Had a chance to shoot a few rounds through y .17 hmr today. Had Hornady V-max and Federal V-Shok. Better, more consistant groups with the Hornady. Just before leaving I shot a two liter soda bottle filled with water with each round. The Federal had a clean entrance and exit hole, bullet not recovered. The Hornady had a fairly clean entrance hole with no exit hole. Bullet fragments settled in bottom of bottle along with red tip. Shots were from about 60 yards. Was really surprised there was no exit with the Hornady.