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Ford Tritons Blowing out Spark Plugs?
« on: March 12, 2006, 06:10:51 PM »
I have heard the Ford 5.4 engines tend to spit out spark plugs from time to time.  I'm wondering just how often it really happens.  I have had no problems with my 2001 truck but this plug thing worries me.  A guy I work with says his 1999 truck spit out two plugs before he got rid of it.  It's always bad if you are the one it happens to, but I'm trying to find out just how often it happens.  So...for those that have the 5.4 Ford engines, who has and has not had spark plug problems?
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« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2006, 01:02:30 PM »
Your going to probably get a lot of feedback on this thats been circulating around the net. And most of it is pure BS. The only reason an engine would spit out a plug is if it wasn't tightened down properly in the first place. PERIOD! Not to say that can't come from the factory like that cause it can. But it would be very rare. Your going to here about a plug hole that only has 3 threads in it. Thats BS. Why would one hole be any different than any other? If ford was putting out a defect like that it would kill their market share. There is nothing wrong with the 5.4 or any other engine ford puts in their trucks. They did have a problem with fuel injectors on the super duty for a couple of years, 02-03 if I'm not mistaken but they have repaired those that had trouble.

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« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2006, 02:51:12 PM »
Spitting out plugs :-D pure BS....... BUT There are some particular ignition problems the ford SOHC engines are prone to.

  Due to the fact that the plugs on the SOHC modular V8's are recessed into a very small but deep recessed aera of the heads that completely lacks drainage a wet engine= walking. Also for the same reason any kind of oil leakage from the valve covers tends to have the same result only with lots of smoke.
 Fried plug wires are also common as again there is very high heat buildup again due to the "hidden" plug wires.

 So in other words nothing good maintenece won't take care of.

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« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2006, 04:11:34 PM »
krochus does have a point. I can tell you for a fact that the pre-04 models are a real pain to change plugs on. You will remove a lot of crap and tear you arms up pretty good doing it. Luckily they have 100,000 mile plugs.

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« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2006, 11:18:25 PM »
Just happened to the brother in law,spit out the #3 plug, he has an 03 f-350 with the V-10. Ford charged him $2200 to helicoil it.. :shock:
I told him the next time it happens go buy the  helicoil kit and I will do it for $500.. :wink:
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Re: Ford Tritons Blowing out Spark Plugs?
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2006, 06:26:55 PM »
my company truck also spit the #3 pug out last winter on the way home in the snow. we didnt have any tools with us so we cuaght a ride to the nearest town and bought some handtools. put the plug back in and tightened being careful not to overtighten becuase i was afraid the threads were too far gone. weve drove the truck ever since and it hasnt done it again but we called our local mechanic and he talked like it was a very common problem and he had fixed several.

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Re: Ford Tritons Blowing out Spark Plugs?
« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2006, 07:59:24 AM »
my 02 f250 shot #3 out.ford has a kit to fix it,$1800 for a new head,gasket and studs.labor is another 2000.00!!!! from 1997 to 2005 4.8,5.4 and v 10's do this,but ford sayes it dont have a problem.aluminum heads with 4 threads for the plug.
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Re: Ford Tritons Blowing out Spark Plugs?
« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2006, 12:26:33 PM »
My wife's 1998 Expedition blew out a plug also!!! The local Ford dealership has had several of these things happen in the last few years. They were very familiar with the problem!!! Why no recall on this obvious defect??? ??? Just lucky that it happened in my drive way and not out in the desert somewhere!!! >:(

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« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2006, 05:16:49 PM »
Just happened to the Brother in law again this past sunday, same truck as in my previous post, just a different cylinder. For something that is "pure BS" it sure is happening a-lot... ::)
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« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2006, 05:23:00 PM »
 I must say this is a most interesting turn of events.  BUT....... Are you guy'es fords blowing out the original plugs. Or have they been "changed" before you guys begin havin problems.

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« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2006, 05:58:40 PM »
In this case it's the orignal factory plugs. I got to talk to the guy who owns the ford dealership today when I towed the truck in. He admitted it is a common
poblem with all Triton V-8's and V-10's. The bro-in-law is going to try to get it fixed on fords dime this time since it's the second time it happened, but I bet I will be the one who end's up doing the work, cause I'm sure ford will want another $2200 to fix it again.
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« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2006, 12:15:10 AM »
 I'll bet when it comes time fro a recall Ford will find some way to place the blame on Champion, Just like they did Firestone with the Exploders. Ralph Nader wrote a book about how dangerous the Corvair was with its swing arm rear suspension. Yet nobody commented on how the Ford Exploders used a swing arm FRONT SUSPENSION. ::)

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Re: Ford Tritons Blowing out Spark Plugs?
« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2006, 01:49:30 PM »
Read about them here too, guys.  Its a pretty good website; they have plenty of, as it says, consumer affairs regarding many products.

Consumer Affairs

The page is a little long, so bring a chair and some coffee.  Note, this is NOT intended as a shot at Ford or a bash, but it seems to be quite a widespread problem, as evidenced by the testimony involved there.

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Re: Ford Tritons Blowing out Spark Plugs?
« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2006, 04:27:00 PM »
Wow, apparently Consumer Affairs has collected quite a few complaints haven't they.

I read up on this issue a little and somewhere I picked up the notion that the plugs need to be retorqued at about half their estimated life, i.e. at about 50K miles or so.  I went with the logic that if you are going to retorqued them you might as well change them out.  I half expected to find some plugs a little loss but actually they were in there very tight.  Tighter than I really thought they should be.  I went ahead and changed them out and torqued the new plugs with a real torque wrench but really....they appeared to be just fine.  I've put about 4k on the new plugs so far and they appear fine also--so far.  Those rascals are recessed in there pretty far.

So my experience so far has been has been great but I'm still a little concerned.

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Re: Ford Tritons Blowing out Spark Plugs?
« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2006, 06:19:53 AM »
there is only 4 threads holding that plug in,in aluminum!! :o go to the ford truck forum and see how many 4.6,5.4 and v-10's shoot plugs out. ???
ford doesn't want to fix it,it would bankrupt them!
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Re: Ford Tritons Blowing out Spark Plugs?
« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2006, 04:13:42 PM »
just a thought, but what i have heard from the ford boys at work is to let your truck cool overnight before you try to change the plugs. if you change them hot they will strip out.this is a big prob with the new ford engines from what ive heard. im sure they wont try any harder to fix this prob than any of the other ones they have created.

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Re: Ford Tritons Blowing out Spark Plugs?
« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2006, 04:26:13 AM »
Kind of makes me glad I drive a 1990 f-250 4X4 with a 460 in it.  All cast iron.  Just spent about $1500 to rebuild engine, replace clutch, etc.  I think I made the right choice rather than get a new Ford truck.

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« Reply #17 on: December 24, 2006, 05:53:10 AM »
Mostly older vehicles...Ford fixed this in the newer vehicles ('04-present)
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Re: Ford Tritons Blowing out Spark Plugs?
« Reply #18 on: December 25, 2006, 08:41:25 AM »
On the earlier models they had some heads come out of the factory and the sparkplug holes were drilled off center and they'd blow the plugs out. Thats what the ford dealer told us. Its not a common problem though.

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Re: Ford Tritons Blowing out Spark Plugs?
« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2007, 10:55:34 PM »
Had an F-150 with a 4.6 engine.  After the third plug blew I got rid of the truck.  First one happened just one block from the Ford dealership.  The second one happened while they had it in for service.  The third one blew while I was on the highway to Anchorage.  180 mile tow $800.00 tow bill, back to Fairbanks.  Dealer lied said they had never herd of it happening.  Found out from another garage that it is a common occurance.  That's when I decided to get rid of the truck.
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« Reply #20 on: November 17, 2007, 06:54:40 PM »
I had pretty much forgotten about this issue but I happened to find this TSB over on an Ford F150 web site today.  My truck is still doing fine but this TSB (if true) lends more credibility that there is a spark plug problem with some ford vehicles.

Vehicles affected:
1997 t-birds, 97-04 mustangs, 97-08 crown vics, 97-99 f 250, 97-04 expedition, 97-08 E series and F 150, 98-04 f-53 motorhome, and F superduty, 01-05 excrusion, 02-06 explorer, 97-07 town car, 98-99 navigator, 1997 cougar, 97-08 grand marquis, 02-06 mountaineer.

Issue:  Some 1997-2008 vehicles equipped with a 4.6L 2V, 5.4L 2V, or 6.8L 2 V engine and aluminum cylinder heads may experience a spark plug port with stripped or missing threads.

Action:   Follow the Service Procedure steps to correct the condition for non warrantable repairs.

Service Procedure:  Ford Motor Company now authorizes LOCK-N-STITCH aluminum insert and tool kit as a proper repair procedure. Follow the procedure included in the tool kit for using the tools and inserts.  Tool kits and inserts can be ordered from Rotunda by calling 1-800 Rotunda (768-8632). Choose option (2), part number 302-00001.

Note: The repairs with inserts and LOCK-N-STITCH tools do not affect heat transfer between plug and head.

Note: This procedure IS NOT AUTHORIZED AS A WARRANTY REPAIR. For vehicles in warranty replacement of cylinder head is recommended.

Note: This is the only Ford authorized procedure for spark plug thread repairs.

Note: This procedure is authorized for ESP repairs and retail repairs.

END of TSB

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Re: Ford Tritons Blowing out Spark Plugs?
« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2007, 09:31:21 PM »
Just talked with a friend of mine at our gun club meeting tonight. He's a part manager for a Ford dealership. He can only recall of 2 times the dealership he works for, ever having to work on this problem. Both times it's been the 5.4 engine. And Ford now recommends before changing the plugs, let the engine sit overnight. I had to put in a heli-coil in a 1966 Harley because the threads  stripped out. And they had aluminum heads. My dad worked for Pratt-Whitney before WWII, and an aircraft mechanic in the Marine's during the war,(among other duty's) and he told me they always let the engines cool down before replacing plugs. Just because of the expansion and contraction rate of aluminum.  gypsyman
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Re: Ford Tritons Blowing out Spark Plugs?
« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2007, 01:46:04 PM »
This is a 100 % NON BS issue and many have paid big bucks for a fix. I did think they fixed the issue in 2004 and have not heard of the newer engines, especially the 5.4 doing this. Anyone with 2004 or later have this issue?

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Re: Ford Tritons Blowing out Spark Plugs?
« Reply #23 on: December 24, 2007, 01:07:04 PM »
Over the past 6 years I've owned a 99 f250, 2001 E-150, 2001 Expedition, and presently a 2003 f250. I've had one problem with a plug blowing out. but the transmissions in the first three had to be rebuilt. The E-150 at 58,000 miles.
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« Reply #24 on: December 29, 2007, 08:30:50 PM »
Ford dealer put heli-coils in mine, and said if I wanted the head replaced I would have to pay for it.  Since I usually go up the Haul Road, (the road that runs along the Alaska Oil Pipeline), twice a year, and the nearest repair shop is 400 miles away, I did not trust the truck.  If the spark plugs blew with the original head, they would blow with the replacement head, since it was still the same design head.  I also drive to Anchorage from Fairbanks (380 miles) five or six times a year.  With temperatures sometimes 45 to 50 below Zero, I can not afford to have a defective vehicle, with my family inside.  I won't own another Ford Truck with a gasoline engine till they get this defect fixed.  I now drive a Diesel truck.
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Re: Ford Tritons Blowing out Spark Plugs?
« Reply #25 on: December 30, 2007, 02:48:17 AM »
Doesn't the Heli-coil have more strength than without?

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« Reply #26 on: January 01, 2008, 04:28:43 AM »
There are several types of Heli Coil.

The first type that was developed looked like a spring.

You drilled out the hole a little and then you threaded it and then you wound in the Heli Coil with a special tool.

For a simple repair - where you were not going to take it in and out all the time - it was good enough.

The second type was one where you just threaded the hole to a bigger size and let the tap remove the material.  You then wound in an insert and had to have a special a special wrench that wound it in by the fingers that sticks out of the insert.  Once it bottoms out - you tap the fingers into the hole and that is it.

With a couple of drops of RED Loctite - I will guarantee you that it will not come out as long as the head temp stays below 500*

As far as a diesel being better than a gasoline - good luck!

45 - 50* Below is not Diesel weather.

We had a Ford Truck in our fleet, it was a 1 ton with a diesel engine, dual wheels, we used it to haul a 28' trailer for work purposes.

None of the guys that drove it had any experience with diesels.  They would fill it up before they brought it back.  Once it came back, sometimes it sat for 2 to 3 weeks at a time.  One day my brother went to take it on a trip to New York and he made it about 10 miles before the fuel started to gel up.  He was afraid to stop, because once it shuts off - you are looking at a major repair bill.  Replace all the fuel filters, a tow, rent a second truck, put it in a garage to thaw out.

He couldn't buy any diesel fuel conditioner where he was at and so he detoured to my house and we went to a store and bought 10 gallons of Kerosene.  At - 15* outside, buying kerosene and then dumping two 5 gallon cans into the truck wasn't my idea of fun.  We ran it 20 miles and then we put  a can of conditioner -  into it.  Then we had to worry about if we cut it back too far and maybe the engine would over heat.  How we got the 10 gallons of Kerosene into it - I don't know.  We just kept dumping and shaking the truck until we got it all in.

Anyone that spends any amount of time in Alaska would tell you that the extreme conditions makes it a whole other ball game when it comes to automotive parts and how long they will last in the bitter cold.  Steel will snap and aluminum is no better!

If your Ford Head was Aluminum - my guess would be that the Alloy that they made the head out of was not the right one for the application.  BUT, you can weld the holes shut and thread again - and the new hole would be as good as or better than the original one.  We do it to racing heads for our stock-car all the time.

The 2008 Ford trucks comes with heated tailgates - so your hands don't get cold - when you push it home!

All service and repair manuals tell you to let a vehicle sit for at least 8 hours before you try to remove the spark plugs in an aluminum head.  The steel plug welds its self to the aluminum and when you try to take it out - you take plug and thread at the same time.

Because of the location of the port for the head, it makes it almost impossible to get a tap inside of the port to clean the threads.  They do make a underside Metric tap to chase the threads for all heads - that a good engine shop - should have on hand.  The reason it is undersize is because a new tap removes material.  Everytime you run the tap through the thread you remove material, soon you won't have any material to hold the plug.

But since spark-plugs works on electricity, the better the contact to ground is the better the spark.

Before you install the plugs, you should coat the threads with Anti Seeze.  I use C5- A Fel Pro


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