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Offline Steve E

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« on: January 26, 2006, 08:31:38 AM »
I accidentally deleted my other post about Custom Rifles so here it is again,
If a Smith trues up the front of say a (Military)Mauser action & bolt face then barrels it, blues it, stocks it, would that constitute a Custom Rifle? I know you can use modern actions for less work but lets just say you are using a Military action.
I have several Mauser actions that were barrelled and stocked to sporter configuration. I guess what I really want to know is what is a        
'Custom Rifle.'

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« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2006, 11:52:02 PM »
I think a custom is a rifle that has been altered with either a new chamber, or maybe stock, or new barrel in different caliber. Could be a lot of things. Now the purest might say it's built from scratch just for you. He'd be right of course. If you have a 30-06 rebarreled with another factory 30-06 barrel is it custon or a re-barrel? Of course if iy's rebarreled with a custom barrel makers barrel, again, what is it? Get a factory rifle out of the manufacture's custom shop, is it custom or just done right?

Pretty loose term and I think it can be whatever you want it to be. I had a 6.5x55 made for my ex-wife, now it's my ex-rifle. It started as a Parker-Hale 1200 in 25-06. The bolt face had to be opened, a new Shelin barrel and the stoch redone to fit her and accept a different barrel. Custom? I think so.
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« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2006, 12:02:24 AM »
Steve,

Yes I would say that work would qualify your rifle as a Custom.  I feel if someone has say a stock made for their rifle as I have a couple that is a "Semi Custom".  I have a 788 which I had rebarreled and restocked and that probably is considered a custom if not least a semi custom.
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« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2006, 01:43:16 PM »
Don
    I think you are trying to confuse me, LOL
I think I would agree with both of you on that,  it's good to get some others views on it.

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« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2006, 12:05:23 AM »
Steve,

I have to agree with Don that a full blown custom is where you have a rifle or shotgun built from scratch just for you.  This may be where all the extras are put on and I feel to be a full custom it will be walnut stocked.  I think the extra touches are what make a "Full Custom".  I rethought my post and feel that a restocking and rebarreling with truing of the action and such is a "Semi Custom".
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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2006, 05:32:37 PM »
I had Henry Ball of Bill's Custom Guns Greensboro, N.C. (He is the inventor of the smokeless powder muzzle loader. This is the same design that Savage is currently using as its Model 10ML.) build a rifle for my son while my wife was still pregnant with him.
I had a Remington Model 7 Youth Model in .243 stored away that I had purchsed on closeout sale. I had fired it before and knew it was a mild shooting rifle but completely average in ballistics and accuracy.
Off went the rifle to Henry Ball. He started with the action trued and squared, the the bolt lugs lapped and bolt face squared. He installed a 20" McGowen super match grade, chrome-moly barrel and chambered it in 6.5-.284. He finished the barrel/action work with a hand done, recessed target style crown. Then he glass and steel pillar bedded the action into an old style Bell and Carlson Carbalite stock with intergral sling mounts.
The paint job is my own design called "Cedar Shadow" using tree branches as stencils. I also installed a Leupold scope base and a set of engraved Millet rings holding a 2.5x8 Leupold Vari X III scope.
 
It cetainly is not as pretty as many here, no curly wood, fiddle back grained wood stock, or engraved receiver. But I reckon it is about as dead custom as any rifle made. You know, every time it kicks three or four 129 grain Hornady SPBT Interlocks at 2900 FPS into one ragged hole at 100 yards I remember why I built it and I am glad I did.
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« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2006, 06:28:43 AM »
riddleofsteel

            Nice job on the rifle, I like the caliber, I'm stuck on .264 to .284 bullets. I do want to fix up a rifle like you did but ib 250 Savage Imp one day. I have one like it but in 257 Roberts Imp.
Is there much muzzle blast on the short barrel on your rifle?

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« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2006, 01:54:02 PM »
Have anyone given any tought to the 6mm International Improved? Its a 250 savage (I use 22-250 brass) necked to 6 then blown out. Man mine shoots like a dream. Been several years in use and the accuracy hasnt dropped off much. (even after several pounds of western Oklahoma sand digested on prairie dog hunts. Recoil just aint there, works good on little powder. Also nice that it shoots fireform loads way less than  half an inch.
 

110 savage action
extra thick remington recoil lug (get rid of that ugly barrel nut)
Shilen select match ss barrel cut to 21" (I'm sure thats alot of it)


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« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2006, 10:21:05 AM »
What's a custom rifle?? That's a difficult question to answer or more precisely a difficult one to agree to. Custom is a very broad term. Any rifle altered to make that rifle work better from an individual's standpoint is a custom. We heard 'semi-custom' and 'full-custom' used and that is a better idea. Let's consider and altered rifle a custom of some level but we need to better illustrate the level.. i.e. customized(altered a bit per indivisdual taste0, semi-custom(altered a lot but major components unchanged or little changed), full-custom(little remains of the original rifle but the action).. Just my shot at the definition..
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« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2006, 11:34:23 AM »
If I take a custom made action and build a gun to suit my personal preferences from that or buy a gun from a pawn shop and keep only the action and build a gun from there I see little difference.
I see only a minor difference between those and rebarreling a rifle that I have - if I go to the trouble to have the action trued and the stock modified to fit me a bit better - even if I keep the chambering.

What is a custom rifle? it is one that I have modified to fit me and my preferences better than the off the shelf gun does. It usually requires a barrel that is better than the factory stuff and a trigger that is set to my preferences. I use cartridges that fit my preferences and they are not always available - so a custom chambering is employed but not necessarily a wildcat.

Are these custom guns?

03A3 Remington - action trued, barrel trued and refit - still in 3006. Bolt turned, drilled, tapped, one piece mount and a Simmons scope. Timney trigger and safety and a semi-finished stock, bedded with glass, hand-rubbed Tung oil finish and the barrel free floated.

Remington action trued, Douglas barrel in magnum profile, Timney trigger, factory stock glass bedded, refinished in tung oil, cut and fitted with a recoil pad at a 13" trigger pull. Base and scope mounted and chambered in 358 Winchester.

A Thompson Center TCR chambered for 6mm-30 (30-30 necked down - no shoulder change). Trigger polished and tuned. It came with the scope of my choice. Stock cut down and fitted with a recoil pad to optimized the length of pull for me.

and then this one:
An SKS - taken down to the action. The action was trued, and machined for new cartridge. A Douglas magnum barrel fitted and chambered in 357 Maximum. No gas system, new stock in plastic. It was a lot of work and is a great "straight pull" bolt action 357 Maximum carbine and shoots very well.

For me, they are each custom in one fashon or another but only the carbine is a total remake from the ground up. My favorite for shooting is the 03A3 but the 358 comes in as a close second.

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« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2006, 07:21:54 AM »
Paul, who did that SKS for you?  That sounds dead sexy.
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« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2006, 01:56:05 PM »
Yep, you can never go wrong with a nice 358 Winchester.  I'd like to build a custom left-handed bolt gun someday.  But for now I very happy with my Browning BLR in 358 Winchester.

A lot of people don't know it, or the cartridge wouldn't be 90% dead, but the 358 Winchester is only 7-8% behind the 35 Whelen in performance and does it with about 15% less powder.

Best little BIG gun there ever was!!
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« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2006, 06:51:44 PM »
Quote from: riddleofsteel
I had Henry Ball of Bill's Custom Guns Greensboro, N.C. (He is the inventor of the smokeless powder muzzle loader. This is the same design that Savage is currently using as its Model 10ML.) build a rifle for my son while my wife was still pregnant with him.
I had a Remington Model 7 Youth Model in .243 stored away that I had purchsed on closeout sale. I had fired it before and knew it was a mild shooting rifle but completely average in ballistics and accuracy.
Off went the rifle to Henry Ball. He started with the action trued and squared, the the bolt lugs lapped and bolt face squared. He installed a 20" McGowen super match grade, chrome-moly barrel and chambered it in 6.5-.284. He finished the barrel/action work with a hand done, recessed target style crown. Then he glass and steel pillar bedded the action into an old style Bell and Carlson Carbalite stock with intergral sling mounts.
Nice rig, nice choice of cartridge
The paint job is my own design called "Cedar Shadow" using tree branches as stencils. I also installed a Leupold scope base and a set of engraved Millet rings holding a 2.5x8 Leupold Vari X III scope.
 
It cetainly is not as pretty as many here, no curly wood, fiddle back grained wood stock, or engraved receiver. But I reckon it is about as dead custom as any rifle made. You know, every time it kicks three or four 129 grain Hornady SPBT Interlocks at 2900 FPS into one ragged hole at 100 yards I remember why I built it and I am glad I did.
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« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2006, 07:04:43 PM »
Got this gun made up by Hart Barrels I gave him a action and he did the magic on it, Rem 700s/a, 24" premium stainless fluted, in  desert McMillan in 7mmwsm total weight, less scope 6.7lbs
Testing powders fired 3 shots under.125 at 100 yards and .460" at 200 yards.H 4831s/c 140 gr nosler BT at 3200fps, this is more than I expected for light hunting gun, but these wsm cases just seem to shoot.
Shot a 200lb buck last year at 390 yards.It was like a lightning hit him.
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