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« on: December 09, 2005, 12:12:30 AM »
The Liberals have finally come out from under the sheeps clothing guys. They want your handguns. Rifles will be next.

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« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2005, 12:15:52 AM »
Martin proposes sweeping ban on handguns
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Liberal Leader Paul Martin is proposing a sweeping ban on handguns to combat growing gun-related violence in Canada's cities.

"Handguns kill people -- that's why they exist, and they're taking too many Canadian lives," said Martin during his "safer communities announcement" at a school near Toronto's violence-plagued Jane and Finch area this morning.

Details of the Liberal proposal include:

    * a new 250 officer unit from the RCMP dedicated solely to fighting gun-related crimes, as well as other organized crime and drug trafficking;
    * 75 new officers at Canada Border Services to combat illegal importation of handguns from the U.S.;
    * tougher sentences for gun-related crimes, by changing the Criminal Code to double the mandatory minimum sentences for such crimes;
    * encouraging community-based gun prevention, with help from a $50-million Gun Violence and Gang Prevention Fund to focus on youth at risk;
    * waving the re-registration fees for owners of long guns in order to encourage compliance with the Canada Firearms Program; and
    * a gun amnesty and buy-back program that draws from an Australian model, including a gun stoppers initiative aimed at ensuring the turn-in of illegal weapons.

"Taken together, these are reforms designed to reduce crime, to combat gun violence in our cities and better protect Canadians," said Martin.  

A handgun registry in Canada already exists and has been active for more than 60 years. But a rash of gun-related violence in some of Canada's major urban centres has prompted Martin to promise even stricter laws. In Toronto, gunfire has killed 50 people so far this year.

Handguns are currently classified as either restricted or prohibited. Canadians can get a handgun license by proving the weapon is part of a collection, in target-shooting competitions, or for target practice.

The announcement will likely be popular in vote-rich urban centres. But it could anger voters in rural areas, already upset at the Liberal-created registry for long guns. The registry, created 10 years ago, was supposed to cost just $2 million -- but the price tag continued to rise to more than $1 billion.

Tony Cannavino, president of the Canadian Professional Police Association, said he agrees with most of the Liberal proposal.

"Adding 250 RCMP officers to join with provincial and municipal police officers, to address the issue of street gangs, organized crime, and tracking the illegal entry of guns, I think that could do some good work," he said on CTV's Mike Duffy Live.

"We've seen its success in the past, when they created a taskforce in Quebec to fight against bikers. It did succeed. To put 75 more people at the borders is also good thing, but we need to see RCMP officers patrolling borders, too."

He disagreed that a sweeping ban on handguns would be very successful in combating urban violence, considering that most guns used in shootings are obtained illegally. He said the answer is tougher sentencing –- beyond the doubling of minimum sentencing included in the Liberal proposal.

"It's illegal guns, stolen guns, and those violent criminals have to know for a fact that if they get caught with a gun, they're going (to prison) for a long time," Cannavino said.

Before the Liberal minority government collapsed, Justice Minister Irwin Cotler tabled legislation that includes an increase in the minimum sentence on some gun crimes, and tougher parole rules for gun crime offenders.

There are already more than a dozen gun crimes that carry minimum sentences of one to four years, and calls for stiffer penalties have won backing from police groups.

Critics

But some legal experts believe that tougher sentences will do little to end the violence. In fact, they say such laws will merely strain an already over-taxed court system and put more minority youth behind bars.

"There's this real concern out there that we're moving towards this pander to law-and-order types' (trend),'' Bill Trudell, chairman of the Canadian Council of Criminal Defence Lawyers, told the Canadian Press.

"We know it's not going to work.''

Dudley Laws of the Black Action Defence Committee, a group devoted to ending gun violence in Toronto, has also disagreed with tougher sentencing.

"What we want is for the Prime Minister and his Cabinet to empower and give the community the capacity to make the immediate and intense intervention that is required to deal with our young people," he said.

But Wendy Cukier, co-founder of the Coalition for Gun Control said existing laws limiting the availability of handguns and the use of rifles and shotguns have been effective.

"Five hundred fewer people are killed with guns today than 16 years ago," Cukier said Thursday on CTV's Canada AM. "There's no question that stronger gun laws in Canada have made a big difference. In spite of the surge in Toronto over the last year, gun murders are the lowest in 30 years. ... Murders of women with guns are down 66 per cent.

"So it's really misleading to suggest we're not getting anything for the investment in gun control."

Gun lobby

Not surprisingly, reaction from the firearms lobby to the proposed ban has been negative.

"It's going to accomplish nothing. There's already all types of legislation and illegal use of handguns is out of control," Wayne Fields, president of the Law-Abiding Registered Firearms Association, told the Canadian Press.

"They have to concentrate on the illegal drugs and the criminals that are using the firearms -- get them off the street. They're not going to get rid of guns, it's impossible."

But former Liberal premier Brian Tobin said it's important that the government takes a clear and strong position with respect to handguns.

"It also matters when you have the National Rifle Association showing up in Canada and deciding to endorse the Conservative campaign in this case, and try and inject their agenda ... into the Canadian electoral process."

Conservative leader Stephen Harper, meanwhile, issued a statement Thursday saying he supports tough gun control. He added that a Conservative government would:

    * crack down on illegal gun use;
    * stop the flow of illegal guns at our border; and
    * bring in mandatory minimum prison sentences.

"The Liberals have done none of these things," said Harper in the statement. "They must take responsibility for the growth in gun crime on their watch. Gun crime has spun out of control because they have failed to do anything to reduce gun crime."

NDP Leader Jack Layton said he would have to study the proposal before commenting, but indicated that he would support tougher gun controls.

"I have said for many, many years -- handguns have no place in cities," Layton said when asked to speak to the issue at a Dartmouth, N.S. press conference this morning.

He said his party had brought up the problem of guns "flooding into the country" repeatedly during the last Parliament, but that "nothing was done."

"If we're finally starting to see some action on it, we'll take a look at what's proposed," said Layton.
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« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2005, 10:45:44 AM »
minorities  in the vote rich areas are more important to them than the more rural areas in the country. It still amazes me that canadians as a whole are too stupid to see through this.
you wanna take my guns? go ahead, it's your arm!

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« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2005, 11:47:27 AM »
* waving the re-registration fees for owners of long guns in order to encourage compliance with the Canada Firearms Program;

Great, more taxpayer money down the drain.

Five hundred fewer people are killed with guns today than 16 years ago," Cukier said Thursday on CTV's Canada AM. "There's no question that stronger gun laws in Canada have made a big difference. In spite of the surge in Toronto over the last year, gun murders are the lowest in 30 years. ... Murders of women with guns are down 66 per cent.
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This is the lady whose sister was killed in that mass murder in Montreal 16 years ago.  I wonder if she is including the stats simply from that year, which would skew the results in her favour badly.  
A tragic occurance, but again, does not prove the point.

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« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2005, 12:57:47 PM »
I feel for you canadians. Man, what a load of... I thought we had it bad here in the USA.

Hey, maybe they should just pass a law to make murder illegal. That would cure all the problems. That way all you law obiding citizens could still keep your rights and freedoms.

Oh wait, that's right, this IS about taking your rights and freedoms away, under the guise of "crime prevention"

What gun grabbers will never admit or understand is that psycos with sharp pencils are far more dangerous than normal productive common folks with guns.

 John Y Cannuck, nice post for getting your fellow canucks to get active. I saw your post on this on another forum as well. Good work.

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« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2005, 01:15:16 PM »
Close to 80% feel that the proposed handgun ban will NOT reduce crime....

http://forums.huntontario.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/1-15051-124948-4260/poll+results.jpg

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« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2005, 06:05:37 AM »
I have never owned a handgun, and never really wanted too, but now that they want to take them away, I want to go and get one!
I want to know who this 20% is that figure it will work here when it has failed everywhere else.
We need to crackdown on the ILLEGAL guns.  If I wanted to, I could get one within the day in downtown Calgary.  Its not hard if you have the cash.
The other thing I hate is that if anyone sticks up for the rights of handgun owners, they will be labeled as "evil" or just plain wrong by our liberal loving media. :x  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x

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« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2005, 11:43:38 AM »
I don't own a handgun but hunt with rifles.   Why not  just ban handguns in larger cities where handguns are a problem in both murders and crime..if you think that will solve the problem!  Why should the whole country suffer from the handgun ban where there are no problems?  Our laws are not stiff enough when a handgun is used in a crime.  


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« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2005, 01:45:59 PM »
the feds left it up to the individual provinces as to whether or not they want to participate. only one has said they will.....ontario. is that not vote buying, or what? :x
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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2005, 03:07:17 PM »
Hey Hummer... wake up pal!

Remember when a guy killed his wife (or ex-wife) with a hand- crossbow in Ottawa a few years ago? They became instantly prohibited! All it took was that one instance and the "if only one life is saved" crowd got them banned!

Are ya gonna wait until they say, sometime in the future: "We must stop people from killing each other with hunting guns. (obviously criminals aren't using handguns nowadays, 'cause they were banned after the Liberals won that election in '06, eh) Rifles and shotguns  are designed for one reason and one reason only, to KILL! They now need to be banned,  if only one life is saved.. etc..."

Is that what it will take for you to 'get it' ?

Surprise Hummer, it will be waaaay too late by then. You and your rifle hunting days will be over! Start studying up now on how to hunt with a spear.. or truthfully, with a camera!

So when the feds come after your lever action, pump, bolt action.. or even your single shot (because we all know crimes are only going to be committed with long guns after the handgun ban) are you gonna be there with "Why not just ban rifles ... why should the whole country suffer". I know I can hunt with a spear..and I'll help make this country safer..  etc"

If you believe handguns should be banned, even if it is only in cities  because you say ".. where handguns are a problem in both murders and crime.." you must somehow be able to convince yourself to also believe that when they are banned, criminals won't be using them anymore; and if that is true, the only guns they will be able to use in their nefarious activities will be long guns - like yours!

You see, (or maybe you don't) criminals want some way to convince, or coerce, other people to do what they (the criminal) wants. One historical, and very effective way is to have access to a weapon of some kind, while preventing your victim from having access to same.

By the way, some people, over the years have observed, and even written articles and books on how often governments assist criminals in these very things? Have you ever noticed that?  

You may also have noticed (or not) that rifles and shotguns can be used as coercive weapons, so when Canada's criminals have given up the handgun (what else can they do in face of the handgun ban?) chances are rifles and shotguns will be substituted.

That is what Great Britain's, and Australia's government thought too (can't say all governments are short sighted now can you?) so they preemptively restricted most long guns, and banned some of them just for good measure!

However they must have missed some little thing that prevented it from working really well, because Britain's violent crime rate is up significantly. See this BBC article from 2001- and it ain't decreased any since! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1440764.stm

And this quote, from the beloved CBC's website; even they allow there may be serious doubts: In theory, handguns have been controlled through registration since the 1930s and effectively illegal for all but target shooters since 1991.

The harsh reality is that people inclined to use handguns are not concerned much by what the law says. Virtually all the handguns on the streets of Canadian cities have been stolen from legal collections in Canada or smuggled from the United States.
Am I mistaken, or is it already against the law in Canada (i.e. banned) to be stealing and/or smuggling?

More from a piece from the CBC: In 1997 Britain enacted some of the strictest gun laws in the world. While the number of licensed gun owners in that country has declined sharply, the illegal use of guns in crime has more than doubled since the laws were introduced.

According to U.K. Home Office figures, there were 9,974 crimes involving guns in Britain in 2002, compared to just less than 5,000 reported in 1997. Over the same period the number of homicides committed with guns has increased by 64%.

Handguns, which were the main focus of the ban in Britain, have seen the biggest rise in use by criminals. Home Office figures show that the number of crimes involving handguns has more than doubled since the ban, from 2,636 in 1997 to 5,871 in 2002. Injuries caused by handguns have also increased significantly, from 317 in 1997 to 648 in 2002.


And here's a headline to an article about what's going on the land of OZ: Crime up Down Under Since Australia's gun ban, armed robberies increase 45% - link here: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=15304

So, in a purely logical, and oft demonstrated, sense, laws banning handguns -or any guns for that matter- actually seem to increase the very thing they are (supposedly) designed to stop.

How is it that so few (like you there Hummer) seem to notice that!?

And as for your statement:  
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Our laws are not stiff enough when a handgun is used in a crime.


wake up some more pal... our laws are laughable when anything is used in a crime... the Canadian Justice system is just plain laughable - except it ain't really funny enough to be laughable.

And anyway, if you are really serious about banning items that are used in murder and mayhem, take a long hard look at banning knives and blunt instruments - they far outnumber handguns as murder weapons in Canada. Could we have a litttle consistency here please from the if only one life is saved and the make Canada a safer place folks!

By the way guys, don't be misled by my New Mexico location, I am a Canuck, currently living (happily I might add) in the US. In a state that actually allows me to carry a handgun if I choose (concealed if I take the appropriate course and otherwise openly) Imagine that, a state that for the most part, simply trusts me to be responsible.

Strange concept for most Canadians, eh? Being trusted by the government. What a mind-blowing concept for those (like myself even) who grew/grow up in Canada, and are so used to the paternalist, socialist society we know and love.
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« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2005, 04:15:38 AM »
I would hope that hummer was talking about illegal handguns?? if not, then your rifles could easily be next on the list........
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« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2005, 04:54:40 AM »
Thanks for the response.   I was waiting for this kind of input.
  You will never controll illegal handguns no matter how many laws you put out there. The only way to stop or detter murders is to bring back the death penalty.  Knowing that death awaits you if you kill someone is one way of perhaps stopping some of the murders. It is people that kill people not guns! so deal with the murders and criminal aspect of guns.
  I like the idea in NM that you can carry a handgun out in the open...perhaps it would have saved some lives in Northern Ontario or Canada against black bears...especially the doctor that was killed near Chapleau ....but the people will scream if that ever happens here.
As for taking all guns away as in Australia and England...that is nonsense disarming the population.  The criminals will always have guns.
If you buy a  game tag to hunt then the gov't knows that there could be guns at that residence so if they want to bother they could search every residence holding a game tag for guns.  You really don't have to register them ..they'll get them some how.    
The gun registery and it's 2 billion dollar waste still didn't stop the killing that is going on in Toronto...because criminals don't register there guns!  The legal handguns are registered  already and taking them away won't stop the illegal ones.
. . You have to look at your police to do their  job..... and a stiffer justice system to carry it out...:D
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« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2005, 12:19:36 PM »
well hummer, if you were looking to fire up some people.........it worked!!!!! :wink:
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« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2005, 02:53:26 PM »
Right On!!! :twisted:
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« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2005, 09:17:59 AM »
Banning legally owned handguns to reduce illegal handgun crimes is like banning prescription drugs to reduce illegal drug usage. I don't have any handguns, but I hunt with rifles and shotguns. First the gun registry, now this...