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DECALS snafu costing some hunters DMPs
« on: September 09, 2005, 06:12:37 AM »
This article is from the most recent issue of the NY Outdoor News:

http://nyoutdoornews.com/articles/2005/09/09//news/news2.txt

DECALS snafu costing some hunters DMPs

Thursday, September 8, 2005 8:50 AM CDT

By Brad Sisson Contributing Writer

Albany -- A flaw in the DEC Automated Licensing System (DECALS) is costing some hunters their chance at obtaining a second Deer Management Permit (DMP) for the upcoming season.

The problem stems from an oversight that lets hunters apply for DMPs in areas where they have no chance of getting the permit. Forty-three Wildlife Management Units (WMU) in seven of the nine DEC regions are classified as having no second DMPs available for the 2005 deer season.

John O'Pezio, the lead biologist for the Big Game Section of the DEC and the Division of Fish and Wildlife's representative on the DECALS team, admits "the constraint in the {DECALS} system is less than ideal, but one we hope to fix in the future."




He attributes the error to the DECALS allowing only one classification for a WMU. "The current system does not give us a second option to close a WMU to application for a DMP. Either it is open on both first and second permit selection, or it's closed altogether," said O'Pezio.

O'Pezio conceded that hunters from across the state have already been affected, and that more will be as license sales progress.

Niles Hickey of Caledonia, Livingston County, and a longtime hunter in WMU 9P, applied for his second DMP for that unit which, unknowingly to him, is one of the 43 that do not have second DMPs available for 2005. Hickey was subsequently turned down, and found out about the DECALS flaw just after application. He feels that the DEC is acting too slowly on a problem that should have been apparent from the beginning.

"The state shouldn't lead on hunters in this sort of fashion. We pay good money for our licenses, and it gives the sport a black eye to find out hunters threw away their tags (choices) after the fact," said Hickey.

In addition to the system error, Hickey believes the slow action by the state in addressing the problem is further evidence that the DEC is not handling the management of New York's deer herd efficiently.

"During the off-season, both hunters and the DEC agreed that DMP numbers needed to be reduced, yet we still see farms being handed nuisance or DMAP (Deer Management Assistant Program) permits with little scrutiny," said Hickey. "Add that in with the problem in DECALS, and you've got many concerned hunters who feel like they've been burned one too many times."

In light of the DECALS flaw, the DEC has sent out temporary corrective measures to outlets where licenses can be purchased. They believe this to be the best possible option available right now, according to O'Pezio.

"Agents and clerks in stores and the phone center have been sent notices that ask them to read the list of closed Wildlife Management Units in order to prevent a hunter from applying for areas that have a zero probability," O'Pezio said. "On top of that, we have been monitoring our online sales to alert hunters prior to application for DMPs."

Despite the best efforts of the DEC to limit hunters from losing their chance at a second Deer Management Permit, O'Pezio acknowledges implementation in the field is tough.

"Unfortunately, there will be hunters who apply through DECALS for zero probability units as their second DMP selection; the issue could affect a large number of our hunters for 2005," he said.

Currently, there is no information available that shows exactly how many hunters have applied for zero probability units in the past, or so far for this season's licenses. Hunters who do apply for DMPs in zero chance units are out of luck when it comes to re-applying for a different area. "Once a hunter makes their selections, they have no recourse from that point forward," O'Pezio said.

Even with the corrective actions, O'Pezio feels there is a certain level of responsibility which the hunter has to assume when applying for DMPs.

"The probabilities of Deer Management Permits vary from year to year, and even more so this season. We send out booklets that inform hunters of the odds for each unit before licenses go on sale, and they need to look at the chances for selection," he said.

When asked for a timeline on the correction of the problem, O'Pezio said "the development of DECALS has progressed a bit slower than we have liked, forcing us to put off some enhancements of the system to complete it. There is no question that the issue is high on our radar. I wish I could tell you it will be fixed by next year, but we really do not know at this point."
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« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2005, 05:24:06 AM »
Headlines should state:

"Would-be hunters have their heads up their butt, blow their chance at dmps..."
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« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2005, 10:11:36 AM »
Have to agee with raging 480.  Difficult to program a system when idiots apply for permits with no chance of being selected.

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« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2005, 07:37:00 AM »
Quote from: Raging480
Headlines should state:

"Would-be hunters have their heads up their butt, blow their chance at dmps..."


I agree...But let's put this in perspective...These knuckleheads are the same guys and gals we will be going out in to the woods with this year...Kinda scary isn't it?  :shock:   and now we are going to let more of them use rifles than before... :eek:
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« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2005, 01:34:11 PM »
Quote from: WNY_Whitetailer
Quote from: Raging480
Headlines should state:

"Would-be hunters have their heads up their butt, blow their chance at dmps..."


I agree...But let's put this in perspective...These knuckleheads are the same guys and gals we will be going out in to the woods with this year...Kinda scary isn't it?  :shock:   and now we are going to let more of them use rifles than before... :eek:

 :)  :)  :)
Kinda what I have been trying to tell you guys all along. No offense, but I hope they all hunt around the guys who supported the rifle bill, and don't come within a couple of miles of my house. Wishfull thinking, I know.
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