Are CZs as good a buy as Remington?

[cal sibley]

This is not meant as a topic to inflame passions but in recent years I've become quite disenchanted with Remington after a number of years being a faithful fan.  I have 11 Remingtons in my gun cabinet, but have finally said, no more.  I'm tired of spending an extra $250. on every rifle for glass bedding, barrel floating and trigger adjustments to make them shoot as well as my 1980 Remingtons.  My last one, a 700BDL in .25-06 after the above mentioned treatment still will not group better than 1 1/2" groups (5 shots). If I send the rifle back to Remington they will tell me that's acceptable accuracy, but I don't buy it.  I've heard a lot of people say CZs are quite accurate.  What is the general feeling here?  Best wishes.

Cal - Montreal

[NONYA]

Sad but true,thier 1187's and 870's are still great shotguns for thier price,thier new budget rifles are absolute POS,my 7mag came from thier custom shop a few years back and it is everything you should expect from Rem but i wouldnt buy any new rifle off the rack,if your gonna buy a new Rem rifle do yourself a favor and order it from the custom shop.

[Simple Man]

I think you will hear good and bad about both firearms. As with anything, opinions will vary. With that said, I think if you were to give CZ a chance, you wouldn't be disappointed.  That is my  :money:

[R.W.Dale]

My little 527 7.62x39 carbine is throwing little 0.70 groups at 100yds with handloads. The only thing I've done is to add a small shim under the recoil lug to give the barrel a free float. I don't see why you'd ever have a trigger job done on a CZ after all it is a set trigger.

 I can't comment on remchesters don't own one but for what you'ed pay for a 527 or 550 CZ with nice bluing and wood you could almost but a remchester with a cruddy plastic stock and a paukerized finish,, BLAH YUCK!! No thanks.

[Simple Man]

The 452 does not have a set trigger - adjustable but that is all.

[muzzleblast525]

What is the web site for this company?

[R.W.Dale]

http://cz-usa.com/

[muzzleblast525]

Thanks

[jerkface11]

The 452 does not have a set trigger - adjustable but that is all.

 NEWS RELEASE

Contact: Jason Morton
CZ-USA
(913) 321-1811
Fax: (913) 321-2251
jason@cz-usa.com
For Immediate Release

CZ 453 American and Varmint

Kansas City, KS - 29 August, 2005

CZ-USA is pleased to introduce the CZ 453 bolt-action rimfire series now
available in both the varmint and American models. The 453 takes the time
tested platform of the CZ 452 and adds a fully adjustable, single set
trigger system mechanically identical to that featured on the CZ 527 and CZ
550 centerfire rifles.

In addition to the single set trigger, the new CZ 453 retains all of the
quality and accuracy of the 452. The CZ bolt-action rimfire rifles are
manufactured from steel billets, not tubing or plastic. The barrels are
hammer forged for accuracy and long life. The safety is located above the
rear of the bolt and provides a positive firing pin block.

More on the single-set trigger:
The single-set trigger provides both a standard hunting and a light, target
style trigger pull on the same rifle depending on the demands of the
situation. By operating the rifle in the same manner as any other
bolt-action rifle, the rifle functions with a normal hunting rifle trigger
pull (adjustable down to 2 lbs). If you are shooting from the bench, or
have time to set up for the shot, push the trigger forward until you feel
and hear a click. Now your normal hunting rifle has a target trigger pull
(adjustable to less than ½ lb).

The CZ 453 American comes with a 5 round detachable magazine. Single shot
adapters and 10 rd magazines are also available and are interchangeable with
452 models of the same caliber.

CZ 453 American: Barrel Length: 22.5”; Weight: 6.17 lbs; LOP: 13.75”

Now you all have to go out and buy new ones  

[herbie1]

hey i know all of you are talking cz rifles but what about there superb hanguns i've got an 85 combat that i wouldn't trade for anything.

[Brithunter]

Hi All,

     Well the pistols certainly DO deserve mention. The CZ75 is an all time classic  :grin:  the Tanfoglio line was based of this which I believe may have been sold as the "Witness" in the USA. I had a Tanfoglio Ultra model, this was endorsed by the ISPC and was chambered in .41AE with a ported barrel/slide LPA adjustable rearsight and ready to hit the practical pistol competition trail. Mine was serial N0 0941  I seem to recall, after many thousands of rounds te safety developed some movement and the pistol was sent to a Tanfodglio agent who serviced it and repaired the small amount of wear which had caused the problem.

    At the same time they worked over the trigger mech and gave me a match trigger, I had not asked for this and when I commented on it. They said well whilst we had the safety and trigger apart we thought we might as well do the full job. I thought the bill would be high but it looks liek they did the trigger job for free and I didn't buy the pistol from them either. I would have taken it back to where I had brought it but had moved since then and this place was nearer.

    Sadly I lost the pistol when they banned Handguns  :x

[hunt127588]

I have a couple Remington 700s and a CZ452 and a CZ550 (both Americans). I bought the CZ452 .22lr as it offered more than any other .22 but for less money. This caused me to buy a CZ550 .243 a few months later.

The CZ452 was a great shooter out of the box but the CZ550 was horrendous out of the box due to the stock touching the barrel and not properly floated. I had the usual bedding and trigger job performed on the CZ and man what a difference. It is one of my favorite shooters now.

My Remingtons have always felt better to me in terms of fit but I don't like what Remington is doing these days to cut costs....Aluminum trigger guards, etc. The CZ is all steel, has a set trigger on the centerfires (and 453 rimfire), great fit and finish (other than bedding), comes with beefy rings and is approx. $150 cheaper than a comparable Remington.

Bottom line, both are decent rifles. If you like to customize and replace OEM with add-ons, go Remington. If you like a lot of frills for less money and a sturdy built firearm, go CZ.

[Simple Man]

Jerkface11,

Yeah they are out. I have talked to a couple of guys that have gotten one and they say the trigger is exactly like the 527's. Seems the going price has been around $450. This place has got some good prices but I don't know what the wait time is. I would imagine they will be hard to get for a while as I'm sure there are a lot of people standing in line to get one.

http://www.thegunsource.com/shopping_viewproduct.aspx?idproduct=48488

[Brithunter]

Hi All,

     Hmm the free floating buggahoo :roll:  well my ZKK 601 is not flaoted and has the std factory bedding although as I said I have never actually measured groups :roll:  and have not shot it in a while as I have been playing and hunting with other rifles and calibres.

     To me free floating is a cheap short cut to avoid proper wood seasoning (in wood stocks) and to cut time and labour costs. I have also noticed I am seeing complaints about the new CZ's and their assembly and as I understand it these new "CZ's" are actually assembled in the US. I have never heard of the problem on the Czech made rifles.

   The majority of my rifles are over 20 years old, it has been only on two newer rifles that I had noticed bedding and fitting problems. Even the ZKK 601 was made in 1994, it's noticable that the older rifles have well season wood (probably not Kiln Dried) and are bedded properly, no gaps just a very nice inletting job :-)