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Offline dakotashooter2

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« on: October 01, 2005, 05:41:07 PM »
about Taurus guns that is. My second Taurus (Tracker) with less that 500 rounds through it is having it's second problem (still won't fire DA every time) Has decided the cylinder shouldn't lock up any more. Appears that the latching (center) pin is sticking. Not sure if it is just dirty or bent. Pops in and out fine till closing the cylinder pushes it in that last .0001 of an inch then it sticks. Don't know why it would be bent as loads have been mild and gun has not been mistreated (don't flip it open and shut like in the movies). Trying to figure out how to further disassemble to clean or repair. And I was just getting it to shoot well!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2005, 08:55:04 PM »
Don't feel bad, I ponied up for a $1150 SA revolver from USFMC and had to send it back for repair.  It happens.
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« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2005, 01:23:57 AM »
That's too bad, i've had nothing but good luck with my Taurus firearms though my latest gun is over 6 years old, not of current manufacture, amybe that's why.
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« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2005, 04:07:09 AM »
not to blow sunshine, but.....

when i first started visiting g.b.o.,  graybeard had some opinions on certain stuff.  some i agreed,  some i had no idea, and on one or two things,  i disagreed.    since then,  i  have learned that he has very good reasons for the way he feels on a given subject, and he will most times share it with you.    he has saved me from misfortune a few times.  if i would have listened to him more, i would have saved myself a few more bad experiences.    

  not just graybeard, but add all the experience of the folks that frequent here and are willing to share it with a fellow, and there is a vast supply of knowlege, experience, and wisdom availible for everyone.  with a high set of morals added in (you dont have to worry about what you or your kids might see here),  it just gets better.   i cant count the times folks here have helped me out with a problem.    and i have had the opportunity to help a few folks out in return.  

anyone who doesnt heed the advice,  sooner or later will come to see their folly.     :wink:

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« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2005, 05:59:24 PM »
I have 5 Tauruses, three revolvers (22, 44 Spl and 45 acp) and two semi (both 9mm). Have had no problems. I think the problem children get the notice and words, and for the most part the ones that just work and work are taken for granted. Wonder what the ratio of problem firearms are to ones that have no problems.  (I'm already watching for my Taurus PT1911.)

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« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2005, 01:43:28 PM »
I have a Taurus PT92 that I bought new in 1990. I have fired every type of 9mm ammo you can think of through it without so much as a hiccup. It has performed flawlessly since day one. A good friend of mine bought a 6" 669VR 357 at the same time with the same results as me. Plus that has got to be one of the most accurate 357s I have ever seen. I think the old Taurus gun are like a Timex watch. I don't hear the same things about the new ones though.
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« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2006, 12:59:00 PM »
Quote from: Tn Jim
I have a Taurus PT92 that I bought new in 1990. I have fired every type of 9mm ammo you can think of through it without so much as a hiccup. It has performed flawlessly since day one. A good friend of mine bought a 6" 669VR 357 at the same time with the same results as me. Plus that has got to be one of the most accurate 357s I have ever seen. I think the old Taurus gun are like a Timex watch. I don't hear the same things about the new ones though.


I bought a brand new PT92 a few months back, fired about 700 rounds out of it, and I never had a problem at all. I love it.

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« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2006, 01:53:02 PM »
:D I just purchased a brand new Taurus PT 92 AR. I picked it up this past Saturday. I haven't had a chance to fire it yet but I can't wait to. I have 1 other Taurus handgun it's an M-44 mag 8 3/8" SS. This revolver has been great, several hundreds of rounds (full magnum loads to) without any problems at all. Accuracy is amazing, way more accurate than I could ever shoot it. I have shot Smith, Colt and Ruger 44 mags but I couldn't shoot any of those nearly as well as I shoot my Taurus.
I'm not taking Mr. Graybeard's advice for granted, I know he has A LOT of weapons and A LOT of knowledge. I guess only time will tell how my PT 92 will hold up. I'll keep you all informed good or bad.
My M-44 is about 7 years old so I'll have a chance to compare it's quality to more recent times. Here they are if anyone cares to have a look see.
http://www.graybeardoutdoors.com/phpbb2/album_pic.php?pic_id=1200

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« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2006, 03:37:30 AM »
Over the last ten years, I have purchased eight new Taurus handguns and have put hundreds of rounds through each.
Three Pistols: A PT92 which I loved but sold in a weak moment to a friend who begged me for a year to sell it to him.  A PT 22 which functioned fine but was not very accurate (in my hands) so I traded it.  A PT745 which is a great pistol I plan on keeping.
Five Revolvers: A 22LR Tracker which was a fine gun but a little heavy so I traded it for a Model 94 which is definately a keeper.  A Model 66 and RB454 which are great shooters.  And last but not least a 357 Tracker.  After about 1000 rounds, this revolver developed a minor problem (which I have since learned how to prevent).  My gunshop (Scheels) paid to send it to Taurus.  They repaired it and sent it back free of charge in just two weeks.  Overall, I am very pleased with Tuarus products and service.  I know anyone can put out a lemon and not everone's service experience matches mine.  But I have had issues with my Browning and Remingtons that took far longer than two weeks to resolve.

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« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2006, 03:50:37 AM »
My Model 65 in .357 Mag has NEVER had a problem. And it's, like, 15 years old or something. Maybe 10....?

Had THOUSANDS of rounds through that sucker and never a hiccup.
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« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2006, 04:43:08 AM »
In my above post, I forgot to mention my wife's Taurus revolver.  I few months ago, she bought a new Model 85SSUL 2" with CT Laser grips for a great price at our local Gander Mountain Store.  The gun now has had over 500 rounds through it with absolutely NO problems.  It is amazingly accurate.  It is now my wife's nightstand weapon.  I almost pitty the bad guy who tries breaking into that bedroom.  Does my wife like her Taurus?  Let me put it this way - If they ever try to take away our guns, it will probably be this Taurus that they pry from "her cold dead fingers."

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« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2006, 05:12:04 PM »
I have a 605- 2 inch and the first time out with it I decided it will not be kept for cc. When droping the spent rounds you can only drope 4 and then have to turn the cylender a little to drope the last round. This is an extra step I would not want to put up with if in a bad situtatoin.
 I do not have meny rounds through it but other wise it seems to be ok.
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« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2006, 02:18:01 PM »
I do not own a Taurus (yet), but for those having problems, doesn't Taurus have a lifetime Guarantee on their guns?  I have only heard good things about their service department.

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« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2006, 05:34:34 PM »
He's not right about my Taurus RB .454 Casull since it happens to be an outstanding pistol and the accuracy is pretty good as well. My cousin (he bought the exact same model as me) and my friend have had zero problems with their pistols, though, that ain't saying there is some lemons out there.

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« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2006, 05:42:27 PM »
If you've only heard good things regarding their service you need to search for and read my threads on my dealings with them. The only thing worse than their quality is their service.


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« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2006, 07:17:40 AM »
Graybeard IS RIGHT.I sent mine back and they had it for about 4 months they fixed the problem but it was shaving bullets when I got it back.And it was loose in the cylinder.If it had been Ruger or Smith they would have gone over the gun better and got it back sooner.They must be real busy fixing returns to take 4 months to fix mine and they even fired it and still sent it back to me in that condition.No way will Taurus get anymore of my money. :x
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« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2006, 07:41:45 AM »
:D One other thing I forgot to mention it also would jump a chamber some of the time. :oops:
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« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2006, 12:54:16 PM »
yes he is.  now for many here, you may not have had a bad experience but that is just because no gun manufacturer, except S&W with their glock copy, i believe the sigma has made a gun that sucks 100% of the time.  i have had 2 raging bulls, my cousin has had one.  i LOVE those guns.  absolutely the most shootable platform for the 454 i've found.  that said, i just had to go to freedom arms b/c the dang things continued to break on me.  the pawl and the like are way way to small for a gun in that caliber, plus the gun locks up tight upon pulling the trigger in which the little arm tightening the cylinder by pressing on the pawl is under pressure everytime the gun fires.  it will inevitably loosen and have cylinder rotating and timing problems eventually.  this could be fixed in short order if they cared.  they don't, they also didn't care to get my revolvers back to me any sooner than the quickest turn around time and that was 6 weeks, and like i said, that was the quickest.  imho, taurus is riding the fact that most don't shoot the 454 as much as they think they do and therefore it won't break.  wrong, my first was an absolute lemon, timing problems forced the gun back in the first 400 rounds, my shorter, 6.5" barrelled one kept on kicking and that one wasn't a lemon, however, about the time the first one i bought needed to be sent back a 2nd time and it honestly took almost 3 months to get it back i got rid of it.  i still thought my 6.5" barrelled bull was gonna make it and chalked the first up to just being a lemon.  wrong, once the probs on that one started it was non stop, after having the gun gone for months at a time only to break again after having a couple more hundred rounds run through, i'd had enough and ponied up the cash for a FA.  money well spent, more accurate and with a shooting glove i can shoot it all day.  I WISH the taurus was good as i loved the gun, but it will break and the bulls don't have half the probs the titanium revolvers do, that's toooooo long a topic.  now i mentioned this on this forum a few years ago and was dismissed as a nut, but one by one, others began to have the same problems.  heck, go to the cast performance LBT bullet website and you'll see a hunt under the gallery or hunt section and some guy took a cape buffalo and a zebra with his RB, but not before it developed problems he had to semi-fix right before his trip.  btw, the same problems i'm talking about on my guns.  the design is faulty, and easily remedied if taurus gave 2 cents.

on a side note, we had a taurus rep at our local range during an idpa shoot about 3 or 4 years ago.  i told him about my problems with the RB and he rather than listen and say he'd pass it on to the company decided to give me a little ribbing in front of many of the shooters there.  unfortunately, on the range as he was doing so, his demo RB in 454 proceeded to have the same problems and needed fixing.  never seen a factory rep so red.


rugers aren't the best, but they take care of you and don't outright break.  good customer service.
FA have great cust. service and they just don't break, but don't worry, if it does, they've got your back.
BFR's are good guns as well and jim has got them on the right track.  the last 2 years or so and they've been really really good.  somewhere b/w the ruger and FA.
or just get a reeder.  good gun, good service.

just don't intend on that taurus RB being there in the next 10 years.  won't happen.
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« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2006, 01:00:43 PM »
i also forgot, that there was a gunstore in alaska the last time i was there, that had a ton of the various big bore pistols, and some of the customs as well.  i noticed there wasn't a raging bull in the house, however, the owner told me that the reason for that was they had carried them a couple years earlier, and they hadn't had ONE they didn't have to send back at least once.  search my posts from a few years ago, this is the second dealer in alaska that told me that in addition to the one i called for a FA when i made the switch.  sorry, but that gun does have some problems.  graybeard, i agree on taurus in general with you, i however, respectfully disagree that the RB is one gun done right, perhaps yours and some others are, but entirely toooooo many horror stories out there for it to not be a design flaw.  of course, i've already known exactly what that flaw is and taurus laughed about it.
a gun owner that votes dem is an oxymoron with the emphasis on moron.

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« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2006, 01:02:41 PM »
i also forgot, that there was a gunstore in alaska the last time i was there, that had a ton of the various big bore pistols, and some of the customs as well.  i noticed there wasn't a raging bull in the house, however, the owner told me that the reason for that was they had carried them a couple years earlier, and they hadn't had ONE they didn't have to send back at least once.  search my posts from a few years ago, this is the second dealer in alaska that told me that in addition to the one i called for a FA when i made the switch.  sorry, but that gun does have some problems.  graybeard, i agree on taurus in general with you, i however, respectfully disagree that the RB is one gun done right, perhaps yours and some others are, but entirely toooooo many horror stories out there for it to not be a design flaw.  of course, i've already known exactly what that flaw is and taurus laughed about it.
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« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2006, 11:23:16 AM »
I have a Gaucho that I can't make group with factory or handloads.  They did fix the failure to fire.
I don't have this problem with my Rugers.
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How much longer are they going to stay in business?
« Reply #21 on: May 13, 2006, 10:39:54 AM »
I noticed at the last big gunshow in February, that some of the dealers were discounting their Taurus guns.  I traded my 3 Taurus revolvers and my Taurus Model 92 semi-auto in 9 X 19 off years ago.  2 of the 3 revolvers were out of time, the steel on the Model 85 in stainless was soft, yet they did shoot well.  

The semi-auto had a heavy trigger and the aluminum frame seemed soft, the impact marks from the slide seemed more pronounced than they should have been with only 800 rounds through the gun.  All 4 of my Taurus guns were made around 1997-1998, I guess the quality was better at that time, still, soft steel and timing problems!

Why is Taurus still in business?  It seems like the gun buyers are kicking a dead horse in regards to that outfit.  How much longer are they going to do their bad quality story?  Is the USA their only market area?

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« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2006, 04:03:47 PM »
I have had about twenty Taurus revolvers and auto's. Can't say what their service is like because I have never had a problem that needed attention.
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« Reply #23 on: June 12, 2006, 01:51:34 PM »
I think one reason taurus is in business is because of their ribber grips. I think these are the absolute most comfortable grips in the business. I was tempted to buy a taurus tracker , but due to the reviews, I will refrain .

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« Reply #24 on: June 12, 2006, 02:23:03 PM »
For many years I stayed away from even owning a Taurus, and now I own 2 of them.  A Tracker 455 TI in .45 ACP and the 605 2" SS 38/357 and have no problems at all with them.
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« Reply #25 on: June 19, 2006, 12:27:42 PM »
I just experienced their customer service for the first time (transfer bar problem on a Gaucho) - The shop where I bought it sent it to them on 5/31/06 and it came back fixed on 6/17/06.  This was a pleasant surprise as I was told (by Taurus) to expect 4-6 weeks.  Just thought I'd share my positive experience    :D