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Crucible's New S30V Knife Steel
« on: November 16, 2005, 10:34:50 AM »
Fred Barker wrote an article for Precision Shooting in which he expressed a high opinion of this steel.  Does anyone in this forum share a similar opinion?
I'd like to have a folding pocket knife if it is as good as he says.  Anyone know of one?
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« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2005, 08:07:15 PM »
CPM S30V is the new darling of the knifemaking set.  It should be a good steel; something like BG-42, which is a GREAT steel, but since it has more Vanadium(about twice as much), it should be even tougher and hold an edge longer.   Should.  All depends on the heat treater.......always does.  Seems like there's always a new steel to carry on about...first it was 440C, then 154CM, and then it's Japanese clone ATS-34, then, ATS-55, then BG-42 then there's CPM-10, and CPM-3, and S60V and an even newer one that William Henry Knives is using in a laminate that is supposed to be even MORE super!!!.  Not to mention Crucibles H-1, a precipitation steel, which uses nitrogen instead of carbon in its matrix, and is work hardened rather than heat treated.   Spyederco is using in their Salt series because it absolutely won't rust. And so it goes.  I haven't tried making a knife with it yet(S30V) since from what I"ve heard it's a bear to mirror polish; and I mirror polish all my blades.  However, I did just buy a Spyderco Native folder at work today(Walmart) for around $39.00(okay, okay I get a 10% discount!!).  I bought it mainly 'cause that's a really good price for the knife(as was mentioned at another post here).  Since I"m not a great big fan of Spyderco(mainly 'cause they're uglier than sin, not that they are poor quality), I will truthfully say I bought it just to check out the steel.  Durned good price for what seems to be a well made knife in that steel.  Besides, I snapped the blade of the Gerber AR-3.0(440A steel) trying to pry a hunk of pallet wood out of a jack, and the Buck Rush I've been carrying has a junky blade(420 steel)...so I just had to have a new one, don't ya know.  Let ya'll know more after I check it out some.

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« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2005, 08:03:49 AM »
After I read what you said about Spyderco's Native I started shopping around on the net.  I didn't know they had other Natives made of other steel.  I think I will wait on your evaluation because they love them too much for me.  The discounts I saw were based on highest retail.
Thanks for the guidance and info.
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« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2005, 08:15:23 PM »
Yeah, looking on the 'net can be a experience in total frustration.  I believe the Natives were also made in VG-10 and GIN-1 amoung others.  The first thing I did to mine was to re-sharpen it with a convex edge using a 700 grit Tri-xact belt and a buffer.  Now has a serious edge to it.  The Spyderco edge looked like it was put on with about a 120 grit belt or whatever they use for final sharpening, and was pretty sharp in the sense that a sawblade is sharp..all those little teeth.  There are those who think that is also what makes knives sharp.....ain't true.  Although most factory edges seem to reinforce that idea.   Been using it in the kitchen and at work some and like it so far.  We'll see how long my edge lasts before I need to hone it back up.  I'm off tomorrow(today) and will be spending some time back in the woods hunting small game and just messin' around.  Give it a better workout then.

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« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2005, 05:50:27 PM »
I forge most of my blades with the ocasional stainless when I get a wild hair so I'm probably not the best person to answere this but I'll give it a try.  S30V is the only stainless I use now unless anouther is requested by a customer.  It's a pain to finish, and you need a GOOD stone or diamond as it's a pain to sharpen, but it's tough(for a stainless steel), and holds an edge forever and isn't that hard to sharpen(again diamonds or ceramics work best)  I've yet to get better than a nice hand rubed finish, don't know if it's even posible to get a good mirror finish.  The best recomendation I have for customers is that when it starts to slow down stop and touch the edge up, you be glad you did if you ever realy blunt the edge.

That is to say if it's heat treated rite.  You can take plain old 1070 that's been heat treated rite and way out perform any super steel that hasn't been heat treated rite.
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« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2005, 05:38:49 PM »
Doc. I picked up that spyderco Native s30v knife today at Sportsmans Warehouse. The price was 60.00 or about the same as the internet sites after shipping. It is one sweet SHARP knife. As of right now, all other things being equal, s30v is just about as good as it gets. Buck and Gerber have introduced a line of these but at this time the are a Cabelas exclusive. Benchmade has several as well. You won't find a s30v knife very cheap as its top quality stuff. Maybe later the price will come down. I can sure report that the Native seems well worth the money to me. Time alone will tell but I have two tags to fill yet and will be giving its edge holding qualities a test. Have a good one. :grin:
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« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2005, 03:24:00 AM »
Thanks for the comment. Looking forward to your evaluation.
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« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2005, 05:06:31 AM »
I've been carrying the Native in S30V for a while now, and meant to write an evaluation, but its been a hectic time for me lately and haven't got around to it.  Quit my job at Walmart(no matter what I did to try and improve the work quality for my guys was shot down, and there are freakin limits............).  Started working on knives full time, plus setting up this new computer/printer/copier....learnin'how to use this new fangled digital camera........sort of jumped into the 21st century with a big splash.   Hopefully I'll learn how to build a website and/or show some of my knives here.  Been moderating this site for close to 4 years now and no one has ever seen my knives exckcept in a couple of e-mails way back which my old MAC refused to do after a while.  May it rest in peace...lasted 6 years without a bit of hardware problems.  Now running Windows XP, and still getting used to that.  Anyway, the Native is a really nice little knife.  Not only does the s-30V hold a sharp edge for a good while, the egronomics of the design make it really comfortable to use.  The spear point is what they call hollow ground, although it resembles a flat ground blade with an arch to me...hollow ground usually meaning a segment of a circle which this ain't.  Suits me.  The blade hole is large enough to allow me to open it one handed using gloves.  Closing it one hand requires some manual dexterity/practice.  I hold it and the back of the handle with my forefinger resting in the front of the handle fingergroove and snap it down, and then   finish closing with with my third finger.  Managed to bring the blade down  on my fingers(which cut) until I learned how to do that.  I used mine constantly in the kitchen.......nice little kitchen knife, at work and hunting(small game) and after about 9 days the blade was stilll sharp; not shaving sharp(hate that phrase), but still sharp. I finally spent about 3 hours at work using it to cut cardboard boxe, instead of using my box cutter, and that dulled it enough  so it needed re-sharpening.  That was back  around the beginning of December.  Its on it's second sharpening, I sharpened it as soon as I took it out of the box, and its still going strong but will need a touch up soon. Not the strongest design in the world since the only metal on the knife is the blade and backspring.  The handle is from what seems to be molded zytel with no metal liners, but hey, its a pocket knife not one of them indestructable tanks so beloved by the tactical set.  It is the most comfortable small handled knife I've carried, but it's still a trifle small for my hands to feel comfortable using it on a deer........although I'm sure it would do a good job. Its become my constant companion.  The one problem I found with it is that the clip isn't the tightest in the world.  I carry it in my front pocket, clipped to the inside.  Worked fine with the loose carpenters jeans I wore at work, or my loose hunting trousers(although I start carrying it inside the pocket of those).  When wearing a pair of regular jeans which were snug, but not overly so, I had the blade slip out and fall into the snow when I got out of my truck.  Luckily that happened in my driveway(if a sea of mud and snow is a driveway), and the tip of the handle was visible.  Same thing happened when I carried it in my back pocket.  Really can't see a way to tighten that clip much against the handle, so I've learned to be "conscious"of it when I'm getting in and out of the truck and wearing snug trousers.  Outside of that, I think it's a great little knife.  There.   Be interesting to see what James has to say.

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« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2005, 01:45:27 PM »
I have two more deer to get and look forward to trying it out then. Until then it will get a little kitchen use and opening packages and such. I am a Spyderco fan and have several that I use all the time. I abuse the heck out of the Delica serrated blade and have used it daily for many years. I recently picked up a plain edge in that kinfe as well. I have used the Pro-Grip for hunting and it has worked very well for me so far. My wife uses the little Jestor at work where she cuts a lot of nylon rope and opens hundreds of boxes with it. I touch it up for her once every couple weeks. She works in the parts department of a big Potato plant. I just added the new Catcherman fellet knife to my wish list. Its a new steel for that knife and is much much more flexable than my old one. So many good knives to try and life is so short :lol:
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« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2006, 12:41:49 PM »
Just to prove that I do actually test the knives I talk about, I took this picture today.  That was the start of a pot of stewed squirrel.  Ended up killing 6 total(plus the six I shot yesterday.......the rifle is a savage 24V in 22 Hornet/20guage by the way) and the Spyderco Native with it's S30V blade skinned them, no problem.





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« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2006, 07:39:05 AM »
You should e-mail them links to your good reviews.   Maybe they'll hook you up with a free knife or something :wink: .  You never know, companies always appreciate positive feedback :lol:

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« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2006, 09:21:26 AM »
Nahhhhhhhhhhhh.  Then I might turn into one of them knife/gun magazine whores who are always gushing about pure junk for bucks. :roll:

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« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2006, 08:38:53 PM »
Yeah, we wouldn't want that to happen  :grin:

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« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2006, 09:21:11 PM »
Hey guys, ive had a spyderco military in S30V for 2yrs now and have been completely happy with the toughness and wear retention of the steel, it has been the best knife ive owned yet, just my opinion. :grin:

p.s Has anyone tried their knives in H-1 "rust proof" steel?
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« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2006, 05:15:39 PM »
I've looked at a couple of the usual knife forums, and while folks are ordring the Salt series knives, haven't seen any testing on them.  One curious thing I learned about that nitrogen(rather than carbon)based, work hardening(rather than heat treated) steel, is that the partially serrated one is harder than the plain blade...Crucible did the testing.  Seems that adding the serrations work hardens the blade a bit more, making for a harder edge.  Target Rc is 57.  Be nice if someone did a test, rather than reading the usual(suspect)evaluations the Magazines do.

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« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2006, 05:12:11 PM »
I have a Spyderco Pacific Salt with the H1 steel that I purchased last year. I used it to cut up my egg sacks while I was salmon fishing for silvers and even used it to cut up some sticks to make rod holders. Mine has the plain edge and it seemed to hold an edge fairly well. I always washed it in the creek I was fishing in and never dried it, I just put it in my fishing vest and let it drip dry. It never did rust on me and it is easy to sharpen. I went with the yellow handle instead of the black because I can see yellow better if I happen to drop the knife on the ground or in the water. Overall I love this knife and will be using it even more this year when salmon season begins. I hope this helps a little.
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« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2006, 11:33:49 PM »
I used the Spiderc native to skin and field dress two mule deer last week. It was no teat for the knife as I couldn't even tell it had been used. I like the S30V. Big time.
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