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Offline nofun1

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« on: February 23, 2006, 04:14:53 PM »
I am considering the CZ 550 Varmint laminate in 22-250 or the similar Remington 700 anybody had any expeirience with the CZ varmint?

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« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2006, 05:52:59 AM »
I haven't shot the varmint model but have held and looked at it and liked it very much. My buddy has the varmint model and it's his favorite rifle.

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« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2006, 06:08:12 AM »
I've owned a lot of Remington Varmint rifles over the years. Never seen one yet that I couldn't work up several loads that would shoot 1/2" or less at 100 yards and most all loads would stay under an inch even without working them up. When looking for an accurate rifle I never look further than Remington.


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« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2006, 11:09:29 AM »
I agree with Graybeard on this....I have a couple Rem. 700s and a couple CZs (452 and 550). The 550 is a dog in the accuracy dept. (2 MOA) and this is with using different loads, scopes and having it bedded. Will never buy another CZ centerfire. My 452 OTOH is a joy to shoot. I think the 550 are made on Mondays and Fridays while the 452s are made through the week. They don't even compare....Go the Remington route. They always shoot well.

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« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2006, 11:15:30 AM »
I think it's possible that you just got a dud on your 550 cause my CZ centerfires shoot great and I personally know of many others that shoot the same.  :D

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« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2006, 03:34:31 PM »
CZMan; I'm with you on Hunt127588's response. I have two CZs, one a 550 in 7x57mm, the other a 527 in .223 Remington and both are spectacular shooters. My brother bought a CZ 550 Full Stock in 7x57mm and his friend bought an exact duplicate of my brother's rifles, both those are .75 inch three shot rifles. In addition, my brother bought a .221 Fireball in the CZ 527 and a CZ 550 in 9.3x62 and both will print tiny, tiny groups. You would figure if CZ was turning out pieces of junk that out of six rifles bought at various times, one would be bad. Before I got into the CZ line of rifles I looked all over the forums looking for negative and positive comments about CZ, about Remington, about Winchester, about Ruger and about Savage. Remington was getting the lion's share of negative comments, followed by Winchester, then Ruger, then Savage and finally CZs. By the way, the negative comments about Savage was just that it is an ugly rifle, whatever that means. The comments about Ruger were based on barrels made years and years ago, the ones about Winchester had to do with the production of Wally World-type firearms and the ones with Remington generally said the company was producing rifles far inferior to what it used to produce. The negative about CZs was it was a bit more heavy than the other rifles. That's why I originally went with CZ. After buying the ones I did, and seeing what other CZs will do through personal experience with them, that is why I'll go back to CZ if I fell the need for another rifle in a heartbeat. Tom Purdom

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« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2006, 04:51:05 AM »
I carried my dud CZ (223 varmet walnut) out to the farm a coupla days ago, put 9 shots in 1/2 in and pulled the 10'th out to an even 1".
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 My range is 112 measured yards. I can put three shots into one ragged hole all day. My rifle is straight out of the box and the scope is a weaver 4X16. I just love shooting this cheep foreighen junk. I haven't even adjusted the set trigger, all i've done is shoot it and clean it. I'm saving my pennies, I want some more of this junk, while it is still affordable.

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« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2006, 05:49:12 AM »
I'm another CZ dud owner. My 550's in 270 and 9.3x62 both will shoot about anything under an inch. Same with my 527 in 22 Hornet. Also having the option of the set trigger is great, especially in a varmint gun. My only CZ complaint is my 452 Silohuette. They need to add about a pound more weight to it. I rectified that by hogging out underneath the barrel channel and adding some lead. Now if any of you guys want to part with one of those 7x57 FS's.  8) Sure wish CZ would take their head out of the sand and make another run of them.

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« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2006, 07:47:17 AM »
Sounds like you guys like your CZs. Like I said, I have a 452 American that I wouldn't part with...Very accurate. However, since you guys like the 550s so well, sounds like there is room for another 550 in the safe. I've got a 'dud' for sale.  :lol:

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« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2006, 10:05:34 AM »
Hunt127588 - I am no fan of the .243 Winchester. Otherwise I would take you up on your offer. Just for grins ... how much? Your name sounded familiar, so I took the liberty of doing a search and found you posted several times concerning the CZ 550 of yours. It really looks as if you have scope problems, not a rifle problem. You began last February stating the barrel rubbed on side of the barrel channel, so you had a gunsmith glassbed the action, freefloat the barrel and adjust the trigger. After that you said it shot around 1 MOA. I take it from your posts that you shoot factory loads and there is nothing wrong with that at all. However, you did say after having it glassbedded, that it became your favorite rifle to shoot. I take it you were getting some decent groups at that time. Then in January this year you posted you were getting shotgun patterns with it, that you tried all different brands, that I took to mean ammunition and still, it shoots patterns. Posters were telling you to just try another scope, but I did not see where you said you did that. You said it was a new scope, but I did not see where you questioned the possibility that the scope may be bad. Posters also told you to make sure the rings were tight and you said that the rings were tight, that you lapped them. I have to go back to the scope. Burris usually puts out a good product, though I do have an issue with the company's customer service. No matter how good Burris is, it can produce a scope, that for some reason, just lets go (breaks internally). From the way you describe what happened to your groups in January, I really suspect you have an issue with the scope. Take it off of your CZ and mount it on one of your Remington's that you know is a good shooter with a certain load, and try it out. After sighting in and if your groups are good, then you can eliminate the scope as a problem and go back to the rifle. However, if your good shooting Remington suddenly starts to have traveling groups, then it is a problem with the new scope, not the new rifle. In addition, after reading your posts on the issue I don't think your problem is with the bolt hitting the inletted portion of the stock because you said that after the rifle was glassbedded that it shot better than before it was glassbedded. At the same time, it should be an easy fix. Just remove the bit of the wood where there is contact with the bolt handle and reseal the stock again. You might also check to make sure the barrel crown was not somehow damaged. It can happen and that too, could throw shots all over the place. Check the crown in good light with a magnifying glass to make sure there are no nicks or dents which could alter accuracy. In addition, to make sure your glassbedded CZ has proper wood-to-metal fit, take the barreled action out of the stock, then put it back in again, making sure that it sits right before tightening up the guard screws. When you have the barreled action sitting correctly in the stock then tighten the guard screws. I was told by a gunsmith who manufactures a very popular glassbedding compound about a proper glassbedding job. When it is glassbedded right, as you tighten the screws it will be easy at first and then you should feel some resistance before it cinches home. He said a correct bedding job will be such that you should not be able to turn the screw one full turn after feeling the resistance for the first time. My rifles cinch home between a quarter turn and a half turn. Any more than one full turn and you can actually bind the action in the stock, which throws off accuracy. I have probably confused the hell out of you and every one else by now. The point is, you said earlier your rifle was shooting better, then all of a sudden it began shooting 4-5 inch groups. It just sounds like the scope let go. I wish you luck with your CZ 550. Tom Purdom

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« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2006, 04:47:50 PM »
Tom, good research! To answer your question, I did change scopes (to a known good scope) and it began shooting just as erratic as it did before changing scopes. As for factory loads, this is all I'm shooting currently. I did manage to get a group or two out of it after being beeded that was around 1 MOA. However, it was a rare thing and it only happened a grouping or two. However, every time after that, the groups sucked. My time is worth more than fidgeting with a gun to get it to shoot. If it was 1.5 MOA, I'd tinker. When it's 3-4 MOA with different scopes and multiple outings with different brands of ammo., I'm done messing with the dang thing. I really REALLY wanted one of these 550s. However, I couldn't even feel confident with it even if the groups started to tighten up. Confidence with a weapon is everything in my book. I bought it to shoot at what I'm aiming at, not just look pretty. As for price, I'll be in the hole no matter what I get after spending money on the gun and $200 on the bedding/trigger job. Make me an offer and we'll talk.

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« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2006, 04:03:59 PM »
Like I said before, I don't like .243s, but I thought maybe my brother might be interested. He's saving up his recess money for a CZ 550 American in 6.5x55mm. Good luck to ya Hunt. Tom Purdom

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« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2006, 05:30:20 AM »
I have the CZ varmint laminated in .223.  It easily shoots 1/2" groups with Black Hills 55 gr. V-max remanufactured ammunition.  I love having the set trigger for shooting from a bench.  I simply cannot say enough for this rifle.  I am very glad that it followed me home from the gun shop.

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« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2006, 01:02:53 AM »
I just brought one home two days ago. It's in the safe and is waiting for me to take it to the range. I'm thinking tonight sounds good. It's a 22-250 cz 550 with that dark laminated stock. When I was trying to decide if I should buy it, I researched a little bit and found many who loved it. Also, some remington owners were trading in for the cz. I bought it.
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« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2006, 10:17:22 AM »
Hey all, considering joining the CZ club. I'm thinking of a 527 American in 22 Hornet but I have two concerns.


First is the .223 bore, anyone have problems shooting .224 sized bullets in theirs? 35 and 40 grain V-maxes are on the bench right now.

Second is the magazine. Any problems with COL? I have a friend with  Ruger and he needs to single load his with it's prefered loads.

Thanks for your help.

Nixter

Ps. found one at Gander Mountain for 499 with decent wood. But will check with the local shop before shopping at Gander.

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« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2006, 10:37:34 AM »
Nixter

I have a 527 .22 hornet. It is probably the most accurate rifle I own. never shot anything but .224 bullets. Gun is for most part 3/8" ~ 6/8" capable.

Loves Hornady 35 & 40 vmax, speer 33 tnt. Lil gun, W296 and H4227 all perform superb. Edge goes to W296 for velocity and accuracy.

Magazine does limit some loads if seat close to lands, the 40 r vmax is single shot to get close to lands.

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« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2006, 10:47:03 AM »
Mirage, thank you for your timely answer.

Seems my concerns are for the most part unwarranted.

Seems your bullet choices run similar to mine. I forgot to mention the 33Gr Speer as I have yet to play with it.

Thanks again.

Nixter

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« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2006, 02:59:44 PM »
Nixter--I also have a 527 American in 22 Hornet.  I echo much of what Mirage has already stated.  I don't have any concerns about using the .224 bullets.  I have had outstanding luck with the Hornady 40 gr. Vmax, in front of 13 gr of Lil Gun.  I partially full length size my brass and also use the Lee Factory crimp die.  I seat them long and am not able to use the stock magazine.  Having said that, I have modified one of my magazines to allow the use of the longer round.  If you drive the two pins out, that hold the spacer block in the back of the magazine, you can remove the spacer and thin it from the back side to give you more length inside the magazine.  Whatever amount you remove from the spacer(measure it before&after), you will want to add on to the back of the follower to compensate.  I used JB Weld to build up the back of the follower.
My CZ Hornet is my favorite rifle.  FWIW, the CZ trigger is awesome to work with.  Simple to adjust to remove takeup, overtravel and weight of pull. And, the instructions are included in the owner's manual to do it.  Good luck with the Hornet.
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