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Offline Jano

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Whats "Breaking in your new gun"
« on: November 27, 2005, 06:36:24 PM »
Hows it going everyone, I am kind of new to the hunter's world.... What do they mean when people say "yeh you need to break your new rifle in, first 200 rounds should do that for you"

Also, when I first bought my 30/06 (about a month ago or so, its remington 700 sps), I noticed that (before firing the rifle at all) I stood the rifle upward.... and tryed to put a bullet into the muzzle to see how far it went down..... It did not go down that far, actually only 1/2 of it did (almost seemed like the barrel was smaller than the 30 caliber bullet).....However after taking it to the range and blasting about 50 rounds in 1 day, I noticed that when i did the "muzzle test" again, I noticed this time that the bullet went down further in the barrel and I thought that was kind of weird..... it feels like the 50 bullets I fired off made the barrel a little wider....
Can someone explain this to me, why Did the barrel get wider after shooting it for the first time (is this "breaking in the barrel"?)
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« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2005, 08:10:34 PM »
The answer to your first question is that the hole in the barrel is .300". The bullets are .308" This allows the bullet to grip the spiral grooves in the barrel. They are usually .004" on either side of the barrel. Some of this rifling is deeper, usually in rifles made in Europe.

If you didn't allow the barrel to cool between shots, I'd imagine the barrel was eroded to some degree. 3 rounds is a good limit, although 5 doesn't cause enough heat to damage it much. Most erosion occurs in the barrel's throat, the place just ahead of the chamber.

I don't try to break in new barrels, anymore, it seems like every gun magazine author has his own favorite method. I haven't found any to be better than the others.
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« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2005, 07:08:43 PM »
Slamfire is correct to a point, I doubt that you have erosion, more than likely you heated the barrel which caused the barrel to expand slightly, which allowed the bullet to go a little further in the barrel. That is why you only shoot a couple of rounds and then let the barrel cool. Heating a barrel will cause inaccuracy also. As far as barrel break in, I don't do it. I shoot the gun and sight it in, but I do allow the barrel to cool between shots. Everyone has there own way of doing it, which way is right?? I guess they way they do it.  :-D
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« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2005, 09:00:50 PM »
That actually makes alot of sence, I was shooting groups of 4-5 shots with almost no resting in between,
Are you guys saying that I damaged my barel, i mean, is my new gun damaged now ? or is this something that happens to ALL rifles when they first get used.

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« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2005, 10:25:20 PM »
Quote from: Jano
That actually makes alot of sence, I was shooting groups of 4-5 shots with almost no resting in between,
Are you guys saying that I damaged my barel, i mean, is my new gun damaged now ? or is this something that happens to ALL rifles when they first get used.

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I don't think you damaged your barrel. Just let your barrel cool between shots.  :D
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« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2005, 11:02:35 PM »
A rule of thumb i use to determine weither a barrel is too hot is to touch it. If its's uncomfortable to touch it is time to let her cool this happens at about 180 to 200 degrees. I would not sweat it you won't damage a high carbon steel barrel unless you get it Really hot 400 degrees +.
 Most likely culprit on the bullet slipping farther into the bore is inconcistant bullet shape I've ran into this before handloading and it can make seating bullets a royal pain. Hornady and Remington bullets seem to be most guilty of this.

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« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2005, 02:44:29 AM »
When ever I shoot one of my fast [ Above 3000 fps rifles ] I shoot 2 rounds then let my barrel cool. My other rifles that shoot below 3000 fps,
I fire 3 rounds then let my barrel cool. For breaking in I just shoot that rifle like I would shoot it any day and my rifles are very accurate.

What you did should not have hurt your rifle, but I wouldn't do that any more because you will shorten the life of your barrel by continually doing that. :D

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« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2005, 04:59:47 AM »
Actually, 130 degrees is too hot to hold, 170 degrees is scalding temperature.  :D
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« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2005, 05:26:54 AM »
I "break them in" like i'm going to shoot them. I clean it first then take it to the range and blaze away. I know some people who clean after every shot for 50 or 100 rounds. But i don't see the point in it.

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« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2005, 08:11:15 AM »
Jano - what you are basically doing by 'breaking in' your rifle is working the bugs out.  Rifle, handgun or pickup truck, they are all pieces of machinery that will need some 'breaking in' or settling in before they run right - to a degree.  I prefer to feel my actions smoothed a bit through use - it helps to get to know the rifle like that.

Your barrel also needs breaking in.  Your Remington barrel was bored first and if it was straight it would go to finishing - all the roll marks and cuts made after the barrel was bored impart obstructions to the bore that affect accuracy.  In addition, the lands and grooves may not be smooth enough to impart best accuracy.  Rick Jameson has written extensively on barrel fouling and lapping the bore helps greatly, if you need it.  

50 rounds in one day shouldn't worry any Remington owner.  Just make certain you clean your barrel with a good copper residue remover and a good brush to clean it out.   When you have finished, if you can still see copper in the grooves or on the lands at the end of the barrel, keep at it until it comes clean.  Check for loose screws and wipe off your boltface.  HTH.  Mikey.

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« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2005, 08:57:50 AM »
Jano:

This is what I have been told about barrel break in.  Is the following information true?  I don't know.  It sounds plausible to me.  Can you get away with not doing a barrel break in?  Probably.  Maybe the only people who would notice a difference are benchrest target shooters.

I was told by a benchrest target shooter that a new barrel has imperfections from machining -- tool marks that can be considered to be jagged edges on the otherwise smooth surface of the barrel -- the lands of the barrel to be precise.  When you shoot copper jacketed bullets through such a barrel having jagged edges excessive copper fouling -- deposition of copper material on the rifling lands, on the barrel surface -- which leads to shooting inaccuracy.  My shooting bullets through the barrel, these jagged edges are worn down and smoothed out.  However, this smoothing out process is reduced when copper is already rubbed off on these jagged edges.  So, when a barrel is brand new, shoot one shot, clean out the copper, shoot another shot, clean out the copper, shoot a third shot, clean out the copper.   Next, shoot three shots, clean out the copper, shoot another three shots, clean out the coppper, shoot another three shots, clean out the copper.  Then, shoot groups of five shots, clean out the copper, and repeat until you have shot 100 or 150 rounds.  After this process the jagged edges should be smoothed down reasonably well.  If you fail to clean the copper early on, you can always clean it out later, you just are delaying the smoothing process.  One effect he mentioned is that carbon can be deposited in the barrel in association with these jagged edges if you don't follow this process, and that the carbon WILL NOT otherwise come out with further cleaning once it is deposited.

Is this necessary?  Is this guy's explanation correct?  I have no idea.  I do it with my new barrels because it seems the safe thing to do.  Will it ever make a difference in my shooting -- I'm NOT a super accurate benchrest shooter but a hunter looking for good in-the-field hunting accuracy -- I don't know.


On the separate subject of firing rounds and letting the barrel cool off, the issue is that shooting rounds through a "hot" barrel can cause pre-mature erosion of the barrel at the throat -- where the bullet first enters the barrel -- and reduce the accuracy of the rifle.  Does this mean that a barrel that otherwise would be good for 30,000 rounds will only last 15,000 rounds or that a barrel good for 5,000 rounds will only last 1,000 rounds?  I don't know.  I wait 60 seconds between all the rounds I fire, and if the barrel is too hot for me to hold my hand on it comfortably, I will wait longer.  Is this necessary?  I don't know.  I doubt I'm harming my rifle by waiting this long between firing rounds -- by firing faster maybe I WOULD damage my rifle barrel.  I'm being safe.  What should one do?  That is up to you.

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« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2005, 09:33:59 AM »
Also, besides just breaking in the rifle, you are breaking in the shooter.  You need to get it shouldered first (get used to how hard it kicks, where it rests correctly, and how it moves when shot).  Then you get it sighted, find out where it shoots, and where you shoot, where you have tendencies to pull to, and how to correct this.  A gun is made from machines drilling and hammered and crap, so the power of the bullets are a totally different infulence and may change things a little bit.  Just like a car motor, it needs to be worn in.  Then, when things stop changing (and we are talking about the tiniest of movements, scrapes, etc) it settles into how it is going to shoot for the rest of its useful life (which should be longer than yours, your kids, etc with good care)
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« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2005, 10:41:36 AM »
Quote from: Mikey
Jano - what you are basically doing by 'breaking in' your rifle is working the bugs out.  Rifle, handgun or pickup truck, they are all pieces of machinery that will need some 'breaking in' or settling in before they run right - to a degree.  I prefer to feel my actions smoothed a bit through use - it helps to get to know the rifle like that.

Your barrel also needs breaking in.  Your Remington barrel was bored first and if it was straight it would go to finishing - all the roll marks and cuts made after the barrel was bored impart obstructions to the bore that affect accuracy.  In addition, the lands and grooves may not be smooth enough to impart best accuracy.  Rick Jameson has written extensively on barrel fouling and lapping the bore helps greatly, if you need it.
 

50 rounds in one day shouldn't worry any Remington owner.  Just make certain you clean your barrel with a good copper residue remover and a good brush to clean it out.   When you have finished, if you can still see copper in the grooves or on the lands at the end of the barrel, keep at it until it comes clean.  Check for loose screws and wipe off your boltface.  HTH.  Mikey.
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