Author Topic: About very BIG FEET........ (Read 2487 times)

WorkinStiff · « **on:** February 12, 2006, 07:34:30 AM »

Dr Jeff Meldrum, Professor of primatology & anatomy......www.isu.edu/~meldd/fxnlmorph.html

clodbuster · « **Reply #1 on:** February 12, 2006, 12:01:06 PM »

workin'-- thanks for posting the article. I dont know if it proves anything but provides useful understanding of the larger issue. I find this to be one of the most intriguing questions of the outdoors and respect the people's reports of sightings, But why hasn't someone shot or car hit or found a piece of the critter? Maybe they're more clever than we give credit for.

WmRoy · « **Reply #2 on:** February 12, 2006, 07:03:54 PM »

thanks for the link

Savage .250 · « **Reply #3 on:** February 13, 2006, 02:11:28 AM »

Which one will they "find" in the flesh first the Loch Ness Monster or
the ever elusive Big Foot or his/her counterpart the Abominable Snowman?
I wonder what the betting line is on that question in Vegas?

Savage .250 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 13, 2006, 02:13:48 AM »

Which one will they "find" in the flesh first the Loch Ness Monster or
the ever elusive Big Foot or his/her counterpart the Abominable Snowman? Oops, To be politically correct it`s Snowpeople.
I wonder what the betting line is on that question in Vegas?

Lone Star · « **Reply #5 on:** February 13, 2006, 03:08:06 AM »

The Patterson film has been pretty much discredited, yet Mr. Meldrum (not "Doctor") uses it as proof in his analysis. The referenced work is an interesting cryptozoological study, but there are plenty of those by folks with better credentials than an associate professor.

Bigfoot-type creatures have been reported in 49 of the 50 states. It is inconceivable that if the creature is that well distributed, no conclusive physical evidence has been collected. That supports two conclusions: 1) there are no Bigfoot creatures, or 2) they do exist although many/most of the eyewitness reports are not valid.

Do people actually see unidentified creatures in the woods? Yes. Are they physical creatures similar to existing or pre-existing primates? IMO, probably not...

bullet maker · « **Reply #6 on:** February 13, 2006, 04:54:58 AM »

Quote from: Lone Star

The Patterson film has been pretty much discredited, yet Mr. Meldrum (not "Doctor") uses it as proof in his analysis. The referenced work is an interesting cryptozoological study, but there are plenty of those by folks with better credentials than an associate professor.

Bigfoot-type creatures have been reported in 49 of the 50 states. It is inconceivable that if the creature is that well distributed, no conclusive physical evidence has been collected. That supports two conclusions: 1) there are no Bigfoot creatures, or 2) they do exist although many/most of the eyewitness reports are not valid.

Do people actually see unidentified creatures in the woods? Yes. Are they physical creatures similar to existing or pre-existing primates? IMO, probably not...

I have to disagree with you on this issue

The Patterson film has not been disproved, infact their is a gentlemen by the name of M.K. Davis, that has proved beyond a resonable doubt, that it is authentic. Your always going to get the two factors battleing each other about the prove of any film or picture, so the only conclusive way would be for a dead body. Which leads to the conclusive evidence. Two have conclusive evidence, it almost takes an act of God, to get it to the property authorties, and then it could be lost or stolen along the way. Their is plenty of evidence, out their, and alot of it is in someon`s position, and there keeping their mouth shut for fear of ridicule.
I posted on this site, (if you happen to read it) of some old gentlemen up in Adair, Okla, that found the skull of one, and a game ranger took it from them. Just one of the reason`s that nothing is found and brought forth.

bullet maker

Lone Star · « **Reply #7 on:** February 13, 2006, 08:23:00 AM »

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The Patterson film has not been disproved, infact their is a gentlemen by the name of M.K. Davis, that has proved beyond a resonable doubt, that it is authentic.

What about the local guy who "proved beyond doubt" that he was the one in the monkey suit in the film? How can a thinking man say that the film has been "proven beyond a reasonable doubt"? Whose doubt, those who want physical proof? Believe me, plenty of folks still doubt it. No one has any conclusive proof of the film's authenticity, because no one can have it. Even a BF body produced today would not "prove" that the Patterson film is real...sheesh. :wink:

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I posted on this site, (if you happen to read it) of some old gentlemen up in Adair, Okla, that found the skull of one, and a game ranger took it from them.

Yes, a story with all the markings of a traditional rural legend: second-hand and from a "preacher" working for a propane company, full moon shining, skull found in a farmer's pasture, the works. The comment about the ranger being "promoted to a state senate seat" is of course absurd (I think we have elections for that), and no one including the old farmer with the skull had a camera to back him up - in 2001 no less.

Your advice was "when we do find evidence, its, best to keep our mouth shut, or someone will try to take it away from us" simply promotes the secrecy and distrust that permiates the BF community. Surely if someone had hard physical evidence the community as a whole (hundreds, thousands of BG buffs) could band together, with lawyers et. al., and present it to the news media in secret. The media don't give a rat's a$$ about the government telling them not to report something, they prove that everyday. What a scoop it would be for Fox or CNN to trump the other news networks with such a story. But no, the story above is more worthless anecdotal "evidence".

I'm sorry if the burden of proof lies with the believers, but that's the way it is in science and law. The thinking man's conclusion right now is that the great governmental conspiracy designed to keep the masses ignorant about BigFoot, UFOs, the Bermuda Triangle, Atlantis, and flying humanoids is doing a great job.

Please recall that I do not disbelieve all the stories of BigFoot, just that they may be misinterpreted. And I do enjoy reading at least some of the entertaining BF stories, for that reason. Remember that word, reason.

Graybeard · « **Reply #8 on:** February 13, 2006, 10:23:23 AM »

I'm one of those who is willing to believe the bigfoot exists but only when I see conclusive proof with my own eyes. I've seen the Patterson view many times on TV and seen what they say is first one thing or another such as a breast or muscle movement under the hide. I've yet to see with my eyes any of what they claim they are seeing. It's so grainy and unclear in those close ups they magnify that I can see no detail at all. When veiwed as it was taken to me it looks fake as can be. Geez the bigfoot just kinda poses there for them.

I can personally come to no other conclusion that the film is a fake.

Flying humanoids? Sorry I just can't take that seriously. Just cannot.

Now I do believe that there is intelligent life on other planets because quite franking their being other life is more reasonable to me than their not being. To think that we here on earth are the ONLY intelligent life in the universe to me seems rather silly and presumptuous. Whether we've been visited by that life I dunno. It wouldn't surprise me if we have.

But I think in the high 90% range of such reports are pure bunk and faked. Still some I suspect just might have some truth to them.

John · « **Reply #9 on:** February 13, 2006, 04:33:07 PM »

Come on fellas, scratch the Patterson film off your lists of bigfoot proof. His family came clean, and told that it was staged, and told who was involved, and how they did it.

bullet maker · « **Reply #10 on:** February 13, 2006, 05:24:36 PM »

Yeah guys, but what you didnt hear was he couldnt produce the monkey suit that he wore :shock: The guy was only 5ft 6inches tall, the patterson film monkey was 7ft tall, now what youn`s got to say

, and what about all the other sightings around the U.S.A, did he do all of them also? Sure he wore alot of them bigfeet around to tease the bigfoot hunters, but the guy couldnt be in two places at one time. Like Calif--Texas.

bullet maker

WmRoy · « **Reply #11 on:** February 13, 2006, 05:32:51 PM »

I seem to remember hearing a tv program that said it was impossible for the bigfoot to have been a man given certain body proportions..... one of which was the arm length and I thought there was something about the legs as well? While it maybe that they thought ahead (but seems unlikely since none had any great experience in primate morphology) enough to make such changes, given the time period it seems unlikely that they would have??? :shock:

bullet maker · « **Reply #12 on:** February 13, 2006, 05:54:16 PM »

Please recall that I do not disbelieve all the stories of BigFoot, just that they may be misinterpreted.

Lone Star, you got me confused now :?: Does that statement mean you believe in Bigfoot :?: Or do you just believe in the stories`s :?: If you believe in the stories, of Bigfoot, then you believe in Bigfoot.

Please explain misinterpreted, as in Bigfoot stories.

bullet maker

Lone Star · « **Reply #13 on:** February 14, 2006, 03:06:56 AM »

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Lone Star, you got me confused now :?:

I thought I was perfectly clear:

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Do people actually see unidentified creatures in the woods? Yes. Are they physical creatures similar to existing or pre-existing primates? IMO, probably not...

bullet maker · « **Reply #14 on:** February 14, 2006, 03:18:47 AM »

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Lone Star, you got me confused now :?:
I thought I was perfectly clear:
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Do people actually see unidentified creatures in the woods? Yes. Are they physical creatures similar to existing or pre-existing primates? IMO, probably not...

NO :shock: you were not. :?

bullet maker :bye:

1911crazy · « **Reply #15 on:** February 14, 2006, 05:42:04 AM »

We can't dismiss something just because we don't understand it. With flying humanoids who knows? They been reported seen in mexico and in arizona too now. There's a lot that we don't understand or know completely about. The more time you spend outdoors the better and you may find out were not alone here nor on the top of the food chain like we once thought. I also believe there is a source of power here too that we don't understand too.

John · « **Reply #16 on:** February 14, 2006, 02:53:04 PM »

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Yeah guys, but what you didnt hear was he couldnt produce the monkey suit that he wore :shock:

If I was to cook up some grand scheme to fool the public, maybe something that required a monkey suit, something to make some large tracks, whatever, I don't think that I would be dumb enough to leave the evidence around for anyone to find.

bullet maker · « **Reply #17 on:** February 14, 2006, 07:08:17 PM »

Weeeelllll I figured that iffen he braged about being the bigfoot in bluff creek Calif, back in 1961, and now for some unknown reason wants to take credit for it, 45 years later, down the road, hows he going to prove he was the one, without the monkey suit as prove?

So now`s we have what`s we call up here in the hill`s as a real mystery. Cause everybody believes him that whats to, but they dont believe us folks that seen bigfoot, or old hairy one. Go figure :toast: :toast:

youall come back now,--ya hear. :music:

bullet maker

John · « **Reply #18 on:** February 17, 2006, 03:46:14 AM »

It's just a case of folks believing what they want to believe, seems alot of things work off that idea...religion, politics, global warming, etc.

I told you from the get go that I've always been skeptical when it comes to your big hairy friends. That's my story and I'm sticking to it, but whatever your deal is in regards to them is your business, and I wish you well.

I don't get too active in the ongoing debate here, but you can expect a little gig from me now and then...what are friends for anyway?

By the way, I have been catching alot of crappie till the past couple of days, it's slowed way down now....probably won't go for a while.

bullet maker · « **Reply #19 on:** February 17, 2006, 05:57:59 PM »

Hey John

Well if you need someone to do a taster test on them thar fish, will you know where I live :-D :-D Sounds mighty good with some hush puppies, and fries.

bullet maker

John · « **Reply #20 on:** February 18, 2006, 06:14:30 AM »

They don't last very long around here, crappie are the little woman's favorite. I can have most any other flavor of fish, and it might be in the freezer for weeks before she cooks it up, not crappie, they seldom make it to the freezer.

I was fishing in a t-shirt Thursday, and somebody opened the freezer door right after noon, man what a change, how quickly the temp dropped, and what's all that white stuff out there...ain't any more fishin' for a while now.

bullet maker · « **Reply #21 on:** February 18, 2006, 01:51:09 PM »

Yeah at noon it was 18degrees, and chill factor 0 degrees acording to the weather on channel 6, why even old Bigfoot ,is sitting this one out.

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billkirbywofb · « **Reply #22 on:** February 18, 2006, 04:36:38 PM »

Two comments on some of the above posts. First it is not Mr. It is Doctor Jeff Meldrum, professer of Physical Anthropology from Idaho State. A job you must have a doctorate to hold. Second, the Patterson family never said that the film is a hoax. That is just a lie. Created someplace by someone to discredit the film. Having know some of Patterson's children here in Yakima - Patterson's home town. The family steadfastly denies this claim. Some might have confussed this with the Wallace family who said that their dad created all the footprints. But not all the family members says that Wallace made the prints.

bullet maker · « **Reply #23 on:** February 18, 2006, 05:58:32 PM »

Quote from: billkirbywofb

Two comments on some of the above posts. First it is not Mr. It is Doctor Jeff Meldrum, professer of Physical Anthropology from Idaho State. A job you must have a doctorate to hold. Second, the Patterson family never said that the film is a hoax. That is just a lie. Created someplace by someone to discredit the film. Having know some of Patterson's children here in Yakima - Patterson's home town. The family steadfastly denies this claim. Some might have confussed this with the Wallace family who said that their dad created all the footprints. But not all the family members says that Wallace made the prints.

Well said billkirbywofb, and welcome to the board

Perhaps, you can enlighten us with some stories from what you know, or rather words, what you have gathered from the kids. If you have read any of my post, I have had several encounters with the mysterious creature. Have you personelly had any encounters? could you tell us about them? Are you familar with M.K Davis? he has done some fantastic work on the Patterson film. He has blown up some of the frames and you can see more detail, than on the regular film of Patty, thats what they call the female bigfoot.
Thank You
bullet maker

Micahn · « **Reply #24 on:** February 18, 2006, 07:40:39 PM »

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What about the local guy who "proved beyond doubt" that he was the one in the monkey suit in the film?

I take your talking about that guy wallace that died ? His family comes out after he died and says he was the one faking all the Bigfoot stuff. Yet they have not proved anything to anyone as far as I know about it.
They say thay only have one of the gloves left from the suit yet what they showed did not look anything close to what is in the film.
They showed the things they say made the tracks (some sort of thing that he put on his shoes) that did not look anything like any track cast I have seen. They was hard and flat how in the world would that fool anyone ? Even a child could see the tracks made by something like that and see they was faked.

If you really look into this whole Bigfoot thing with a open mind you can only come to one conclusion, And that would be that something strange is at least going on out in the woods.
Many different types of people have had sightings over the years including people who could loose their jobs by coming out with their stories. By that I mean people like Police, Forest personal, Different people in the military, Doctors, teachers and the list goes on and on.
I know of at least 4 cases where hair and other thing was DNA tested and the results came back as a unknown primate. They know it is some sort of primate DNA but can not find any that match it so far.
A guy who is in Texas and is a Police expert finger print person says he has studied many tracks and he believes that something is out there making them and it is a real animal. He is I believe the top person in primate finger prints as he has done more work on that sort of stuff then anyone else. And that was before he started in with Bigfoot stuff.

Almost every native American tribe has some sort of story about them in their history. Some has them as real animals and some as sprite but most at least has something about them.

I have never been lucky enough to see one myself, But I do think I heard one one night. I just hope that some day someone does find one before they become extinct without even becoming known as a real animal.

WorkinStiff · « **Reply #25 on:** February 19, 2006, 07:52:46 AM »

Meldrum holds a PHD in anthropology from the State Univ of New York......

whodywho · « **Reply #26 on:** March 09, 2006, 10:01:22 AM »

:eek: it's amazing to me to see how individuals can talk so condisendingly to others about something and not have all the facts either way. Makeing statements as being fact but don't have them all (facts) I know some have to stroke thier egos every once in a while but dang people lets get real!
its all point of view people, just sometimes we have to shave a head or too to see there points!!

NONYA · « **Reply #27 on:** March 09, 2006, 01:37:03 PM »

With you i dont think its so much a point of view as a matter of what plane you exist on...

WmRoy · « **Reply #28 on:** March 09, 2006, 01:52:42 PM »

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With you i dont think its so much a point of view as a matter of what plane you exist on...

Just what is that supposed to mean? And what do you have against our newbie? :? :x

NONYA · « **Reply #29 on:** March 09, 2006, 02:24:28 PM »

Our "newbie" isnt quite as new as you think...