Author Topic: IMO Bigfoot does not exist-plain & simple..... (Read 8401 times)

379 Peterbilt · « **on:** March 17, 2006, 05:01:11 PM »

No offense to yall bigfoot believers, but I say that the existance of the yetifolk are nothing but a pipe dream.

My reasoning for this statement you ask???

Because nobody has produced a body yet.

Stories/tales/fakePics/lengendaryfolkLore/etc...

Indiantales/sounds/rockthrowing/shadows/sounds/noises/etc...

howling/myland/yourland/aledged/bigfootscat/beddingareas/smells.............ect....etc....etc....

Aledgedly/suposedly, yada yada yada yada.....

SHOW ME THE BODY !!!

(Honest to GOD, I would love for someone to prove me wrong on my disbelief of the yetiman here)

Note to the bigfoot believers, I am not trying to jerk yer chain. I offer this as good respectfull debate, nothing more........

carry on.....

Graybeard · « **Reply #1 on:** March 17, 2006, 05:25:08 PM »

That's a bit closed minded don't ya think? New species are being identified all the time and we often find that things thought long extinct some times aren't. Lack of proof YET don't mean it doesn't exist just that it's not yet proven to eixist.

Me I'll remain a skeptic as to whether it does or doesn't until I see conclusive evidence one way or the other. So far I've seen nothing to cause me to believe Bigfoot does exist but I've seen no conclusive evidence it doesn't either. I'm willing to believe he exists but it will take some strong evidence. For sure someone's story of seeing him ain't gonna cut it nor is some blurred image that might be a tree or might be a bigfoot or might be faked all together.

Yup a dead body would do it. So would hair/blood samples tested in a well known pathology lab saying this definitely comes from a creature totally unknown to us todate, it appears to be from a bbbbbigfoot or some other such creature. :eek:

WmRoy · « **Reply #2 on:** March 17, 2006, 06:34:22 PM »

Post subject: Bigfoot does not exist-plain & simple.....

Funny this doesn't sound like an invitation to a debate...... more like picking a fight! It seems to me that the 'believers' have taken enough of a beating in the last few days...... I don't see what you're trying to do, but no good can come of it that's for sure!

If you really want to debate 'bigfoot' go to one of the 'real' bigfoot forums on the web and debate some 'real' bigfoot experts...... this is not a 'real' bigfoot forum. Hence the name "strange things seen while in the outdoors"..... bigfoot is just one of many topics discussed and honestly very few or possibly no one here is a 'real' bigfoot expert!

I honestly think it's time for the skeptics to move on and lighten up...... let everybody have their fun....... you've had yours!

God Bless

379 Peterbilt · « **Reply #3 on:** March 18, 2006, 02:43:04 AM »

Not picking a fight. Re-read the line I wrote in blue font.

There is just to much shaky camera footage, blurred photos, and odd stories these days.

If someone can prove the existance of BF, I will be the first to admit I am wrong.

Sorry for the sceptisism, but countless millions of dollars and manhours have been invested, yet nothing to show for it.

Show me the body......

WmRoy · « **Reply #4 on:** March 18, 2006, 02:51:49 AM »

I saw the blue..... but that's a contradiction to the 'title' of the thread.

You can't say 'absolutely no way is this or that' and then say but let's debate it....... that's just goofy....... not saying you're goofy...... just that the statement is.

I still think this is just another attempt to open a thread were you and Nonya will tag team and offer no proof against BF just say over and over show me the body! Again if you want an intelligent debate on BF, I suggest going to a full blown BF forum...... there are many out there and many offer very detailed information on the print casts, photos, etc. that do exsist..... of course 'debating' these guys/gals will require doing alittle research and just a 'show me the body' will get you no where.

Let the 'believers' have their day. Their posts are a heck of alot more fun to read than the tired old 'show me the body' line...............

No dis-respect meant, just it's time to lighten up and let the 'other side' have time to lick their wounds.......... given most were self inflicted but none the less...... time to be a bigger man and back off...........

God Bless

bullet maker · « **Reply #5 on:** March 18, 2006, 02:55:28 AM »

And thats what it will take,--a body. Cause you could have the best picture in the world, and it will not prove anything. I do believe one will be taken this year, course we say that every year, but when it happenes, it will turn the scientific community on its ear.

Let us not forget that these animals have been here forever, before white settlement, and is told about in folklore. There are reports out their, but since the reports come from regular people, its not accepted. I`m not saying it should be accepted, for from the scientific line of reasoning there does need to be solid proof--a body. Its hard for city people to accept them, and so it should be, but the very rural people that happen to live where these animals are, its not so hard for them to believe, because they have seen one of known of a personel friend that have.

I got a lot of good old boy hillbillies out here that can (if they know you), alot of first person sightings.

bullet maker

kyote · « **Reply #6 on:** March 18, 2006, 02:58:44 AM »

well they have to be real.in montana they have found that the species that live there in the remote inaccesible areas are in fact cannibals.and is a contributing factor as to why the remains of the of the dead ones or never found.and studys are being made as we speak of the others around the world to see if in fact if they practice cannibalisim.there is an unreleased photo of a tribe of them eating what looks to be a bear.but we now in fact believe it to be ole granpa big foot.and this would contribute to why we are finding so much big foot droppings in areas of many sightings.keep your film dry and be ready..

bullet maker · « **Reply #7 on:** March 18, 2006, 03:10:20 AM »

WmRoy is right on this,----- their has been a few that have just made a mess of anybody wanting to post. The few hecklers, that I`m referring to, you all know them,--- they have been personnely attacking me for about 2 months now, and the strange thing about it, is they are bigfoot hunters, and believers. No they wont ever give their strory, they never have to date, on this forum they have not. But even though they are believers, there consistent name calling have made them look like non-believrs,

So other would be posters, cant take that type of personnel and constant harrasment. These same people have another web-site they go to and spell all the beans going on over here. And have even gone as far as using my real last name on that site. Which I believe on most site, thats a no-no.

But if you all can remember, back before all this rugus started, and maybe a little longer, I got a few of these people to tell their own personnel story`s, I dare not do that now. Mainly because of the above people I was referring to.

bullet maker

379 Peterbilt · « **Reply #8 on:** March 18, 2006, 03:11:22 AM »

wmRoy

yeah, my subject title should have included "it's my opinion that..."

Sorry for the confusion, my bad.

And yes, I can't "prove" BF does not exist, but geeze, c'mon.

I hope you understand the sceptisism here. If there are countless and endless "reports/accounts" of "sightings" wouldnt it stand to reason that one, just one yetifolk would have been shot or captured???

This stuff has been going on supposedly for centuries, yet we have zero solid proof.

Yall believers can jump me and pile on ifya like, it's all good. No hard feelings whatsoever.

Carry on....

379 Peterbilt · « **Reply #9 on:** March 18, 2006, 03:18:45 AM »

Oh, and BullitMaker - You seem to be taking the brunt of the abuse. I hope you dont feel this thread is aimed at you. It was NOT. I like reading your stories. They are interesting. (Not nessessarly believable tho)

The jist of this thread is this - Do you understand why we are so sceptical of BF existing??

If BF does exist, he must be far smarter than "man" for being so evasive for all these thousands of years.

No offense and none taken...

bullet maker · « **Reply #10 on:** March 18, 2006, 03:51:06 AM »

379 Peterbuilt

No, I do not take it as a attack on me. I think as much crap that I`ve taken from those two, and sometimes three guys, (you all know who I`m referring to, if you dont, read the earlier post and even one of them today came on again) Now their goes beyond discussions, to and out right personnel attack.

But you Peterbuilt have raised a valid question, and we all agree with you, that yes it is hard they exist untill one is killed. Course that won`t make the PETA

Nor the tree hugg :-D ers, nor the lets make peace--not war crowd. :-D :-D

To answer your question, (and yes I am somewhat of an expert, in that I have seen these creatures, up close, and far away). No1. Most people`s brain, doesnt register what they have just seen. Why--? because its not in the computor of the brain, that is to say, we recognize, everthing that we see daily, but throw something unusual into the computor brain, and we become brainlocked. By the time we understand, thats its not ever been seen before, their it goes out of sight. So most people or left with,---(did I see what I thought I saw),
Now couple that with a mature old deer buck. They are the hardest animals to hunt in the world, besides bigfoot. Why?----because they learn to adapt, and learn--man is dangerous. So therefore, and its a proven fact, most deer hunters only harvest a younger to a 2 year old deer pretty easily. Now when it gets to a big old mature 5-7 year old, than its very,--very-- unusual for one of them to even be seen. So multiply bigfoot by 100 times harder than the old buck, and you now see.

bullet maker

379 Peterbilt · « **Reply #11 on:** March 18, 2006, 04:03:30 AM »

Gracious relpy, Bullet Maker. Well said as per making your points.

I wish you all well in finding the mighty yetibeast.

I highly doubt BF will ever be proven, but I wish you good luck......

For what it's worth - I will be moose hunting in Alaska this year, hundreds of miles from the nearest road. If I see any sign of BF whatsoever, I will report back...(grin)

Good hunting...

bullet maker · « **Reply #12 on:** March 18, 2006, 04:04:52 AM »

Quote from: kyote

well they have to be real.in montana they have found that the species that live there in the remote inaccesible areas are in fact cannibals.and is a contributing factor as to why the remains of the of the dead ones or never found.and studys are being made as we speak of the others around the world to see if in fact if they practice cannibalisim.there is an unreleased photo of a tribe of them eating what looks to be a bear.but we now in fact believe it to be ole granpa big foot.and this would contribute to why we are finding so much big foot droppings in areas of many sightings.keep your film dry and be ready..

Very good kyote, I`ve never thought about that before , but it would explaine alot, especially why we havent found any bones or a dead bigfoot.

I also like your

(My hunting rifle is safe from confication only while my Battle rifle protects it.)

bullet maker---Semper Fi

bullet maker · « **Reply #13 on:** March 18, 2006, 06:27:32 AM »

Quote from: 379 Peterbilt

Gracious relpy, Bullet Maker. Well said as per making your points.

I wish you all well in finding the mighty yetibeast.

I highly doubt BF will ever be proven, but I wish you good luck......

For what it's worth - I will be moose hunting in Alaska this year, hundreds of miles from the nearest road. If I see any sign of BF whatsoever, I will report back...(grin)

Good hunting...

Your a very lucky-lucky guy. to get to go Moose hunting and live close enough to do it. Yes by all means look for bigfoot tracks and ask around the locals about what stories if any, they have heard.

Now back to the Moose you are going to be hunting for, ---I`m here to say, that I`v only tasted Moose one time. and it was the best tasting meat I have ever had. A couple of years ago, I was sitting in a bar, in Claremore, Okla. It was one of those extremly hot--101 degrees day, with high humidity. So I went in for a frosty cold beer. Me and the guy next to me got to talking, and he was a doctor, and had just got back from a hunt with Moose and Black bear. I dont remeber where he said he had been hunting at, but he invited me to take some of the meat, which was iced down in a hugh cooler, in the bed of his truck. Well I was ready to go anyhow so I took him up on his offer. He offered me both black bear and moose, but I only took the moose. It was a hugh 12 chuck of meat. I thanked him and that night I cooked some up. WOW, what a delight. It was better than any t-bone steak, that was for sure. Even today, I think about that meat. I`m not telling a lie, that if a truck pulled up in my front yard with half of it loaded with t-bone steaks, and the other half moose, I would take the moose everytime. Thats how good they are.

So when you cook up some of that meat, think of me.

bullet maker

NONYA · « **Reply #14 on:** March 18, 2006, 09:33:06 AM »

So its ok to talk about a mystical animal that exists on a seperate plane and controls peoples minds and cameras but its not ok to say you dont believe it?ROFL not 1 piece of physical evidence after 200+ years of people living here and living in the woods,hunting,camping,mining,ect.We dig 20 million year old skeletons of 10 ton monsters out of the rock up here in MT but u guys cant find one piece of evidence proving these "monsters" ever existed...now thats a fact... :roll: :roll:

Telahnay's g'son · « **Reply #15 on:** March 18, 2006, 09:45:34 AM »

Telahnay's g'son, you were out of line. That's about as close to a personal attack as you can come if it wasn't one.

ONE MORE TIME and guess who is HISTORY here? Yup YOU! I'm tired of typing warnings. The next time you break ANY RULE to include what you did here and you membership ends. Graybeard

Glanceblamm · « **Reply #16 on:** March 18, 2006, 04:37:26 PM »

Bullet maker wrote:

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I`m not telling a lie, that if a truck pulled up in my front yard with half of it loaded with t-bone steaks, and the other half moose, I would take the moose everytime. Thats how good they are.

Bullet maker
I heard a very similar story from a local. Wouldnt share any meat though. Guess he had to share the 800lb cow with three others though. You would have thought that he would throw me a morsel :? :-D

bullet maker · « **Reply #17 on:** March 18, 2006, 04:54:33 PM »

Hi glanceblamm, thats pretty cold, if the guy had that much meat, and wouldnt share it. I`ll tell you what, if you havent eaten any, your missing one of the most delecious meat anywhere. I still dream of that moose meat. Well now that I got myself a new truck and 5th wheel, maybe, I can go get me one someday. I just chicken fried it in a cast iron skillet, over a hickory wood fire. Made me a salad with a baked potato and a can of pork-n-beans with ice tea to drink and it was better than any fancy 5 star resturant. And it didnt cost me $65
for the meal either

. Now I know I just made a bunch of you-all hungry, but I waited to post this late, a hoping youns had already had your dinner.

bullet maker

NONYA · « **Reply #18 on:** March 18, 2006, 05:16:30 PM »

Kyote where are you getting this cannibal bigfoot info about MT,are you sure you arnt talking about a cannibal indian tribe? :eek:

SoloKane · « **Reply #19 on:** March 18, 2006, 05:17:41 PM »

I don't understand why you nonbelievers bother posting about Bigfoot. I mean, why do you spend time thinking about something that you don't believe even exists?

I only "believe" in them because I saw one. Actaually, I only think about them because I saw one, that's more accurate. Before that, I had no interest in them, and no opinion.

What gives with you guys?

WmRoy · « **Reply #20 on:** March 18, 2006, 05:24:57 PM »

SoloKane,

Have you posted your sighting here? If so please post a link....

Thanks!

Skeeterbaymac · « **Reply #21 on:** March 18, 2006, 05:51:28 PM »

I just don't get what all the fuss is about. Some folks believe and others don't. But why get upset with someone that does or does not believe.

Now me I have to question if BF's are real I guess you could say I am highly skeptical, but I must keep an open mind. I will never say someone else is telling stories or making false reports ect. because I was not with them when they had there BF sighting/experiance. I am skeptical because I have never found one, seen one, seen a body or a track. Does this mean they are not real, not by a long shot.

For years the state of Maine and most folks claimed Maine had no mountain lions in it. But I knew a retired game warden that told me of seeing one. Now I had never seen a track of a mountain lion or seen a lion in all my time in the big woods. But I knew this man and if he told me he had seen a mountain lion in Maine then there was mountain lions in Maine. Just that simple his word was gold to all that knew him. Years later folks get pictures of them and tracks and the state looks into it and says yep we got them. I didn't need the state to tell me we had them. My friends word was good enough for me.

The point to all this is we each have our own reasons for thinking the way we do. For all I know one of you are as honorable as my friend. Who am I to question your credibility when I was not there or don't know you. While I tend to lurk in the gun section of this web site I do go to this forum to read the threads. Listening to other folks stories and experiances is interesting and educational. I will never find myself making claims agianst someones thread. If I don't think the story is true I will just move on to the next story. Why get everyone all worked up? I may be the one that is wrong!

Gray Beard: My hat goes off to you! This is the best site on the web! Thank You sir!

NONYA · « **Reply #22 on:** March 18, 2006, 06:29:21 PM »

"I will never find myself making claims agianst someones thread" lol you just did..those of us that are skeptical and tired of the radical claims of people that say things like woodpeckers diggin at trees are actually bigfeet communicating with morris code can only sit idle for so long before we try to reason with them.It goes WAY beyond an undiscovered primate in the woods,these things are supposed to have mind control,mental telepathy,invisible cloaks,the ability to control cameras from a great distance,2 way morris code(aka woodpeckers),undergorund tunnel systems like the vietcong,ect,the list is never ending.Is it possible there is a yet undiscovered spiecies of primate in the woods of the united states?YES.Probable?NO. One with all this other crap I just listed?HELL NO!

JPSaxMan · « **Reply #23 on:** March 18, 2006, 07:12:46 PM »

Here's an honest question: Isn't Sasquatch listed on the Endangered Species list? Or was that some line of crap I heard somewhere? :?

I had posted something over at Kiamichi Giants about my possible story of bigfoot. People can and will take it as they like, but it's my theory, and man am I sticking to it

WmRoy · « **Reply #24 on:** March 18, 2006, 07:28:21 PM »

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can only sit idle for so long before we try to reason with them.

Nonya, here's the rub.......... whereas I agree with 'most' of your last post..... YOU DO NOT TRY TO REASON WITH PEOPLE..... be honest you know just as well as the rest of us that your responses are belittling and generally condescending in nature.

If you feel these folks are fooling themselves and living in a fantasy world what harm is there in your keeping quiet and letting them live in peace? Rather than having to chop people down and ridicule them....

If you want to ridicule folks for their 'goofy' (to you anyways) ideas and beliefs go to this web-site.......... heck they have folks that believe the Earth is hollow and that 'Lion Faced' Beings are hiding among us...... now these folks are whacked!!

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/

Enjoy yourself!

And Nonya, don't think for a moment that when I'm telling folks here that things need to cool down that I'm talking directly to you..... there's more than enough blame to go around...

NONYA · « **Reply #25 on:** March 18, 2006, 08:59:08 PM »

Yhe...thats way more strange than a giant ape living in the woods behind our homes that can control our minds and communicate through mental telepathy,or the ones the are invisible to us because they actually exist on another plane and just pop over for a vist from time to time?Did you find that codescending?Sorry if you did but im repeating exactly what these guys are telling me is going on,if it sounds condescending then they dont have much faith in thier belief.And who are you to tell any of us we are out of line?If no forum rules are being broken and nobody is out of line do you think we need you to drop in and regulate?Your posts have been about us,not the topic in general but about someone having an opinion that differs from anothers and having the nerve to share it here in a public forum,thank the Lord we have you here to play admin at times like these when for the most part everyone is getting along great and enjoying the back and forth sharing of personal opinions,we have somthing called freedom of speech in this country and as long as we arnt breaking GBs rules i think you should give us a break!BTW I just got done trying to reason with you,incase you didnt notice. :roll:

WmRoy · « **Reply #26 on:** March 19, 2006, 03:21:24 AM »

If no rules are being broken then why have 2 threads been locked down?

But I have accomplished my goal if you in fact tone it down for a while..... :-D

But you still haven't told me how it harms you to let these guys live in their own little world down here? And if you re-read WhiteFeather's (or what ever his handle is) posts, I believe he in fact is making a parody
and doesn't believe what he's saying either..... in fact I made a comment in one of those threads myself....... so it doesn't seem that you need to rise up and slap him into the real world. :eek:

Personally, I like the goofy stories..... they go good with a cup of morning coffee.

oh..... and I'm the kind of guy who scolds anybodies kids when they're are out of line........ I don't care if they're mine or not...... it embarasses my own kids, but manners are sorrily lacking in this world.

God Bless

Savage .250 · « **Reply #27 on:** March 19, 2006, 04:52:04 AM »

Quote from: SoloKane

I don't understand why you nonbelievers bother posting about Bigfoot. I mean, why do you spend time thinking about something that you don't believe even exists?

I only "believe" in them because I saw one. Actaually, I only think about them because I saw one, that's more accurate. Before that, I had no interest in them, and no opinion.

What gives with you guys?

You "saw one" and don`t give any details of the sighting? You`ve got a
chance to convert some to believers but offer no follow up with infinite
details that you and and only a few others around the world have ever
had. What`s up with that?
You`ve got a forum to bolster the case for the "hairy one" but instead
all you said is ."i saw one."
No wonder "believers" are always under the gun. Seems like nothing
but smoke an mirrors and no facts or hard evidence.
I don`t question your statement one bit but i do question why you
didn`t feel obliged to make your case as in details,details,details!
I, for one, would like to hear the story of your encounter.

JPSaxMan · « **Reply #28 on:** March 19, 2006, 05:21:19 AM »

Quote from: WmRoy

If no rules are being broken then why have 2 threads been locked down?

I think there were more than that :eek:

Graybeard · « **Reply #29 on:** March 19, 2006, 06:12:28 AM »

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If no rules are being broken then why have 2 threads been locked down?

NOT because of any posts made my Nonya!

The offending ones are residents of OK and former friends who have decided they can ignore GBO rules and have a private argument here on these forums in spite of numerous warnings to the contrary. Each of them have now had their last warning. Next violation results in loss of their membership.

The funny thing is both sides think I'm picking on them and giving the other special treatment. :eek: But further rules violations will allow them to feel real special as outsiders here looking in wondering why they couldn't follow my simple rules.

Nonya's had his share of warnings in the past too but at this time I don't see his posts as a problem. If anything they are helping to get the other guys to stop fussing at each other and fuss at him.

At least when fussing at him they don't feel the need to cuss and rant so much.