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Offline NimrodRx

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« on: January 12, 2006, 01:17:38 PM »
After much deliberation, I settled on a Tikka T3 Varmint chambered in 22-250 rem (24” blued, varmint barrel, composite stock).  While placing the order, it came to our attention that the wholesaler was running an overstock special on CZ 527 Americans chambered in .204 ruger (22” blued, walnut).  The deal was too good to pass up.  The next day I had two new rifles to play with.  God Bless America!  (My next-door neighbor has a FFL and does a small business out of his basement.  My wife says it’s kinda like a crack head living next to a meth lab).  :-D  

I have never owned a CZ or a Tikka, but have been wanting to test drive both for a while now.  The following is my initial impression of these two rifles.  This is just my opinion, and we know what opinions are like.  I’m not trying to convince anyone one-way or the other.  Just thought it might be interesting for someone else out there that may be considering one of these rifles.

Tikka T3 Varmint.  Initial impression was that the heavy varmint barrel with the composite stock created a muzzle heavy rifle.  Surprisingly, when shouldered, the rifle balanced well.  The trigger guard, clip, bolt shroud (and other parts I’m sure) are a type of plastic.  This was the one thing that has kept me from buying a T3 sooner.  Only time will tell if this is going to be an issue.  I am told that this plastic is remarkably strong.  In this rifle, the plastic may prove to be beneficial.  It lightens the rifle up a bit.  It’s about 8lbs out of the box.  Not bad for a varmint.  The raised cheek piece puts my eye right where I like it.  The checkering, palm swell, and beaver tail forend are functional and aesthetically pleasing.  The trigger breaks like a glass a glass rod - right out of the box.  I'm not even going to touch it.  It really is that good – honest.  All my Rugers have Timneys in them (which I like), but I would put this factory trigger even ahead of the Timney.  The bolt is so smooth it’s sick.  I mean the thing feels like it’s rolling on ball bearings.

The rifle comes with an integrated scope rail and rings.  I topped it with a Weaver Grand Slam 3X10, bore sighted, and headed behind the house.  All of my hand loads are pretty hot, so I grabbed an old box of factory Remington 55gr PSPs to use while the barrel is new.  Contrary to what I read, I was able to single feed the rifle (the ejection port is very small).  

What happened next is a first for me and will most likely never happen again.  As I lined up the cross hairs on my 50 yrd target, I caught a glimpse of a ferule cat down range (you can see where this is going).  The cat was walking between the 100 & 200 yard targets.  He stopped at about 140 yrds and I thought what the heck, we’ll see how good she’s bore sighted.  Put it on his shoulder and squeezed.  He flew about three feet in the air and fell over dead :eek:  :eek: .  Needless to say, I was stoked.  A confirmed kill on the first round through the chamber, now that’s some good mojo!  Decided there wasn’t any need to shoot at the 50 yrd target so I decided to shoot a three shot group at 100.  The next two rounds were a ragged hole an inch high, windage was perfect.  I pulled the third round half an inch to the left.  Those are the only four rounds I have had a chance to put through the rifle.

So, with some old factory ammo, I was able to get a kill and shoot a sub moa group. :-D   As I look at that target sitting on my bench, I can still hardly believe it.  This rifle has incredible promise.  I can’t wait to feed her some reloads and find her sweet spot.  Overall rating:  A-  This rifle is made by the same people who make Sakos on the same machines.  It shows.  I truly believe this is twice the value of a Sako.  That being said, of course I would still rather have a Sako, but then again, I can buy two Tikkas for that price.  The only thing that keeps me from giving it an A is the plastic clip and trigger guard, probably not even an issue.    


 
The CZ.  We actually ordered six CZs so I had a few from which to choose.  I was shocked.  None of them had the unbelievable Turkish walnut I’ve heard so much about.  The one that I chose was nice wood indeed, but nothing special.  Of course the one with the best wood had the absolute worst trigger.  TERRIBLE trigger.  More creep than a 40 yr old man at a Brittney Spears concert.  That was remedied by swapping that wood with one of the CZs that had a fair trigger (one of the advantageous of living next to the dealer).  Still some creep, but when you get there, it breaks nice.  Certainly better than any of my factory Ruger triggers.  Swapping the bbls lead to the discover of what I consider an awkward if not poor design.  The means by which the clip (which is all metal btw) is secured is a little tricky to reassemble.  Now that I have taken the action out a couple of times it’s NBD, but I admit to getting a little frustrated the first time.  Then again, I’m not a patient man.  Fit and finish is really quite good, tolerances are tight.  CZ seems to have come along way in this regard.  The bluing is very good.  The bolt is surprisingly smooth and solid.  It is built on a Mauser style action.  I was surpised though that the bolts weren’t matched to the rifle.  All my other bolt guns have the serial # on both the bolt and the rifle.  These do not.  The bolt throw is also less than desirable – a full 90 degrees.  As a result, scopes have to be mounted high :cry: .  I don’t like this at all.  Then again, that’s just my personal preference.  The other oddity is the safety.  It is the opposite of every rifle I’m used to.  You have to slide the safety back toward you to fire and push it forward for safe.  This will probably end up costing me a coyote some day, I’m a creature of habit.    

Rings are also included with this rifle, nice, heavy, solid, high rings.  Mine now wears a Weaver Grand Slam 1.5-5.  Not a “big” scope, and still, the bolt BARELY clears.  This scope and rifle will be used primarily as my calling/walking rifle so I wanted a big FOV and low power for those close in shots.  We put an old Charles Daly 3X9 that was laying around on the rifle my dad took.  That bolt would not clear the bell of the scope.  We ended up filing off a few thousandths of the scope to get the bolt to clear.  It aint pretty, but it will work.    

I have yet to shoot the rifle and will reserve final judgment until then.  Dad’s coming over this weekend for some bench time.  It will be nice to have two to shoot.  We bought some Hornady 32gr Vmax ammo and a .204 RCBS die.  

IF the rifle shoots close to as well as the Tikka (that’s a pretty tall order though), I will consider it a good buy and would consider other CZs.  Afterall, it was $200 less than the Tikka.  If it doesn’t, shoot MOA or better, next time I’ll save up another $200 and get a T3.

I’ll let you know how it shoots.  

Good luck with your shopping.  Remember, there are no bad rifles.  Some are just better than others.  Good shootin.  :D
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« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2006, 02:28:53 PM »
Bad trigger on a CZ ?????  Why didn't you just use the set trigger feature?

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« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2006, 02:35:54 PM »
Tell me more Krochus.  As I said, I picked the CZ up on a whim.  Haven't even cleaned it yet or looked through the manual.  

Set trigger?  Didn't even know it had the feature :oops:  :oops:   How do you set it?
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« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2006, 03:13:23 PM »
First off read the owners manual :D   But seriously just push the trigger forward with the rifle cocked to set it, then you will have a sub 1lb glass rod trigger.

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« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2006, 03:31:27 PM »
Yah, yah, yah…  I know.  Reading an owner’s manual is almost as much fun as asking for directions.  In both cases though it’s usually a good idea.  Thanks for the info.   :D
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« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2006, 04:21:07 PM »
My 550 had a little creep,that is easy to adjust as well as the weight .As faar as the safety,the old ones were push forward for safe, the new 550's are forward to fire like all my other guns.The trigger on mine is far and I mean FAR nicer than any other rifle I have shot.Be it browning,savage ruger weatherby,tikka or sako.Shoots nice little groups,one thing I was not sure of when I bought a 375...Read the book,it will show you how to adjust the trigger to your liking..The bolt on mine was not real smooth when I got it but after a hundred or so rounds it is mighty slick now..Congrats of getting 2 rifles!!!!! I bought a new 25-06 for christmas for myself as well! :lol:

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« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2006, 07:03:30 PM »
Jeeze, I have a monster of a scope mounted on my CZ 527, a simmons 6.5x20x50 and have virtually no problems with bolt clearance at all. To be honest, the scope is somewhat large for the petite little mini-Mauser. Kinda looks like I have a television set mounted on top of my rifle. I would highly recommend reading the owner manual. It tells you, on page 20, how to adjust your trigger. They are easily adjustable for trigger pull, creep and over-travel. You will need a very small open end wrench for the securing nut and a thin-bladed screw driver to do the job. Most folks do not mess with the set adjustment as that is factory set at just around 12 ounces. I have adjusted the triggers on two CZ 527s and four CZ 550s, which use the same system of pushing the regular trigger all the way forward until it clicks into the set position. You can adjust the regular trigger to break clean. My CZ 527 breaks right at 2.5 pounds. It began as a CZ 527 Lux. I removed the frong sight, drove the rear sight out of its bed before putting on the scope. I bought one of the aftermarket CZ-USA Fancy Grade American Walnut stocks and had to do some minor inletting and a glassbedding job, but then, I glassbed all of my rifles as a matter of routine. That rifle, in .223 Remington, will stick five 50 grain slugs into a group the size of a dime from 100 yards with no worries at all. I could be wrong, but I think if you give your CZ half a chance it just might turn out to be quite a rifle for you. That said, any manufacturer can turn out a rifle that is nothing more than a lemmon from the get-go. Good luck with both rifles ... Tom Purdom :grin:

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« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2006, 05:07:36 AM »
I too was very worried about the plastic trigger guard, bolt shroud etc on my Tikka 30-06 that I used to own. I decided since I liked the rifle I would simple call Tikka and order spare parts in the event I ever had a plastic part break.

Long story short, you just won't believe how much Tikka told me those "plastic" trigger guards and shrouds would cost for me to purchase! :shock:  :evil:

Needless to say, this REALLY annoyed me to the point where I've since sold my Tikka and don't plan on buying another one anytime soon.! I don't care how good Tikkas shoot.

Had Tikka simply used steel instead of plastic I'd still own it and I'm sure others as well. I just can't accept such money saving shortcuts and then to add insult to injury be insulted by having plastic parts priced like GOLD!  

Tikka can keep their rifles. I'll buy Ruger, Winchester, Savage, Browning or Remingtons from now on.

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« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2006, 05:56:14 AM »
lead poison,The "plastic" trigger gaurds and bolt shrouds are probably as strong as or stronger than the steel ones.....NOT defending thier price,but I can't see you breaking one without dropping it out of a tree onto a rock.....just my .02
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« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2006, 06:49:42 AM »
The non steel parts on my Tikka t3 don't bother me at all. At least I don't have to worry about rust. :grin:
I'm not positive if it's true :(  but I have heard that Tikka uses the same material that Glock pistols are made from. Just ask 65% of all law enforcement agencies in the U.S.A. how strong this stuff (plastic) is. Of these 65% include the F.B.I., D.E.A. and the N.Y.P.D. Not to mention the U.S military and many other countries militaries. Now I know these agencies have to be putting these glocks through more toture than I could put a clip and a trigger gaurd on a deer rifle through.
Here are a few words from Glock's website about plastic.



High-Impact Resistant Polymer

The frame on a GLOCK handgun is made out of a synthetic that is actually stronger than steel, yet 86% lighter. It's virtually indestructible. A GLOCK pistol can withstand temperatures ranging from -40°C (-40 F) to +70°C (+158 F) and still come out firing. :gun4:

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« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2006, 11:30:48 AM »
It's pretty bad when you gripe about something that isn't even broken, and probably never will.  My POS plastic on my 6 year old Tikka works like a charm.  I will agree that the prices for parts are rediculous, but I don't intend on needing any of them.   To me it's just like buying the parts for a Chevy Z-71....if you bought the parts individually and put them together my truck would cost $50,000.

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« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2006, 11:48:06 AM »
out of morbid curiousity,how much do the trigger guard and bolt shroud cost?
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« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2006, 03:04:59 PM »
The CZ can be set up as a set trigger or as a regular trigger. One you push forward to set the other you have to make three different adjustments to the trigger but then all you have to do is pull the trigger. I have 3 CZ 527 model rifles and have mine set to just 2.5 pounds.

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« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2006, 04:30:05 PM »
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« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2006, 04:35:00 PM »
Thanks guys.  I went through the manual and it looks like the trigger adjustment is pretty easy.  That should make a big difference.  If this thing is a shooter, and I have every reason to believe it will be, I will be most pleased with the rifle.  The price is certainly right.

I don't know about my scope issue.  Maybe the bell on those Weavers are just unusually large.  It is a 1.5X5X32 Grand Slam.  

I don't know about the price of a T3 trigger guard, but I did price a replacement clip - $70!  Pretty steep.  Then again, my guess is that the only reason I will have to replace it is if I lose it.
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« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2006, 05:40:42 PM »
NimrodRx:  Good to hear your experience with the T3 Varmint.  I've been eye-balling one for awhile.  Also noticed the great wholesale closeout on the CZ (have my FFL).  Also been eye-balling the Browning Varmint Stalker.  As you can see, itching to buy another rifle!!!  Where are you located in MI?  I'm in Alden, 26 miles N.E. of Traverse City.
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« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2006, 02:47:11 AM »
NimrodRx: Forgot to ask, is the adjustable cheekpiece and palm swell ambidextrous on the Tikka?  I shoot left handed!
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« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2006, 12:10:07 PM »
Chris, I hear ya.  So many guns, so little money.  Good luck with your decision.

Yes, the Tikka is ambidextrous.  Well, outside of the bolt anyway.

I'm near Lansing.
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« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2006, 10:50:50 AM »
Just an update guys.  I finally got some time to spend with the .204 CZ.  You were correct, the trigger is beautifully adjustable.  VERY nice.  I also found the serial # on the bolt - they are matched.  And yes, she's a shooter too.

After spending some time zeroing the scope and breaking the barrel in a bit (let's not open that can of worms guys.  I know it might not be necessary, but it makes me feel good. :wink: ), I finally shot a five shot group without cleaning inbetween.  It measured .77 inches.  I was shooting the 32 gr Hornad VMax factory ammo - still collecting brass before I start rolling my own.  

I LOVE the Tikka, but this little CZ is so light and handy, I've reached for it every time we've gone out coyote hunting.  It is such a great little call rifle.  That little 1.5X5 Grand Slam lights up the night.  I hope the Tikka doesn't get jealous...  :-D
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