Author Topic: cz-american (Read 1453 times)

expense4 · « **on:** March 06, 2006, 09:29:57 AM »

I am about to buy a CZ- American in 30-06. In thier catalog the twist rate is stated to be 1-12. Since I have never had a 1-12 rate in .30 what are the issues, if any, with the slower rate? Thanks for your replies.

nasem · « **Reply #1 on:** March 06, 2006, 11:10:36 AM »

I am not sure if you have your mind 100% set on the CZ, its a great gun, but IF i wanted a bolt-action 30-06, I would get a browning A-bolt

regarding your CZ post, maybe its a typo... most 06' barrels use 1/10 twist

goosepit · « **Reply #2 on:** March 06, 2006, 12:16:43 PM »

From what I've read the 1-12 rate is for lighter bullets some say below 180 some say below 200, That said I am just about to buy the same gun and it will be for mostly 180gr. So well see how she shoots with some testing.
Scott

Zachary · « **Reply #3 on:** March 07, 2006, 04:17:15 AM »

If indeed the twist is 1 in 12 (which seems slow because it is normally 1 in 10), then you will have to shoot lighter bullets. I would say forget about 200 grains. I would think that 180 grains would be max. Then again, keep in mind that some bullets are longer than others. A 165 TSX bullet is probably longer than a 180 Swift A Frame.

Zachary

arkhillbilly · « **Reply #4 on:** March 17, 2006, 05:00:35 PM »

CZ should be either restricted to making rimfires or else be deported back behind the iron curtain

NimrodRx · « **Reply #5 on:** March 17, 2006, 09:03:58 PM »

If you want to buy a "non-american" rifle, save your money and buy a Tikka....

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 18, 2006, 12:57:14 AM »

Quote from: arkhillbilly

CZ should be either restricted to making rimfires or else be deported back behind the iron curtain

CZ makes some great centerfire rifles. I have a CZ 550 in 416 Rigby what shoots 1 inch groups at 100 yards. From just reading your small post, I can bet you never even owned a CZ rifle. :roll:

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #7 on:** March 18, 2006, 01:00:40 AM »

Quote from: expense4

I am about to buy a CZ- American in 30-06. In thier catalog the twist rate is stated to be 1-12. Since I have never had a 1-12 rate in .30 what are the issues, if any, with the slower rate? Thanks for your replies.

Doesn't CZ guarantee a 1 MOA out of the box?

Also look at Tikka and Browning's A-bolt. I have all three rifles and all of them shoot great. I could not find fault in any of them.

Zachary · « **Reply #8 on:** March 18, 2006, 01:37:38 AM »

I own a CZ American in 17HMR. It is a high quality rimfire rifle and quite accurate. I would love to buy another in .22LR.

As for the CZ in a BOA, I don't currently own one, but I have shot them and find their BOA rifles to be of the same high quality as their rimfire versions.

Zachary

msorenso · « **Reply #9 on:** March 18, 2006, 06:25:27 AM »

Not to forget the model 3 now dicontinued, ( nice rifle) was made in america. CZ is a great company glad to see they are taking off here in the US

Rogue Ram · « **Reply #10 on:** March 18, 2006, 06:40:46 PM »

arkhillbilly wrote:
CZ should be either restricted to making rimfires or else be deported back behind the iron curtain

:roll: CZs are not made behind the iron curtain by slave labor.

What is your complaint with CZ? Do you own one? Shot one?

With Winchester gone, this effectively leaves CZ, Remington (taking over the Daly mausers), Kimber, and Montana Rifleman making true controlled round feed rifles and/or actions.

I fell in love the minute I held my 527 American in .223, and check out my post in the Rimfire threads about the .17 HMR I shot. I don't know what Zachary's experience is, but the .17 I shot was accurate to the point that no one wants to believe it......5 shot dime sized groups at 100 yards, time after time. Nicest darn little rimfire I've ever seen (and I WILL have one for this squirrel season :grin: ).

I'd buy a 550 in a second if they'd make one in stainless and offer it with a real fiberglass stock in the caliber I want.

I want to buy American as much as the next guy, but what American controlled round feed rifles are out there as nice as CZ for the price?

RR

7x57mm · « **Reply #11 on:** March 18, 2006, 08:03:42 PM »

I see absolutely nothing wrong with CZ prducts. I own a CZ 550 American in 7x57mm and a CZ 527 Lux/American in .223 Remington. Both are sub half minute of angle shooters. For years I was totally into Ruger because it carried the caliber I like the best, the 7x57mm. I also owned a Winchester Model 88 in .284 Winchester at one time and wish I still had it. When the accuracy of my Model 77 fell off to the point it was alarming, I did a long, exhaustive search on the internet forums. I scoured the posts doing a survey of the problems people had with Remingtons, Winchesters, Savage, Ruger, Sako, Browning and yes, the CZs. Based on my findings, I bought CZ and have not been sorry. Now, CZ will, I would guess, turn out a dog every now and then. Heck, every firearms company will do that. It is the same with auto makers, washing machine makers and the list goes on and on. However, when the consumer gets a rifle that does not shoot to his or her expectations right off the bat does that mean all rifles that the company makes are dogs? Hell no. In my research, however, I found that time after time where consumers would say they will never buy another Remington, Browning or Ruger because they one they bought was not what they hoped it would be. I think that is what happened here with Arkhillbilly.

msorenso · « **Reply #12 on:** March 19, 2006, 07:23:29 AM »

Rogue Ram,
Well put!

Some of these comments are, well ingnorant!

arkhillbilly · « **Reply #13 on:** March 22, 2006, 12:29:34 PM »

FYI---I own 2 CZ rifles. One in 17hmr which is a spectacular shooter, although quite crude looking. The other is a 223 American, and it just plain sucks. I've never owned a more finicky gun and believe me I have a 54 gun Heritage safe full of rifles and shotguns of every make. You couldn't give me another CZ unless it was their 452, and then I would have to think really hard about taking it. There are tons better choices on the market. Name a maker of rifles and it is probably better. What I'm saying, and I realize this is probably wasted effort on my part, is for the product CZ puts on the market it is way overrated and way overhyped. You guys with a 3 or 4 rifle battery just don't get it. Furthermore good luck with that 416 Rigby, I hope your stock hasn't broken yet from the recoil. You should have bought a Ruger. Call CZ yourself they will tell you that you need to reinforce the stock to absorb that recoil.

Rogue Ram · « **Reply #14 on:** March 22, 2006, 12:50:15 PM »

Ark,

I have a 20+ battery and I think I have an understanding of frustration when we pay money for something that doesn't work, especially a gun!

Regarding the 452, you mention yours is crude??? My friend's is spectacular!!! Walnut is unbelievable, blueing is flawless. I have heard that there are some CZs with poor fit and finish but I personally haven't seen one just yet.

I see you posted on the CZ thread that your 527 sprays heavier bullets. Yup. Mine does too. My "issue" Winchester 62 grain power points are like shooting a shotgun.....4" at 100 yards. However, some home grown 50 or 55 grain Vmax or ballistic tips and its a far different story. I haven't checked the twist, negligence on my part (its on their website) but obviously its made for lighter bullets. Try some handloads with lighter stuff or buy something off the shelf that has an outstanding reputation like Black Hills or Federal match stuff and see what it does.

Good luck with it. Hey if its a lemon dump it....we all find them now and then. I personally am just impressed with each one I've seen so far, if I had a lemon I may be inclined to try and fix it but then again I've chased those issues too and can understand putting the extra $$ into something that works.

RR

arkhillbilly · « **Reply #15 on:** March 22, 2006, 01:25:30 PM »

RR--I appreciate your opinion and your response. I just wanted to make it explicitly clear that I wouldn't post about a gun that I have no experience with. It would be like a Remington shooter saying there is nothing worse than Winchester and he never has shot one.
As to the twist rate on the 223 CZ 527--the American is 1 in 12 so it obviously has a preference for the lighter stuff. The varmint model is 1 in 9. However I know from personal experience that just because you have the American does not mean that you have a 1 in 12 twist. Some are 1 in 9, and I wish mine was. However I have a Browning Abolt s/s in 223 that is 1 in 12 and it shoots 60gr Partitions quite well. The CZ sprays them everywhere (about 4+"). I won't unload this 527 as I believe after CZ gets sued a time or two the set trigger will probably disappear from the CZ's features. This may make it a collector.
People should realize that just because it says so in the American Rifleman and/or Guns & Ammo does not make it so. The gun mags are largely shills for the gun makers. American Handloader and Rifle are about the only 2 mags that have anything of substance in them.

Redhat · « **Reply #16 on:** March 22, 2006, 04:16:39 PM »

I have a 550 Premium in .270 and I really like it. Bolt is smooth, and the trigger is excellent!

Accuracy wise I shoot regular old 130 grain Winchesters and it shoots under an inch.

In my opinion it's a good as any of the Big 3. I won't even count Ruger rifles as I don't care for the trigger.

Of course I like Savage too so what do I know?

Good luck with your choice

NY Dan · « **Reply #17 on:** March 23, 2006, 12:37:22 PM »

I am the new kid on the block here, so I will tread softly!!!!... I own five CZ's / three 452's (Lux, Mannlicher, Ultra Lux) all in .22 LR and all of these shoot dime sized groups with iron sights!! and have real wood and steel. My other two are a #527 Lux in .223 and a #550 Mannlicher in .308. Again the real wood and steel and out of the box accuracy that some manufacturers can only dream of. For the time being the firearms coming from Czech are made of a quality that I feel has been long gone in this country, I cringe everytime I think of Winchesters made in Japan.........etc.

Some like blondes and some do not, whatever rocks your socks!!

Atlatl · « **Reply #18 on:** April 06, 2006, 02:42:39 PM »

Had a CZ550 Minnesota in .308 .. sorry I let it go. Shot .5" groups

Replaced it with factory Rem 700 custom classic in .250 Savage which I regret. The chamber and or headspace on it was fudged up caused brass to have a nice bright expansion ring.. so much for reloading. Off loaded it.

For me in most cases it'll be either Kimber or CZ's...

R.W.Dale · « **Reply #19 on:** April 06, 2006, 03:32:09 PM »

I have the CZ527 carbine in 7.62x39 it's a dream to shoot, heck the cheap ammo even shoots great in it.

My 452 american in 17hmr is instant death to squirells even out past 100 yds

And then there is the ZKM452 "Super Exclusive"

I rather enjoy my CZ's

Casull · « **Reply #20 on:** April 06, 2006, 03:40:51 PM »

NY Dan, even though I only own one CZ (452 American in .22lr), I agree with your assessment of CZ. I wouldn't hesitate to buy another. However, I can't understand your, or others, aversion to guns made in Japan. I own two Howa's, a Weatherby Vanguard (same basic gun), and a Browning Citori. Love them all, particularly the rifles (forged receivers, smooth actions and as accurate, or more so, than any other guns I've tried). The shotgun is great as well, but I prefer shooting rifles. Can't find any fault with any of them.