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Offline jvs

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« on: September 10, 2005, 09:30:29 AM »
Looks like if you have a tendency to let your Gun Collection get 'out of hand" the Feds might want more of your money, as written in Brady Bill II.  Has this section been repealed?

SEC. 204. FEDERAL ARSENAL LICENSE.

(a) Offense.--Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, as amended by  section 203(a), is amended by adding at the end the following new subsection:

"(x) It shall be unlawful for a person to possess more than 20 firearms or more than 1,000 rounds of ammunition unless the person--

"(1) is a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer; or

"(2) has been issued an arsenal license pursuant to section 923(m).".


(b) Arsenal License.--Section 923 of title 18, United States Code, aa   amended by section 203(b), is amended by adding at the end the following new subsection:

"(m)(1) The Secretary shall issue an arsenal license if--

"(A) the applicant has--

"(i) filed a sworn application with the Secretary, stating--

"(I) the applicant's name, address, and date of birth;

"(II) that the applicant is at least 21 years of age; and

"(III) that the applicant is not prohibited from possessing or receiving a firearm under Federal, State, or local law;

"(ii) filed with the Secretary a certificate, dated within the previous 60 days, from the chief law enforcement officer of the applicant's State of residence, stating that the applicant has not exhibited such a propensity for violence, instability, or disregard of the law as may render the applicant's possession of an arsenal a danger to the community; and

"(iii) paid an arsenal license fee of $300 for a 3-year license period; and

"(B) the Secretary has determined that the information in the application is accurate, based in part upon name- and fingerprint-based research in all available Federal, State, and local recordkeeping systems.

"(2) The holder of an arsenal license shall be subject to all obligations and requirements pertaining to licensed dealers under this chapter.".

(c) Penalty.--Section 924(a)(5) of title 18, United States Code, as amended by section 203(c), is amended by striking "or (w)" and inserting "(w), or (x)".

(d) Effective Date.--The amendments made by section shall become effective on the date that is 180 days after the date of enactment of this Act.
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« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2005, 10:37:58 AM »
I guess they would have to come and see.   :-D
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« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2005, 11:15:36 AM »
I am curious , hear in NY when you piurchase a rifle or shotgun they have you fill out a yellow form with your name address ask you a few yes or no questions and if the purchase is for yourself. Is this yellow form used in all USA or does it go state to state?
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« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2005, 03:21:19 PM »
Quote from: Redhawk1
I guess they would have to come and see.   :-D


It's another reason to get an FFL and keep it active.  Saves money too.   :-D   Lawdog
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« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2005, 05:36:54 PM »
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I guess they would have to come and see.   :-D


It's another reason to get an FFL and keep it active.  Saves money too.   :-D   Lawdog
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Lawdog, I guess I will have to get my FFL paper work started.


tanoose, The yellow sheet you fill out is used in all States.
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« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2005, 09:56:21 PM »
What provisions are in the FFL that allows more than 1,000 rounds of ammo?  If it doesn't, you may still need an Arsenal License under the law.  

Before, what you own may have been considered a collection and enough ammo to legally use what you have......now, you have that ugly word Arsenal.  Kind of makes you wonder why anybody would want or need an Arsenal.

This subsection needs to be tossed out as being too broad.  If I have 2 Bricks of .22's and a box of rifle ammo or a box of roundballs for my M/L in my house at one time I am in violation of this subsection if I do not have an Arsenal License, which is ridiculous.   Just another instance of the incremental taking of freedom and to do as you please in your own abode.
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« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2005, 02:46:32 AM »
i dont like conspiracy theories but it sounds to me like theyre preparing to KEEP us from being able to defend ourselves. GB said this before that the government has been setting up a loss of rights for us for a long time.

suddenly outlawing "arsenals" would indeed go along with that.

-Matt
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« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2005, 09:37:08 AM »
I guess I have several of them.  :-D
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« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2005, 09:49:02 AM »
:roll: I fefuse to answer that question on the grounds............(you know the rest).  Sometime is pays to advertise, other times it doesn't, I think this may be one of those times. 8)
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« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2005, 12:16:31 PM »
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:roll: I fefuse to answer that question on the grounds............(you know the rest).  Sometime is pays to advertise, other times it doesn't, I think this may be one of those times. 8)


 :shock: I'll second that. This post is some scary info. It makes me want to do an inventory but I think I'll just leave the safe locked up for now :? .


Maybe Zachary could give us a little legal advice on this issue :grin: . Then again maybe he's laying low and staying out of this one.
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« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2005, 03:12:22 PM »
I would think this would be something the NRA could/should specifically target for repeal.  Perhaps they will read about it on Graybeard and begin to work on it if necessary.  Otherwise, we may need to ask for an organized approach to determine if this is still on the books and work toward repeal.

Can anyone verify it is still in the requirements?

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« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2005, 12:42:08 AM »
If I read this right, more than 2 500 packs of 22lr would qualify as an Arsenal?  That is scary........
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« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2005, 01:25:45 AM »
Greetings!

From my research and memory, this proposed legislation was part of "Brady II" - a pair of bills (HR. 3932 and S. 1882) that were being pushed by HCI in 1994.  These bills would have done more than create just a "Arsenal" license... included were things like fingerprinting all handgun owners, and requiring the states to implement mandatory handgun registration and waive 4th amendment rights for registered firearms owners for the purpose of "verification" by state law enforcement officers.  Also, from my memory, any individual living in a county with population of over 200,000 would not be allowed to obtain an "arsenal license".

Luckily, these bills were NOT enacted into law... although I wouldn't put it past the anti-gun movement to resurrect this bloated zombie corpse sometime in the future...

Best wishes,
Bawko

Edit:  I just finished searching current USC Title 18 Section 922, and found nothing at all about "arsenals" or "arsenal licenses".  You can search for yourself here:

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sup_01_18_10_I_20_44.html

Section 922 can be browsed by clicking the 2nd link down.  As far as I know, this is the most recent and accurately published U.S. Code currently available on the internet.
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« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2005, 01:59:41 AM »
The Atomic Chicken is correct, this was not passed. Primers were also considered as cartridges so if you bought a brick of primers you were already at 1000 rounds without having a single shootable cartridge. They were greedy and sick with power after the passage of the Brady Bill and thought they could get anything passed. After the fallout from the passage of the Brady Bill I don't believe this one was even brought up for a vote.
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