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Questions on refinishing CZ stock?
« on: October 04, 2005, 02:09:28 PM »
I'm looking at this 452 American that has beautiful wood on it, almost looks like marble. The problem is that it's the last one they have in stock and is the rack rifle so it has some scratches and dents. I'm thinking about buying it and would refinishing the stock. I have never refinished any rifle stock before so looking for ideas on what stain or oil to use. I have read alot of people that have used true-oil but is that all they use or should I satin it first and then use the oil? I am after a deep mirror like finish with a lot of shine to it. I know about using a wet cloth and iron to pull the scratch and dents out and sanding with 0000 steel wool. Looking for some advice on what products to strip the exisisting finish off with and what stain or oil to use. If anyone has any pictures, I would sure like to see them.

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« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2005, 09:36:00 PM »
Hi There,

      Well personally I would forget about the wire wool, it can leave  tiny bits of steel behind which then can leave rust marks. I use Auto Body "Wet 'n'Dry" paper of 400 & 600 grit and have also found the "Scotchbrite" sheets to be very useful :wink: The main bits of the stock are the easy part, it's the deatail bits around the edges of the loading port, bolt handle cutout and the top of the inletting which is the most difficult to get clean and smooth. You will also need a tool to clean out the chequering and sharpen it up. Now I use an engineers Rifling file which is triangular in section and is curved, another option is a Trangular swiss file.

    Once you wash the stock down to neutralise the chemical stripper which I am assuming you will be useing to remove the factory finish, the grain will be raised slightly, more so after you have steamed those small dents and marks out. Beofre you go to it with the abrasive medium that you have chosen, get an old tooth brush or a piece of wooden dowel about 3/8" Dia and  " Bone the grain"  this is where you rub hard with the grain and it will lay a lot of the raised fibres back down, this with slightly polish the surface which will help you achieve a nice smooth finish.

     For bringing out the natural beauty of the wood, I never use stains, I use Red Oil which is "Alkanet Root oil" this is applied in a thin coat, very thin as if it was Boiled Linseed oil and rubbed in by hand then left to dry. The Red Oil brings out the figure of the wood and very slightly darkens the wood, you can apply more coats until the wood is the shade you want, however it will not darken the wood that much. The chosen stock finish is then applied over this once it's totally dry. I would allow a couple of days before applying the finish. I use linseed based finishes of just BLO, I hear than Tung oil is very popular in the US.

    Re-finishing a stock like this takes several days and can take a couple of weeks however it does look really good afterwards and should it get scratched then all it takes is an application of the oil finish over the scratch to cover it up again. Gouges will of course still show :roll:  but they will be sealed.

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« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2005, 04:59:14 AM »
Thanks!  :toast:
That is a very good write up and is very easy to follow. I have heard of some guys masking off the checkering and just working around it. I wonder what it would look like if I were to do this. Thanks for the tip on the steel wool, it makes perfect sense. Can you give me a little more info on "boning the stock"? I'm a bit confused on that part. I have thought about getting the stock the color I want and the spraying it with utomotive clear coat to really bring out the depth and shine. I have seen many done this way and they look awesome.
Thanks for your reply Brithunter, it's much appreciated.

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« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2005, 05:48:14 AM »
Hi There,

     The term "Boning" is from the dim past when Beef Rib bones were boiled clean and used in Leather and wood work for polishing and shaping. I used the wood handle of a Cheap Suds Brush ( small paint type brush with round handle used in machine shops to apply soluble coolant whislt cuting/driling metal). I simply rubbed the handle over the steamed stock applying downward pressure as I did so this pushes the wood firbes down and presses them back inot place. The action also smooths the wood and gives it a slightly polished sheen. perfect for applying the oil finish.

     I understand than bored GI's were known to do this to their rifles stock to make it feel better and look beter for inspection  :wink:  

     Personally I would not use a varnish finish as they feel slippery to me when damp or wet. An oil finish is however tactile and provides grip. Cleaning out the chequering takes time and is slow careful work but it does so much improve the appearence and it makes sure that the varnish is all out of the chequering and helps it match the rest of the finish colour. I find it certainly repays the time spent. Now I find I nearly always freshen up the chequering on old rifles I get, after 40-100 years it's filled with dirt and looks worn and tired, a re-fresh makes it not only look better but it feels so much better, most of these old rifles I get have oiled finishes so with a fresh very sparce coat it really brings the wood back to life. Oiled finishes should have a very small drop of BLO or something similar applied once every couple of years, or after getting wet like on a rainy day, to maintain the finish and keep the wood from drying out too much just like fine funiture.

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« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2005, 01:36:31 PM »
CZ-Man- If you look carefully under the finish on your CZ you very well might see a darn good chunk of wood, or, it may be a fencepost. Either way, to me, refinishing enhances the rifle. I refinished the stock of my CZ 550 American. Let me start by saying you need a boatload of patience. I first removed the barreled action and slink bolts from the rifle, then the buttpad. I had refinished a Ruger Mark II in 7x57mm, and I used GBLindspeed Oil to do it. I naturally gravitated to the GB for this project. J Belk, a gunsmith I know, called the CZ finish elephant snot and he wasn't too far off. That stuff is a booger to get off. I used many applications of citri-strip. I ended up using one of those scotchbrite pads to help the process along. It took many, many applications to get the stock naked. To my surprise, what I thought was a little figure under the finish turned out to be a whole lot of figure, and a pretty figure at that. For the checkering, I used a liberal amount of citri-strip worked into all nooks and crannies by a stiff toothbrush. Make sure you clean the brush off because it will be used later. After the stock was completely dry I used a can of lighter fluid and completely wet the stock down, from one end to the other, including the checkering. I let that process dry as well. Next was the finish. The stock required no sanding as it was ready to go after the lighter fluid. I did not use a stain because none was called for and none was needed. I also did not use any filler, because the stock didn't need any. The way I read the directions, I applied a sparing amount of oil on the stock and applied it with my index and middle finger as a spreader. I was very careful to not get the finish into the checkering. When the stock was covered with a light coat and the finish was sinking into the wood, I put it up and let the finish dry completely (about two days). I got the stock out and repeated the process, except on top of the first coat and again, made sure not one drop got into the checkering. If any finish does get into the checkering, use the toothbrush to get it out. Once again, I put the stock up and let it dry. Next, I took 0000 steel wool and steel wooled the finish off right down to bare wood. The two applications and taking back to bare wood with the steel wood represents one repetition. After the first repetition, I repeated the repetitions 12 more times. In all, 24 coats of finish. Each time, the finish soaked into the wood a little more and more, so the finish was in the wood, not on it. On repetition 13, there is a difference. I took an old wooden gun case I have, cleaned all of the guns out of it, and washed the inside out completely with pine sol so there was no dust at all in there .... anywhere. Next, I used canned air to blow the inside of the guncase out just to make doubly sure there was no dust present. I next got out a roll of wide masking tape, the kind that is about two inches wide. On the 23rd coat, just two dabs of my finger in the jar of oil was enough to cover all the stock, but not the checkering! With the stock covered with the oil, I gently walked to the guncase about two steps away and placed the stock inside, so no oiled part was touching any edge of the case. I then used the tape to tape up all seams of the door so the inside of the guncase was like a dust-free chamber. I let the oil dry and then applied one last coat, which was only one finger dab-full into the bottle. The very last step was to put my left hand into the action and magazine area of the stock so I could hold it up okay, and then dabbed my index finger into the oil and put the light dab on the right side foreend checkering. The next step was to use the toothbrush to even spread the oil completely through the checkering. The same process was done to all the rest of the checkering panels. With that done, the stock went back into the guncase kept at room temperature. I gently closed the door so as not to stir up any dust and again taped the door seams completely. I let that last coat dry (about two days). This finish gives you a shiny finish, which I like. It makes you feel like you can look down deep into the wood when looking at the rifle. The finish was put on a couple of years ago and has held up well. My rifle is a functional rifle, not a looking rifle. I finished it off by having a gunsmith jewell the bolt in a small herringbone pattern and polish the bolt handle to the bright nickle that is under the black finish on the bolt handles. I hope all that helps you. Like I said, it is a long, drawn-out process, but in my humble opinion, well worth the effort.

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« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2005, 04:51:23 PM »
7x57mm,

Thanks! that is a really detailed write up of the process you went through. That should just about paint a perfect picture on a total stock refinish. I have been considering doing this to the new CZ that I just purchased but would have to do it to the one I am looking at (scratches, dings). I don't know if you have checked out the picture thread and seen the wood that my rifle has but it is absolutely beautiful walnut. I could only imagine what this wood would look like if I were to refinish it. Lucky for me I live about 30 minutes away from a guy that can take a rifle stock and make it look like a piece of art. I am having a hard time trying to decide if I want to take the chance of ruining this awesome piece of wood by doing it myself or taking it to him and letting him work his magic. It's a hard decision but what ever I decided - I will post pictures of it when I'm done.

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« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2005, 04:58:29 PM »
Brithunter,

Thanks for helping me understand boning :-)
You guys have really helped me to understand the refinishing process and I appreciate it.  :D

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« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2005, 10:04:00 AM »
Gentleman,

I have 3 CZ 550. One of them 416 Rigby with Humpback stock. When I saw each one of these rifles first time I was quite depressed. Stock looked like gray featureless wood. I had in my garage #7 polishing compound the same that is used to polish weathered paint on old cars. With that and a lot of elbow grease I just polished that stock and could not believe my eyes how beautiful wood was hiding under that gray finish. I even took off hump off my 416 Rigby.  Simply shawed it off straight and touched up with varnish plus polished with #7 rubbing compound. You can't see there was anthing done to that area of the stock. That stock now looks much, much better than American safari stock. That schnabel forend looks much better than forend on American safari stock. Just my 3 cents.

Lilgun.