Author Topic: Hi-Point's, junk, fair, or a great value? Be honest now. (Read 2475 times)

JimG · « **on:** September 01, 2005, 10:30:29 AM »

Hi-Point pistols, are they junk or good solid values? Be honest now. From researching posts on this and other websites I have found two very distinct camps. Those who say they 'ain't all that bad and may be dern good' and those who say 'worthless garbage'. The majority say that they DO cycle and last for thousands of shots with no or very little issues. Then the minority seems to think they are completely unuseable. What gives? I know they are not high end pieces but are they reliable and servicable? Thanks.

Graybeard · « **Reply #1 on:** September 01, 2005, 01:19:21 PM »

R.W.Dale · « **Reply #2 on:** September 01, 2005, 03:41:17 PM »

I haven't owned one of their handguns But the little 9mm carbine Is an excellent firearm lightyears ahead of the camp9 I owned previously in accuracy and dependability.

Jerry Lester · « **Reply #3 on:** September 01, 2005, 03:58:35 PM »

I'm "firmly" with GB...

JUNK!

JimG · « **Reply #4 on:** September 02, 2005, 07:20:16 AM »

Ok, can anyone tell me why they are "junk". Bad/dangerous metalurgy, inaccurate, 'jammomatic'?? I'm not looking to beat a dead horse but if the carbine is so good (from research on this forum) then how can the pistol be so bad?? I need educated here. :roll:

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #5 on:** September 02, 2005, 07:34:23 AM »

High Point are pure junk. I had a buddy that was a cheap skate. He just had to have one, and all it did was jam jam jam. He got so frustrated we shot it with my 44 Mag.

Why go to a range and want to shoot, and all you do is clear jam up after jam up. For another $150 you can have a S&W Sigma and know it will work.

High Point is junk no matter what anyone say's. :wink:

WNY_Whitetailer · « **Reply #6 on:** September 02, 2005, 11:01:51 AM »

Hi-Point are the new age Saturday Night Specials...Junk...Plain and simple. A lot of the gang bangers and thugs use them though. Throw away pistols they call them.

Graybeard · « **Reply #7 on:** September 02, 2005, 11:07:13 AM »

They are not made from steel but from pot metal. Even if they function perfectly new they might fire 50 rounds or 5 rounds or 500 rounds before they are trashed. Because of this they are useless as shooters and even dangerous for self protection. I.E., JUNK.

stimpylu32 · « **Reply #8 on:** September 02, 2005, 12:31:14 PM »

I live in ohio so buying a gun made here was a no brainier for me

The 2 compact 9s that i own have worked flawlessly for me .

The first one went to the range with 500 rounds of ammo , some of my hand loads and some factory.

Dumped all them in a box and started loading mags in no special order ,not one misfire or jam in all 500 , that sold me on them

Not the top of the line but a good value for the dollar .

Just my opinion

Savage · « **Reply #9 on:** September 04, 2005, 12:15:13 PM »

Never tempted to try one. Couldn't get past the pot metal and the looks. I think I'd be looking at used guns if my budget were that tight.
Savage

Bigdog57 · « **Reply #10 on:** September 13, 2005, 09:51:59 AM »

I know guys who swear by them, but for the same money you can get a nice CZ52 or Star pistol.

I do like my Hi-Point Carbine though!

Bigl · « **Reply #11 on:** September 23, 2005, 04:09:49 PM »

Well,
I guess this a total matter of OPINION. Usually, most people that put down Hi-Point handguns never had hands on experience with one.
I own 1 Hi-Point Compact 9mm Pistol. I've shot approximately 1500 rounds through it with no problems at all. And I must say that it is as accurate as any of the semi-auto handguns I own (which consist of Smith & Wesson, Colt and Glock). Now I'll agree that it isn't as good looking and fancy as the others, but when you get right down to it, IT DOES THE JOB.

I also own 2 Hi-Point Mod. 995 9mm Carbines, and I wouldn't trade either one of them for anything similar. They are both very accurate and function excellently. I have no problem with Hi-Point Firearms.

Regards

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #12 on:** September 24, 2005, 03:27:31 AM »

Quote from: Bigl

Well,
I guess this a total matter of OPINION. Usually, most people that put down Hi-Point handguns never had hands on experience with one.
I own 1 Hi-Point Compact 9mm Pistol. I've shot approximately 1500 rounds through it with no problems at all. And I must say that it is as accurate as any of the semi-auto handguns I own (which consist of Smith & Wesson, Colt and Glock). Now I'll agree that it isn't as good looking and fancy as the others, but when you get right down to it, IT DOES THE JOB.

I also own 2 Hi-Point Mod. 995 9mm Carbines, and I wouldn't trade either one of them for anything similar. They are both very accurate and function excellently. I have no problem with Hi-Point Firearms.

Regards

I might not of owned one, but several close friends I have did. (Notice I said did.) I shot them and first hand they are junk. I would not bet my life on one. Like they say, one mans junk is another mans treasure.

Bigl · « **Reply #13 on:** September 24, 2005, 05:24:24 PM »

When you say you wouldn't bet your life on one, what do you mean?
If you had to shoot someone to protect yourself or others and you missed with the 1st round, you have doubts that the Hi-Point would recycle another round so you could fire again? Or that the 9mm round coming out of the barrel of a Hi-Point pistol wouldn't have the same results on the intended target as it would coming from a Colt, Smith & Wesson, Glock, or whatever type of 9mm pistol you'd be shooting? I'll tell you something, at any given time or place with ANY BRAND OR TYPE of SEMI-AUTO-LOADING PISTOL there is the chance it won't cycle correctly ( jam or misfire). And when that happens, any gun you are shooting is a piece of JUNK!!!!!!!!!

In closing, I won't say that a Hi-Point handgun is one of the best handguns available. But on the other hand I wouldn't classify them as junk. They have performed well for me, and I guess that is all that matters.

Regards,
bigl

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #14 on:** September 25, 2005, 01:28:20 AM »

Quote from: Bigl

When you say you wouldn't bet your life on one, what do you mean?
If you had to shoot someone to protect yourself or others and you missed with the 1st round, you have doubts that the Hi-Point would recycle another round so you could fire again? Or that the 9mm round coming out of the barrel of a Hi-Point pistol wouldn't have the same results on the intended target as it would coming from a Colt, Smith & Wesson, Glock, or whatever type of 9mm pistol you'd be shooting? I'll tell you something, at any given time or place with ANY BRAND OR TYPE of SEMI-AUTO-LOADING PISTOL there is the chance it won't cycle correctly ( jam or misfire). And when that happens, any gun you are shooting is a piece of JUNK!!!!!!!!!

In closing, I won't say that a Hi-Point handgun is one of the best handguns available. But on the other hand I wouldn't classify them as junk. They have performed well for me, and I guess that is all that matters.

Regards,
bigl

When I say I would not bet my life on them, it is for the FACT that they are not a reliable weapon. They are jamomatics. If a follow up shot was needed I would not count on them working. I have a Colt defender that (NEVER) jams that I carry, I also have a S&W sigma that has never jammed in over a 1000 rounds fired. In closing Hi-point is JUNK. You want to play with your life in time of need be my guest. :roll:

R.W.Dale · « **Reply #15 on:** September 25, 2005, 03:50:19 AM »

I have owned and a couple and know even more people who own them AND THEY ARE VERY RELIABLE FIREARMS they may be ugly and heavy but they will do everything a Glock will do. Their little carbines are the best pistoll caliber rifle money can buy for less than $1000.
More importantly to me through speaking with dealers on the rare ocasions one developes a problem the gun dealers swear by the fact that Hi-Point has the best costumer service out there bar none.
I think the naysayers who have NEVER OWNED ONE :x see a jennings jaming every other shot and think HI-Point or they see a bryco that won,t shoot and think Hi-Point.
Glock and 1911 owners would rather have thier toes pounded flat with a wooden mallet than admit it, but there a few really good buys to be had in off brand guns such as a $220 dollar Bersa thunder .380 is a better made and more accurate weapon than a Sig P232 priced at $500.

Here is a link to a very long running Hi-Point thread.
http://www.gunboards.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=34845

Bigl · « **Reply #16 on:** September 25, 2005, 03:59:15 AM »

So, you have a Colt and a S&W that has never Jammed in a 1000 rounds.

I have a Hi-Point Compact 9mm that has never jammed or failed to function correctly with over a 1000 rounds shot through it.

TOUCHE !!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm not trying to compare one gun to another. There are all kinds of horror stories about every weapon made. I'm just simply stating that I don't have a problem with Hi-Point firearms.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #17 on:** September 25, 2005, 12:42:22 PM »

Quote from: Krochus

I think the naysayers who have NEVER OWNED ONE :x see a jennings jaming every other shot and think HI-Point or they see a bryco that won,t shoot and think Hi-Point.

Krochus, I don't have to own one to know it is junk, plan and simple. I can make that determination buy shoot several and knowing the gun shops that I go to will not even sell them, due to the complaints from the guys that bought them. I don't have to taste dog crap to know that I won't like it. I never though of Hi-point when I see jennings or bryco, but now that you mention it, they are in the same class of firearms. :-D

Bigl, you asked me the questions and I answered them. Like I said I will never own a Hi-point pistol. If it works for you great. But if someone asked for opinions, and I have had hands on experience, I will give my two cents.

I did not mean to bust anyones bubble here, just stating my experience.

jerkface11 · « **Reply #18 on:** September 25, 2005, 02:01:52 PM »

I have a friend with a highpoint 380. It's accurate and doesn't jam. Another buddy had a S&W sigma. He had nothing but trouble with it. Had to send it back to the factory twice took months to get it back.So i'll say smith and wesson is JUNK and the high points are decent guns. Though they are too bulky to carry in my opinion. As for my highpoint carbine i wouldn't trade it for ANY 9mm rifle.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #19 on:** September 25, 2005, 03:37:59 PM »

Quote from: jerkface11

I have a friend with a highpoint 380. It's accurate and doesn't jam. Another buddy had a S&W sigma. He had nothing but trouble with it. Had to send it back to the factory twice took months to get it back.So i'll say smith and wesson is JUNK and the high points are decent guns. Though they are too bulky to carry in my opinion. As for my highpoint carbine i wouldn't trade it for ANY 9mm rifle.

Boy I am glad I heard that from you, now I will have to sell my S&W Sigma. (NOT). :roll:

Any gun can have a malfunction. But when all you hear and experience is jam up, stove piping and fail to fire. Kind on makes you go mummmmm.

I think I have stated all I can about Hi-point pistols, if you like them keep buying them. But you will not see my money go for a junk pistol like Hi-point. :wink:

Bigl · « **Reply #20 on:** September 25, 2005, 04:41:48 PM »

No matter what the Name Brand or the Value ($$$), if the gun fails to function correctly, it's a piece of JUNK.

It's kind of like some people with thier cars and trucks. They would rather push a Ford than drive a Chevy, or vice-versa (that's where a brain fart is in complete control over logic).

I also think I've said all I want to say on this topic. BUT IT'S BEEN FUN!!!!

Best regards,
bigl

jerkface11 · « **Reply #21 on:** September 26, 2005, 03:19:20 AM »

Quote from: Redhawk1

Quote from: jerkface11
I have a friend with a highpoint 380. It's accurate and doesn't jam. Another buddy had a S&W sigma. He had nothing but trouble with it. Had to send it back to the factory twice took months to get it back.So i'll say smith and wesson is JUNK and the high points are decent guns. Though they are too bulky to carry in my opinion. As for my highpoint carbine i wouldn't trade it for ANY 9mm rifle.

Boy I am glad I heard that from you, now I will have to sell my S&W Sigma. (NOT). :roll:

Any gun can have a malfunction. But when all you hear and experience is jam up, stove piping and fail to fire. Kind on makes you go mummmmm.

I think I have stated all I can about Hi-point pistols, if you like them keep buying them. But you will not see my money go for a junk pistol like Hi-point. :wink:

So when a highpoint has problems it means they're all junk. When a smith is a big ole turd you say any gun can malfunction. Send a highpoint back to the factory and you have it back in a couple weeks with a new magazine thrown in for your trouble. Send a smith back and a few months later you get your gun back and it might even be fixed.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #22 on:** September 26, 2005, 06:46:03 AM »

Quote from: jerkface11

Quote from: Redhawk1
Quote from: jerkface11
I have a friend with a highpoint 380. It's accurate and doesn't jam. Another buddy had a S&W sigma. He had nothing but trouble with it. Had to send it back to the factory twice took months to get it back.So i'll say smith and wesson is JUNK and the high points are decent guns. Though they are too bulky to carry in my opinion. As for my highpoint carbine i wouldn't trade it for ANY 9mm rifle.

Boy I am glad I heard that from you, now I will have to sell my S&W Sigma. (NOT). :roll:

Any gun can have a malfunction. But when all you hear and experience is jam up, stove piping and fail to fire. Kind on makes you go mummmmm.

I think I have stated all I can about Hi-point pistols, if you like them keep buying them. But you will not see my money go for a junk pistol like Hi-point. :wink:

So when a highpoint has problems it means they're all junk. When a smith is a big ole turd you say any gun can malfunction. Send a highpoint back to the factory and you have it back in a couple weeks with a new magazine thrown in for your trouble. Send a smith back and a few months later you get your gun back and it might even be fixed.

I think you missed the point. I don't see S&W owners having constant problems with there guns, as Hi-point owners. All guns have some problems, nobody is perfect. It is called quality, something Hi-point does not have. Sure they have good customer service, they need it to make up for the lack of quality. I am through discussing this point with you.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #23 on:** September 26, 2005, 12:31:47 PM »

Being a Moderator does not make me any different than you. You seem to want the conversation to go on and on, just to prove your point. The topic was Post subject: Hi-Point's, junk, fair, or a great value? Be honest now.

I answered the question to the best of my knowledge of the Hi-point. You wanted to turn it into a my gun is better than your gun. You want to buy Hi-points be my guest. But like I said 2 posts ago, not me. I was honest and you did not like it. So you made a half attempt to attack S&W firearms. What was your point in it? I have had hands on experience with Hi-point and I gave my feed back. Again, if the gun shops in my area will not even order a Hi-point because of all the complaints don't you think there might be some problem there? I refuse to answer any more of your post here. If you want to take it off the board, my e-mail address is Surfish7@aol.com.

jerkface11 · « **Reply #24 on:** September 26, 2005, 12:36:06 PM »

My hands on experience with smith autos is that they're junk. I don't know anyone that's owned one that DIDN'T have to send it back to the factory at least once.

Quote

Personal Attacks are considered unacceptable at GBO and will result in removal from the GBO website, the manner in which these are handled will be at the discretion of the Administration. In cases of continued disagreements in open forum by multiple parties equal action will be taken with all involved parties, no one member will be shown special consideration in such cases regardless of membership status.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #25 on:** September 26, 2005, 01:19:54 PM »

JimG, I would like to apologize to you for getting into a pi$$ing contest with other members here. I am not different than any of you guys here and don't want my position at Graybeard to reflect badly on Graybeard or his site. I stand behind what I posted in this thread, but won't have my position be used agents me. So hopefully I will still be a member here and give further assistance to those that need it.

Bigl · « **Reply #26 on:** September 26, 2005, 04:50:43 PM »

Hey Fellows,
If I stepped on anyones toes concerning this topic, I apologize. I was only trying to express my opinion of a product that I have experience with.

I've had a fun time of discussion concerning this topic, but I think we've run this one dry.

Best regards,
bigl

NONYA · « **Reply #27 on:** September 26, 2005, 05:20:12 PM »

Bought one of the 9mms,polished the ramp and havnt had a jam since,fired MANY rounds through it w/o a problem,makes a good under the seat rig for those varmits you bump into from time to time!

Graybeard · « **Reply #28 on:** September 26, 2005, 05:22:29 PM »

I've made some adjustments to this thread to get it in line with GBO policy. My first inclination is to lock it. But based on the last couple of posts maybe it isn't necessary so for now I'll leave it open.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and to express it here. Matters not if Moderator or just a member. No one is allowed to violate the rules either. The rules apply equally to members and moderators.

v-man · « **Reply #29 on:** September 27, 2005, 11:58:52 AM »

GB, I'm glad you left it open long enough for me to weigh in.
I have never owned or shot any of the Hi Point handguns nor do they look like anything I would ever care to own one. But....I have to comment on the Hi Point carbine. It is ugly. Construction and materials are very unimpressive. I would not choose it as a to for saving my live if I had other choices.
Having said that, I bought mine new for $100 about 2 years ago and 4 or 5 trips to the range have allowed me to put 800 rounds through it at 25 and 50 yards, It was surprisingly accurate and I have never had one jam, failure to fire or failure to eject. not one!
I don't get it.The piece of junk just won't act up. Go figure