...and if I had a gun....I would have shot it...people call it a Bigfoot or some kind of ape.....but if You ever see one.......and You say to yourself...What is it.....and your mind just draws a blank....then fear sets in...because you are looking at the unknown!


Teufelwald, this is interesting, by what you've said here I'm guessing maybe you live in the Gulf Coast Region, possibly in the Red River Valley area?  Could you give me some more details about your encounter. Please feel free to PM or E-Mail me if you'd rather not have it disclosed publicly, I'm interested to find out more details.  

There seems to be a trend of bigfoot in the Gulf Coast area that has historically been more aggressive then those sighted in other parts of the country, in general.  However there are isolated cases of aggressiveness elsewhere as well.  Thanks.

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« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2006, 12:21:21 PM »
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What I encountered was aggressive...and if I had not left the area...I felt it would have killed me...and if I had a gun....I would have shot it...people call it a Bigfoot or some kind of ape.....but if You ever see one.......and You say to yourself...What is it.....and your mind just draws a blank....then fear sets in...because you are looking at the unknown!


Teufelwald, this is interesting, by what you've said here I'm guessing maybe you live in the Gulf Coast Region, possibly in the Red River Valley area?  Could you give me some more details about your encounter. Please feel free to PM or E-Mail me if you'd rather not have it disclosed publicly, I'm interested to find out more details.  

There seems to be a trend of bigfoot in the Gulf Coast area that has historically been more aggressive then those sighted in other parts of the country, in general.  However there are isolated cases of aggressiveness elsewhere as well.  Thanks.


Mebbe sometime! :-)

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« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2006, 01:14:12 PM »
I would never shoot unless self protection.  Reason: I would be to afraid it was someone in a suit trying to fool with me.  Second reason and the wife thought of this one. He looks to much like one of my relatives! :lol: I would also hate to be the guy that shot the last one of anything!  :D

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« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2006, 03:22:59 PM »
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What I encountered was aggressive...and if I had not left the area...I felt it would have killed me...and if I had a gun....I would have shot it...people call it a Bigfoot or some kind of ape.....but if You ever see one.......and You say to yourself...What is it.....and your mind just draws a blank....then fear sets in...because you are looking at the unknown!


Teufelwald, this is interesting, by what you've said here I'm guessing maybe you live in the Gulf Coast Region, possibly in the Red River Valley area?  Could you give me some more details about your encounter. Please feel free to PM or E-Mail me if you'd rather not have it disclosed publicly, I'm interested to find out more details.  

There seems to be a trend of bigfoot in the Gulf Coast area that has historically been more aggressive then those sighted in other parts of the country, in general.  However there are isolated cases of aggressiveness elsewhere as well.  Thanks.


Mebbe sometime! :-)


I'd like to hear of your encounter too, no hecklers here. POWDERMAN.  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D
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« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2006, 04:08:14 PM »
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What I encountered was aggressive...and if I had not left the area...I felt it would have killed me...and if I had a gun....I would have shot it...people call it a Bigfoot or some kind of ape.....but if You ever see one.......and You say to yourself...What is it.....and your mind just draws a blank....then fear sets in...because you are looking at the unknown!


Teufelwald, this is interesting, by what you've said here I'm guessing maybe you live in the Gulf Coast Region, possibly in the Red River Valley area?  Could you give me some more details about your encounter. Please feel free to PM or E-Mail me if you'd rather not have it disclosed publicly, I'm interested to find out more details.  

There seems to be a trend of bigfoot in the Gulf Coast area that has historically been more aggressive then those sighted in other parts of the country, in general.  However there are isolated cases of aggressiveness elsewhere as well.  Thanks.


Mebbe sometime! :-)


I'd like to hear of your encounter too, no hecklers here. POWDERMAN.  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D


I'd like to hear the tale too!!

I'd never shoot unless I felt I had no choice... :cry:

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« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2006, 04:48:29 PM »
Ok Teufelwald...cough it up! :lol: :-D :D
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« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2006, 05:18:19 PM »
If this sounds out of context...its because I copied it from another web site where I related my encounter...and remember...I'm just a regular guy thats not that good at relating my experience.....so here ya go.


I was down by the Kalamazoo river....about twilight...
I went over by a big oak tree to relieve myself...while doing so...
I was startled by the silhouette...of a man?......it was just a dark shadow like my avatar...taller than me...maybe 6.5.....I started towards it...and it backed up...then I backed up a few steps...and it came forward...we kept up this back and forth...thing...until I started losing the battle of nerves...when it moved forward or backward I heard twigs snap....I didn't want to let it run me off...but it was almost completley dark...losing my nerve I got the heck out of there....
This happened along the...Kalamazoo river...with thick woods on both sides of the river...with a lot of tangled brush....about 9:45- 10:00pm in the summer.

I will say it as plain as I can....what I encountered by the Kalamazoo river (was not friendly)!!
The more I stood my ground...the more stronger it bombarded me with negative vibes...I was not out looking for a BF....whatever it was came to me....my reason for being out there by the river...was that I was waiting on some friends to join me....this was a special place my friends and myself would gather and have campfires...my friends stood me up that night...so I was alone.....Im being dead serious....just before I left...the vibes were getting so hostile that I believe it would have attacked me if I would have stayed any longer.....I ran up the hill onto the RR tracks...I cursed at it...chucked a few RR rocks at it then hauled ass out of there!

A little bit about myself....I played in the woods as a kid....day and night made no difference to me....Ive seen every kind of critter there is in MI. ....At least I thought I had....until my BF encounter....I feel that there may be different types of BFs...Some more agressive than others....Whatever I ran into down by the Kazoo river........was downright hostile......And I know hostile when I come up against it.

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Some of the bigfoot are hostile, some not.  There seem to be different types, and many people other than yourself have proposed this.  Maybe some had some bad experience with humans.  

I think that you reacted with what came natural, and did the right thing by leaving the area
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Chris I think the only audible words I spoke that entire time was when I was leaving.....I said...Ok have it your way Im leaving....

Edit-I just remembered that...That I spoke to it when I was leaving.....
 

Nope Doug....no weapons...not even a pocket knife....
And I am a person animals usually like...
I have been to that place by the river many times growing up....at all times during the day an during the night...it is a beautiful place...very serene place just to go mellow out....My friends I grew up with called the place.....The Tree...Because of the big oak that was hit by lightning....and split in half...half fell across the river...and made a nice place to sit out over the river.....I was as comfortable at the (tree) as in my own bedroom...
But after that encounter with the unknown....I would not be out there alone after dark....and never felt the same about the place[/color][/size]

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« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2006, 07:35:30 PM »
I pullled my SUV out into the middle of a large clear cut in Washington.  Having a few recorded Bigfoot screams on tape, I sent out a round of female howls.  I shortly heard some bipedal pacing footsteps coming from both sides of the clearcut.  Both sounds were about 100 yards away.  Having just come from a location where they came into within 15 feet, I was hoping for something more.  So I let loose another round of Bigfoot screams.  I waited some more.  Still hearing the two on either side of me.  Then I thought I barely heard a faint sound at the far end of the clear cut.  Straining my ears, I realized that it was getting louder.  And louder.  It was the unmistakeable bipedal footstep sound that I had heard earlier, except this one was in a full charge.  And I was coming straight at me.  Starting from about 600 yards out, it had apparently lined up on my speakers and was going to run that line until it found the trespassing bigfoot.  It kept coming and coming.  Having night vision, I  flipped them on but could see nothing but stumps, yet the sound was unmistakeable.  Now quickly coming to the realization that I was about to die, I was determined to get a shot of this on my camcorder.  In slow motion, I found the ON button, and plugged my night vision into the lens.  Upon raising it to my eye, I realized that something had changed.  I dropped the camera, and expected to be staring straight into the glowing eyes of a bigfoot.  But there was nothing in front of me and the bipedal destruction noise had ceased.  Readjusting my hearing direction, I relocated the bigfoot.  It had apparently broken off it's charge and was now drifting towards the trees.  The camcorder noise incredibly, may have given away the secret that I was not a bigfoot.  And since it had no quarrel with a human, it changed it's game plan and was hoping to make the tree line without further interaction.  All while completely invisible.

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« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2006, 09:27:06 PM »
Teufelwald, am I understanding correctly that the aggression was mostly something you "felt" more so than witnessed? I understand your comment about it moving up on you but then you say it also moved away when you moved up on it so in a way that was merely repeating your behavior toward it.

Were there vocalizations accompanying the feeling you had of aggression or arm waving or just what more than an eerie feeling created the perceived agression?

I'm not much of one for being out without a handgun along. Being totally unarmed a larger than you agressive entity human or otherwise calls for a retreat at times.


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« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2006, 01:51:32 AM »
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Teufelwald, am I understanding correctly that the aggression was mostly something you "felt" more so than witnessed? I understand your comment about it moving up on you but then you say it also moved away when you moved up on it so in a way that was merely repeating your behavior toward it.

Were there vocalizations accompanying the feeling you had of aggression or arm waving or just what more than an eerie feeling created the perceived agression?

I'm not much of one for being out without a handgun along. Being totally unarmed a larger than you agressive entity human or otherwise calls for a retreat at times.


I cannot explain it.....at first I was like...am I seeing this?
The aggression I felt kept getting stronger the longer I faced it...was hitting me in waves.....I have never felt anything like it before or since......kinda like if a huge dog stood in front of you and showed his teeth.
There was no sounds made by the creature....just the snapping of sticks as it moved.
It was challenging me to who had the right to be there....and to this day..that still makes me scared and P-O at the same time....this thing was invading my space....and in its unexplainable way was telling me to leave.
This happened back in 1985....I was 25 yrs old...I know...I was stupid for pressing my luck with it.....but for some reason I was not thinking Bigfoot at the time...I just kept thinking what the hell is it?
But it finally sunk in that I was in serious danger.....and that I had better get out fast......to this day I cannot understand why I stood there so long....lucky it did not kill me!
The only thing I can figger is I come up against what people call bigfoot......it maintained about 20ft between us..and had a shaggy type of hair...meaning it was long and skraggly looking from what I could see in the low light condition.
Yep.....whatever they are...they are dangerous!

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« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2006, 12:19:29 PM »
Teufelwald, thanks for sharing your experience.  This isn't the first time I've come across a witness claiming to be hit by "Bad Vibes", or having the impression that the bigfoot actually being the sender.  You compared it to feeling, like if a big dog stood in front of you and showed it's teeth.  Now we don't believe a dog can actually send you psychic impressions, that make you feel one way or another.  Are you sure you aren't simply misinterpreting the basic instinct in us all, that we experience during a fight or flight response?   Outwardly, from what you've reported, I don't see any truly aggressive behavior, and it seems a lot of it is based upon your own perception.  Pesonally, I don't blame you at all for feeling "Bad Vibes".   I probably would as well if I was face to face with a large dark unknown figure in dim lighting, and especially since you had no idea of what it's intent was.

I also see you mentioned it was near some railroad tracks.  A couple of years ago I took an in-depth look at a large number of sighting reports, and sorted out a lot of related specifics of those sightings.  In about 8% of the reports railroad tracks were mentioned as being where the bigfoot was seen, or that there were some very nearby, usually within 1 mile or less.  After checking locations of other sightings on maps, I found the actual number of railroads in areas to be significantly higher.  Whether or not this is of any real significance is hard to say.  I do think it's possible that a bigfoot could be using the tracks as a form of landmark, or as an actual travel route.  I'm aware of animals doing it, so it makes sense that bigfoot might just do the same.

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« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2006, 12:58:55 PM »
I ran into a likely bigfoot that was giving off bad vibes last summer.  After hearing a low growling about 20 to 30 feet in front of me, I focused on that location with my night vision.  Naturally there was nothing visible.  I then noticed that whatever it was, was focusing on me with evil intent, but was not approaching me.  I then walked down the center of the paved road.  It followed in the brush and I could hear it's bipedal footsteps.  I walked about 50 yards down the road and when I stopped, it also stopped in the brush adjacent to my location.  It was not growling anymore, but I could still sense it's evil presence.  So I then returned to my vehicle and noticed multiple benevolent bigfoot type presences on both sides of the road on my return.  When I made it back to my vehicle, the evil presence also arrived at it's original location, but was no longer growling.  The level of evil focus was now slightly subdued, but still present.  All unidentified entiities, were invisible.

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« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2006, 01:23:06 PM »
whiteagle, it seems that your bigfoot encounters always deal with invisible modes.  Could you tell me how you know they are a bigfoot, and not something entirely different?

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« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2006, 02:05:37 PM »
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Teufelwald, thanks for sharing your experience.  This isn't the first time I've come across a witness claiming to be hit by "Bad Vibes", or having the impression that the bigfoot actually being the sender.  You compared it to feeling, like if a big dog stood in front of you and showed it's teeth.  Now we don't believe a dog can actually send you psychic impressions, that make you feel one way or another.  Are you sure you aren't simply misinterpreting the basic instinct in us all, that we experience during a fight or flight response?   Outwardly, from what you've reported, I don't see any truly aggressive behavior, and it seems a lot of it is based upon your own perception.  Pesonally, I don't blame you at all for feeling "Bad Vibes".   I probably would as well if I was face to face with a large dark unknown figure in dim lighting, and especially since you had no idea of what it's intent was.

I also see you mentioned it was near some railroad tracks.  A couple of years ago I took an in-depth look at a large number of sighting reports, and sorted out a lot of related specifics of those sightings.  In about 8% of the reports railroad tracks were mentioned as being where the bigfoot was seen, or that there were some very nearby, usually within 1 mile or less.  After checking locations of other sightings on maps, I found the actual number of railroads in areas to be significantly higher.  Whether or not this is of any real significance is hard to say.  I do think it's possible that a bigfoot could be using the tracks as a form of landmark, or as an actual travel route.  I'm aware of animals doing it, so it makes sense that bigfoot might just do the same.


Yep...see I told ya..the dog analogy was dumb....I just cannot explain how this thing seemed to get in my head....and the bad vibes kept getting stronger until I got away from it.....I know....I know it sounds crazy....thats why I really do not like to talk about it.....unless I would run into someone who has had the same experience.....I know that I myself would not believe it if it had not happened to me!

I would agree with you that these creatures....use rivers and RRs as ways to travel?

A BF researcher who I told my encounter to......said something I have never forgotten...he said that my urinating may have been taken as a challenge...as some preditors mark their territory that way?

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« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2006, 03:52:31 PM »
The dog experience was OK, might I try?? The feeling you had was the same one each and every one of us has felt at one time or another, it's called self preservation. It comes from being in the presence of something, or someone that we are reasonably sure could harm, or kill us if it desired to do so. A wise man backs out of those situations. Self preservation has probably saved our lives more than once. Don't stop posting, we've all had  these feelings. POWDERMAN.  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D
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« Reply #24 on: March 31, 2006, 03:59:57 PM »
I agree that you can "feel" their presence.  There is no feeling that matches it.  In my two encounters, it was this feeling that alerted me to the fact that the creature was stalking me.

I have felt this feeling many times afterward, in certain areas where I hunt, but I have no idea whether it was because one was nearby or whether it was my imagination getting away from me.  In those cases, I did not see one to validate the feeling.

As for shooting it? No, noway, not on my life (literally).  The one I saw was huge, and extremely powerful looking.  I would not attempt to shoot one, for fear of angering it - unless it was obviously attacking already.

The strangest thing in my encounter was that, when I turned to face it, it started swaying back and forth from side to side.  I got the impression that it was either ready to bolt or to attack.  I did not wait around to see which.

On a seperate note, I have heard the famous "howl" on two occasions, both while on my hunting lease near the Sabine river in Texas.  There are many stories and legends of these creatures around that area, that go back to the 1930's and 40's.  On one of these times, I mimicked the howl, which caused the "howler" to respond back.  We kept it up for minutes.  But, I did not have a visual sighting to prove anything.  It could have been an ordinary animal, although I never heard that sound before in my life.  And I have spent many, many days in those woods.

Still, I don't over-speculate.  I have to see something to believe it.

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« Reply #25 on: March 31, 2006, 04:03:07 PM »
Wisil,  The bipedal pattern of twig and branch breaks, that sometimes are accompanied by a bipedal pattern of branches slapping against legs, are what dramatically increases the odds that they are bigfoot.  All occur in the forest.  All of this follows after sending out alleged bigfoot howls.  These noises are then associated with other familiar noises, some of which are purely electromagnetic, as they change forms.  All of which are normally benevolent to me, but nevertheless, quite exciting.
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« Reply #26 on: March 31, 2006, 04:21:00 PM »
No more on these strangest things seen in the woods, or the Bigfoot forums, there is no respect here anymore. A very sad and sorry thing indeed.
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« Reply #27 on: March 31, 2006, 04:28:49 PM »
NO MORE ON THIS FORUM, I will stay on the others, but not this one or the strangest things seen in the woods again.
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« Reply #28 on: April 01, 2006, 02:48:35 PM »
I am, as I have told others, not totally convinced that there is such a creature as that one we are calling Big Foot, but neither am I totally convinced that there isn't.  I have some reasons for being open on the question.

Would I shoot a Big Foot if I encountered one?

I hunt and kill and eat game.
I have humanely "put down" both dogs and horses when necessary.
I worked in armed security several years.
I was prepared to use my weapon if necessary.
I have a concealed carry permit.
I am prepared to use my .41 mag if necessary.
But I have never enjoyed killing anything--except ticks!
When I kill something,
     I always have a feeling of sadness deep inside.
What about Big Foot?
If necessary.
I would to protect myself or others.
I probably would to not let companions down.
Just how humanoid it looked might be a factor.
Just how aggressive it was might be a factor.

A scientific examination of a dead unknown species would be good.
A scientific examination of a live species would be fantastic.
Could one be captured alive?
From the encounter stories that I have read and heard,
     I seriously doubt it.

Graybeard, in his question, posited that we would have a suitable gun, but I can just imagine my thoughts if I encountered one while squirrel hunting:

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« Reply #29 on: April 03, 2006, 03:01:29 PM »
1. Yes I would shoot one.

2. The reason is I feel that until a body is produced then the world at large will not believe it is a real animal. Until it is known as a real animal no real laws will be made to protect it. I am not talking about them few joke laws in some states but real laws to protect them and their land.

3. Well this is a hard to one answer, It would all depend what others was with it and all. If it was younger ones no way would I kill a mother if I know she had young ones.
If it was a group of males again that chances are would be a no shoot as to many cases of them wanting revenge for that sort of thing.
If it was a male with a female with maybe a young one then yes I would shoot the male. Chances are the female would want to protect her young more then going after the one that harmed her mate.

Now if I was with a group of others with fire arms I am not sure what would happen. I would hate to wipe out a few of them just to get the one body I feel is needed. I feel that after the one body is given to science (I do not agree with selling a Bigfoot body) that no others should have to be harmed at all.
I hope that someone finds a dead one or maybe one is hit by a logging truck or something as I feel that would be the safest way to get a body (Well not for the Bigfoot or truck driver :-) ) But after all of these years I just do not think it will happen that way.

One of the main things I am scared of is that they will go extinct before they become known as a real animal. I feel that it would be a shame for such a animal do die away without ever being known as a real animal. I have seen people over the years say that maybe it would be better if that happened as then none would be killed by humans. I say that is just wrong and that any animal that has done such a good job of living on this earth and staying hidden from humans should be known as a real animal before they become extinct.