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Offline hogcatcher

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« on: November 24, 2005, 02:59:16 AM »
was wondering if any one has used these. im thinking of tring them but wondering if it is a sig. differance,,i usually shot an 06 but recently bought a 270 and am wanting to cut down on recoil...in the 06 i use 140 grain but i see in the 270 they have 115 grain in the corloc,,,any opinions would be helpful

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« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2005, 06:20:26 AM »
hogcatcher,
I just went shopping with a co-worker looking for Remington reduced recoil loads late last week. He fired them over the weekend and told me they are much more enjoyable to shoot than standard factory loadings. So, I would assume the same reduced recoil offerings from any of the commercial firms would offer what they are marketing, which is "managable recoil".

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« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2005, 04:08:48 PM »
I personally don't see the point. If the recoil is too much to handle get a rifle chambered for a cartridge that develops less and use full power loags. Usually recoil is the worst when shooting from the most ridgid positions, prone or from a bench leaning down low to cheek the rifle. Sitting and kneeling reduce the sensation considerably, and offhand makes it nearly disappear. Too much gun is worse than not enough.
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« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2005, 05:59:56 PM »
I can think of three reasons why.

1 - The managable recoil level round is not available in the preferred action type.

2 - Recoil shy types who are hoping to over come the affliction and hunt bigger game in the future.

3 - The first gun for a child that wishes to shoot the same round as dear old dad.
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« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2005, 03:11:10 AM »
Or maybe you found the perfect rifle but it's chambered in a magnum cartridge that's really too much for you.

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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2005, 09:37:06 AM »
I recently purchased an ADL in 270 for a loaner rifle because I could get the managed recoil rounds for one of the borrowees. I believe that only the Remington ammo is rated for big game [whitetails].....out to 200 yds. I took both shooters to the range and sighted in the gun with one using standard corelocks and the other using managed recoil. The point of impact was nearly the same and both shooters were pleased with the results. Hope this helps!  :grin:

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« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2005, 04:40:45 AM »
The first bolt action rifle I ever bought was a Browning A-Bolt I (the original A-Bolt) Stainless Stalker in 7mm Rem. Mag. in about 1989.

Back then, I was very much into the numbers hype - you know, velocity, energy, bullet drop, etc., and the 7mm Rem Mag looked King to me.  Only the .300 Win. mag. had "better numbers."

Keep in mind that I was about 19 years old, and I had never shot a 7mm Rem mag.  The only rifle I shot was my dad's wood stocked Remington BDL in .30-06.  People told me that the 7mm Rem Mag kicked more, and the name "Magnum" at the end of the cartridge name obviously would confirm that.

Well, I took that gun to the range and it kicked much more than what I thought.  Looking back,  it was the biggest mistake I ever did.  Why?  Because that is when I started my flinching problems.  Granted, it actually started with my dad's .30-06 because it had a metal butt plate, but it obviously continued with the 7mm Rem mag.

Then, I took the 7mag hunting and shot a doe at 50 yards with it.  Would you believe that, at the impact of the shot, that little 65 pound doe did a complete 180 degree turn when the bullet hit its shoulder.  The meat was so jellied up that the shoulder meat was worthless.

So lesson learned.  What did I do?  I went back and bought the same gun in .270 Winchester.  Guess what?  My flinching problems were already imbedded in my mind from the 7mag.  I shot the .270 much better, but I remember flinching quite a bit.

So then what did I do?  Well, I thought about getting a .243.  I remember reading magazine articles about youngsters learning how to start hunting with a .243.  Also,  many people in Texas used the .243 because the average shots were under 100 yards, and the deer were generally under 120 pounds or so.

However, rather than buying a .243, I got a muzzle brake on the .270.  George Vais, a Greek guy in Houston, was the original owner of the VAIS muzzle brake.  I loved that muzzle brake because it reduced the recoil significantly, yet it was not as loud as what I thought it would be.  Then, I got another Vais MB on the 7mm Rem mag, and it also reduced the recoil significantly.

I have since purchased another type of MB called, if I remember correctly, an MB from Answer Products up in Michigan.  The quality of the installed brake is flawless, and the MB is VERY effective.  In fact, this MB reduces recoil better than the  Vais.  However, this MB is VERY loud, and I can't stand it.  I took a few shots at a hog some years back without hearing protection, and my ears were ringing all night.  I hated it.  The point I am trying to make is that, unless it's a Vais brake, I don't want one installed in my guns.

Even then, I have to admit that MBs are great because they reduce recoil, yet you still get the benefit of the "good numbers."  Again, the only negative is the noise.  Keep in mind that the Vais MB is not quiet, it is just much quieter than other MBs.

In  tying all this together, the added benefit of the reduced velocity loads is that you can shoot a gun without needing a MB with the increased noise.  The trade off is that you have reduced power.  But remember what I said about my 7mag.  When shooting deer the size of dogs within 100 yards, and even 50 yards, you don't need such a gun.  With the reduced loads, I could have used the 7mag and not destroyed as much meat (although I could have similarly accomplished my goal by not shooting at the shoulder).  But still, you get my point.  You can use a big gun with smaller loads for smaller game, yet use standard loads for bigger game.

I think that the new reduced recoil loads are a good idea.  I don't think that people are going to clean the shelves, but I still think that it is a good idea.

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« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2005, 08:12:50 AM »
i was asking because my 12 yo wanted to use my 270  and it will be his first  rifle and i dont want him to be scared...anyway i took it to the range and it was shooting a little low...i adjusted the scope for him and hes actually a pretty good shot...do you think that the lower powered rounds would have made it shoot low...it was about 4 inches @ 75 yds..thanks forall the replies

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« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2005, 06:10:29 PM »
Yes, the change in ammo can change POI.  It may even vary from lot to lot of the same mfg.
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« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2005, 09:53:04 AM »
They make 130gr bullets for 30 caliber. I even think they go lower then the 130 gr bullet for the 30/06. If you don't want recoil. I own a 270 but haven't heard of the 115 gr bullet for it I know of the 90gr bullet that isn't accurate. It was made for ground hogs. Good shooting to ya! :D

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« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2005, 07:26:52 AM »
I have shot the Remington Recoil Managed Loads in my .270 and my 7 mag.   They are great at the range.   1/2 recoil and same POI in my 7 mag.   Now I can shoot the same gun for practice with 1/2 recoil.   Perfect!  The .270 is still having accuracy problems with all loads, but there is not enough recoil to notice when using the light loads.
I called Remington and discovered the Corelokts bullets in these RM loads were specially designed to expand at the lower velocity.   I hope to find out soon so my kids can use the loads in a .270 as soon as possible and use the same gun the rest of their lives with full loads.     A great idea in my opinion.

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« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2005, 11:32:34 AM »
I was shooting for groups with 4 different ammo types in my Remington 700 cdl in .270 with a leupold 4-12x vx-1 scope on cranked up to 12x...I had several boxes each of Remington psp in 130 and 150 grain, as well as winchester super x in 130 grain and i had a box of Rem Managed Recoil that i bought out of curiosity. Of those 4 types of ammo, the Managed Recoil rounds shot the best, and were considerably, and i mean considerably lighter in recoil than the other 3. I could point to the spot i wanted to shoot at, and literally could drill 5 shots into 1/2- 1" at 100 yards.  Needless to say, I ran back to Bass Pro and bought as many boxes as i could with the same lot number. Not only is the recoil less, but you hardly get any muzzle rise, I would highly recommend them to anyone.....I wish i could show you the results, but im not too good with digi cams...