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« on: April 15, 2005, 03:54:01 PM »
I'm wondering if a rumor I hear is true. I'm a lover of pit bulls  I honestly feel they are great dogs just given a bad wrap by hoods. I've heard they have used them successfully as catch dogs while hunting boars. I was just wondering ( I know this will sound dumb to alot of you) if anyone has done this kind of hunting or has used them for any kind of hunting activity. I'm not trying to spark fires just wondering if anyone has tryed using them for a hunting purpose.

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« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2005, 09:52:10 PM »
simplicity, when I was stationed in Hawaii, all the local boys used dog and a KNIFE to hunt pig. They perfered pits or a cross breed as long as it had pit in the mix. They also used to put a little gun powder in their  feed (this is not a joke) to make them more aggressive while hunting. They took better care of the dogs than they did some of the family. I got in with the locals after about a year, and could get them on the base on the weekends for hunting. I carried a Rem 788 in 308, and they could hunt with knives all they wanted.

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« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2005, 12:20:41 AM »
I have never personally seen hunting with pits. I do however have a fondness for the breed to say the least.
Keeping in mind I have no experience, I would think they could do pretty good at it if trained properly. They are strong, smart and not afraid to hold there ground. From my experience with them they are also fast enough, which is great considering they are a pretty small package for their weight.
Truth is they are one of (if not) my favorite breeds.

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« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2005, 06:23:52 AM »
I love the breed I have a female that has been breed for the true standard of the breed which isn'tthe short stalky type like the english staffordshires true pits are rather elongagted. Mine is incredibly fast and quick. I've just been looking for a kind of hunting that I could do with her up here though she tends to go on sight rather then scent. also kinda trying to make a new outlook on the breed. though I'm also buying a house here soon and i don't know if I can find a insurance agency that will give me insurance with her up here in maine. Since acouple of the major cities here have banned owning of them. Thanks for the insight and I strongly am against the feeding them gun powder period. That just makes any dog mean torwards anything even the handler. To me the true american pit bull is a very majestic looking dog.

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« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2005, 03:05:00 AM »
The true pitbull is a true multi purpose dog and can be trained for about any task. Yes, your pit can be used to hunt and with other dogs if she is not dog aggressive. If you are not sure that she is not dog aggressive, don't ever put her with someones hounds! As a rule, if your pit jumps a hound during a hunt, she will be shot, and you may be the one that will have to do it before you leave. She could be used on bear or coon if you could spark the interest. That is not really a Maine dog, they really shine in the south. She could be a fine tolling or finish dog when hunting coyotes.
 To see a pitbull really shine you need to see one catch a hog! This is something that the breed lives for. I have never even heard of one that needed to be trained for this activity. You may need to show the dog where you want it to catch( the ear), but it will catch.
 The pit really gets a bad rap, but that is because of the owner, not the breed. If you were to go on a hog hunt, you will notice that the catchdog(Pit) is only focused on one thing, the hog. He could careless about the other dogs and when he is released, he will knock the hounds out of the way to get to the hog to catch it. That is focus, and that trait has also been the downfall of the breed in recent history. Have fun with her! Weight pull is a activity that they also excel at.

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« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2005, 03:46:20 AM »
Fellas - every pit bull or Stafforshire I have met has been an absolute laplug.  Bad reputations are given far too quickly and are based more on owner misbehavior and bad handling than on the dog's actions.  

A lack of proper obedience training for both the owner and the animal is a surefire formula for trouble.  Most of our local drug dealers perfer pits simply for their reputation.  They will chain them near a door, beat and starve them to make them nasty so that when the cops come through the door on a drug raid the first theing they encounter is a rat nasty pit, and the bad reputation follows after that.  Our town council has sought law after law banning pits and other dangerous breeds, but when faced with the statistics that the miniature Poodle bites more people in the US every year than any other breed, the main premise of their legislative efforts slows down significantly.

A local pet motel and groomer is a member of the Out of The Pits rescue group for Pit Bulls.  Every Pit that is brough to her is put through basic obedience training and good sam training.  Some even go through therapy dog training and every single one of her dogs (all pits) I have encountered prefer my lap to rest their chin on (or crawl into) and my hand rubbing the back of their neck.  If they didn't slobber, shed and take up all the room on either the couch or the bed I would probably have a couple of them.  

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« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2005, 03:07:57 PM »
first off, glad to read posts that don't put the breed down.....i have a male pit (U.K.C. registered) that just turned 1 year old and he is the best dog ever, and is great around my children. i have heard people use them for hog hunting because they are a powerful dog, and also the American bulldog is used. i have never seen this or know anything about it to comment too much about. but i know my pit is the most intelligent dog i have ever owned, and he can be taught just about anything.
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« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2005, 08:37:31 AM »
This is a great thread, I raise APBT's, and use mine for hog hunting and working cattle.
They will do anything you ask them, once they get the idea. Mine catch by the nose (cattle) or the ear and when possible they get to make the local conformation shows. I also raise working Australian Shepherds and as a tandem on REALLY rank cattle or hogs they are tough to beat.  
None of mine are dog aggressive however, if another dog jumps on them IT IS ON.
Great to hear some positive comments on an exceptional breed of dog.
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« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2005, 02:30:21 PM »
I don't have any problems with dog aggression. I've accually had one of my grandmothers dogs ( kinda a freak strain in labs has the kinda long shaggy hair but it came from two chocolate labs) three different occasionshe bit my pit first two times she really thought nothing of it, though the third time he sunk a K-nine into my dogs shoulder and she thought that was enough and spun around and muckled on to  the males leg (grandmothers dog is half again bigger then my female) then he had relised he had bitten off more then he could chew. I let her make a quick point. I said that was enough and instantly she went on her way. Only reason why I write this is not tosay my dog is a tough dog but just to aggree with D G that thats the way the majority of pits, staffs of amer.BD's are if another jumps them then it becomes a situation for sure. I see it many times with the pits that I know when we take them to the parks  no matter what other dogs start with them every one sees it as the pits fault. But I guess there isn't much we can do about society listening to the media.

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« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2005, 02:15:11 AM »
Simplicity, If you really want to hunt with your pit, why not give coyotes a try. Your dog sounds perfect for it and she will love it.

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« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2005, 02:15:32 AM »
Simplicity, what did you decide to do with your pit?

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« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2005, 03:51:33 AM »
Rabid, I follow a Australian hog hunting site. They use some very interesting concoctions of breeds to hunt with. I often wonder as to what quality of Pitbull that they get over there or in NZ. You mentioned weight and being athletic as being the reason you left the pure pit and went to the mixed breeds. Would you care to elaborate? Also, what do the mixes bring to the hunt that pure pit does not?

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« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2005, 08:24:18 AM »
Well to tell the truth alot has happened since I first posted this thread. I bought a house and moved to a new area, got laid off from my job so been spending all my time finding a new job. But I do wanna try the coyote hunting hence we don't have hogs up here in maine. I just honestly think my pit would wanna play with the coyote rather then kill it.

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« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2005, 12:54:37 AM »
They can be used to tree squirrels also, catch wounded deer etc.

I do have a problem with any dog being unfriendly when other dogs are around, espceially while hunting. I have had  a black mouth cur/german shepard mix which was gentle as a lamb and would not start a fight under any circumstances, but when jumped it would git with it. The size of the dog and the ultimate outcome required the dog to be removed. It just did not know when to stop after it was turned on. There is a fine line there which has to be moniotered and we are responsible if it is out of hand.

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« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2005, 04:04:31 AM »
i had  a pit crossed with bullmastiff outstanding pig dog if you did not mind a chewed up pig.she was just to hard on them.she was 115 lbs..i had to give here away ,when she came on heat my wife could not come near me the dog became to protective over me.  
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« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2005, 05:48:29 PM »
growing up we had a red nosed pitt named lady got from a new mexico lion hunter( she came pregnant with by a plott) she was tearin up his hounds so he gave her to my dad. that dog would work cattle but sometimes if they got on the fight shed get a lil too aggressive. one time that dog successfully stalked and killed a crow she stalked like a dang cat. at the time we had about 12 horses and every now and again we would turn them out in the arena. the horses would run buck and have a good ol time we could even let my lil brother just 2 yrs walk around the arena like he owned the place which he never grew out of lol and that dog would be right there by his side if the horses got too close shed run em off not too aggressive with horses my dad wouldnt allow it but when it was time to put em up we tell get home lady and she would seperate each horse and put em in there corral stay at the gate till we got there and then put the next one in. she was a great family dog too if we got to fighten 3 boys and one girl shed get between us and lick us in the face till we stopped. firecly loyal wouldnt let strangers get near us she never bit no one she didnt have too when she didnt want ppl around she had a way of talkin outta there especially if they smelled like booze. any who im 31 and i still have a red nose pitt just as kind and gentle as lady and just as protective not mean by any sorts just protective. any who to get to the topic hes a purty decent quail dog he flushes em and i give em hand signals to show him where i want him to go. he retrieves but id rather he didnt lol he tends to chew the quail like bubble gum as he does with a tennis ball. he is my constant companion in boonies and loves to go fishing often barking to let me know i got ol whiskers on the line then sits there and waits for me to real him in. pitts are very good family dogs its a shame the rap the breed has received. i have seen alot of worthless pitts too as well as other breeds but those are usually in the hands of worthless ppl my grandad always said that a dog is only as good as its owner. sorry so long winded

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« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2005, 03:49:57 PM »
Mikey

You sound like you live in Fresno, Cal? They've been talking about it on the radio lately. It's to bad they don't deal with the problem, bad owners, rather than the symptom, the dogs!
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« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2006, 10:54:32 PM »
this is my new pup he is twelve weeks old. his father is a pit crossed with a lab his mother is a australian catle dog[or blue heeler] crossed with a stafordshire bull terrier.he is a good dog verygood tempriment but scared of nothing,a very loveing dog he will make a good pig dog.klick on pic to see bigger
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« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2006, 05:30:35 PM »
i hunt with my 2 pits on hogs all the time,they will get along with all the other dogs and people but hate hogs,wouldn't take for mine

and this is what he loves to catch
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« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2006, 03:07:36 PM »
any dog is going to get good reviews and bad ones. dogs are as good as the way there raised. yes the pits make great stop dogs for hogs but you can not have dog aggresive dogs. i have had great hog dogs but they were mean with other dogs, they don;t make it!!! it is a fine line. i am a dog lover and would keep every dog i could get my hands on, buuuuut they don;t always make it.  good luck
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« Reply #20 on: March 23, 2006, 06:19:19 PM »
They are good for accasional hunting,I shoot em every time i catch em chasing the elk out of our alphafa fields,theres a few rots and a pit layin out there in the weeds. :wink:
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« Reply #21 on: March 24, 2006, 11:37:01 AM »
Come on, Nonya cut the pitbull people some slack. If it wasn't for us who would the rest of the people rag on?
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« Reply #22 on: March 24, 2006, 10:43:09 PM »
I have no pitty on them or thier dogs,there was a 4 year old boy killed by 2 Rots near here last month,what a waste. :roll:
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« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2006, 10:36:40 AM »
It ain't the dogs NONYA. While some are bad, most are what their owners make them. Had a couple people move into town 10 yrs or so ago that brought a stock chaser with them. We offered to buy them a chain and put in a dog house for them but they wouldn't have their dog chained. It wasn't a Rot or a Pit but both ended up just as dead. Yep, sometimes the only way to stop a stock chaser is to shoot it.

After that one they got two more mutt's and turned them loose. The wife came home and found them trying to get the chicken's. Went in the house a got a gun. Came back out and they were chasing the horses. They left when she showed up and yelled. I drove in right after and found them in my top pasture; that's where they died. But they weren't bad dog's, they had bad owner's!

When I was training, I had a client bring me a new client with a dog that liked to fight when turned loose. The dog was bad but after training the dog quit fighting. Unfortunatelly the nasty attitude came out on the guy's wife and he shot his own dog! That's an exception as most dog's are what their owners make them.

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« Reply #24 on: March 26, 2006, 11:45:08 PM »
Don.he is from the Mapleridge Kennels in Eureka MT.
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« Reply #25 on: April 01, 2006, 12:54:44 PM »
there is good and bad in all of them.... try curs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #26 on: July 15, 2006, 07:46:02 AM »
one of my best friends has some kind of pit, that he used when he was in the french foreign legion to kill a bunch of boars, he used a pole with a long knife at the end, that same dog lets his daughter ride around on him and pull on his ears etc just a loving dog, but a good hunting dog as well.
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« Reply #27 on: July 16, 2006, 01:00:41 PM »
So nice to hear all these positive comments on Pit Bulls I've been the Photographer for the AAPBA for 8.5 yrs now.
( see www.aapba.com) I've  met close to 4000 pits in that time and only met THREE that had aggresion issues with people. They are all dead now. One of them was my pup. He didn't see his 1st b-day. Just lost my 1st pit 3 monthes ago. 13 years old.
He was the greatest trail and woods dog I've ever met. There was nothing he couldn't or wouldn't do. And not stop, EVER.
The only thing I ever saw him quit doing was eating(empty bowl) sleeping(woke up) pissin' and crapping(all done)
HE NEVER QUIT. Can they hunt ?? They can do ANYTHING any other dog can do and do it BETTER. Hell I watched Thor give a greyhound a RUN for his money !! NO LIE !! Swims class 3 rapids, FOR FUN, CLIMBS TREES after whatever might be up there.
Can outdig a badger, outswim a salmon, outrun a cheetah, outclimb a squirrel, I've even see him try FLYING(right of the edge of a 60 foot cliff) FULL BORE !!
Pits for LIFE folks !! And the GREATEST disposition with people, kids, dogs, cats. Just wanted to eat our woodsy friends.

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« Reply #28 on: July 19, 2006, 06:25:13 AM »
Guys--and Gals,

A friend of mine was given two Pit/Lab crossed puppies, and he allowed them to run loose on his farm--which was semi-wooded.  Both started treeing squirrels.  (I, when I was a kid, knew of hound men that would place a pup at a willing farmer's place and allow it to freely follow its instincts to hunt and tree.  At an appropriate age, the pup would be picked up and finished.  That usually was a matter of breaking them from off game.)  He gave me one of the dogs.  He was a good squirrel dog, but he was a little on the dangerous side.  A true Pit Bull is bred to be docile with people but aggressive with animals--particularily other Pits or Bulldogs; however, when a Pit is crossed, it almost always turns the aggression loose on people.  I love and own Pits, but I do not believe that a person should have a Pit who is not at least a semi-professional dog handler.  I would make an exception for a person who is willing to take instruction from someone who knows what he/she is talking about.  I'm short on time at the moment, but I may write more about this later.

I found my present Pit as a nearly-starved-to-death pup trying to eat a dead 'possom in a bar ditch.  We named him Ditch, and he is--so far--a non-aggressive dog.

Add #1:  I said that Ditch "is--so far--a non-aggressive dog."  Herein is a problem: Pits do what those in the dog-fighting game call "coming around."  What that refers to is the FACT that Pits will frequently be completely normal, non-aggressive dogs for a period of time--sometimes two or three years.  Then, they will "come around:" their fighting instincts will surface, and, if the owner is not expecting this to happen, there will sometimes be H___ to pay.  The best account of this that I have heard is of a man who had a Pit pup which was allowed to run loose in the neighborhood until he was 10 months old.  At that age, he started through the neighborhood and eliminated seven other dogs before he was caught.  This delay in the on-set of the instinct to fight lulls some people into complacency--a complacency from which they are sometimes rudely awakened.

Add #2:  I mentioned the willingness to take instruction, and I spoke of allowing a Pit to run loose.  I gave a classy, showy female to a young couple once.  Before I completed the transaction, I spent at least an hour talking to him about Pits.  Among other things, I told him with a great deal of emphasis that Pits CAN NOT BE ALLOWED TO RUN LOOSE.  He agreed with everything I said but absorbed none of it!  He considered it cruel to confine any dog with either a chain or kennel--both of which have their place.  He allowed the Pit to run loose.  His house was next to my pasture.  One day, I rode my Appaloosa stallion past his house.  The Pit, having never seen such a creature as a man on a horse, launched an attack.  Luckily, or by the grace of God, I saw her coming and hit the ground, on my feet, between her and the horse.  When she saw me on the ground, she stopped.  If she had locked onto the horse before I was off, me, the horse, and the dog would have been in serious trouble.  I BOUGHT the dog back from the guy to prevent any further incidents.

Add #3:  THIS IS VERY SERIOUS!  Some Pits--certainly not all--which would never be aggressive toward an adult will go after a small child hammer and tongs.  My thinking is that they do not recognize a child as a person but think that it is some kind of little animal.  (Remember, the true Pit is docile with people but aggressive with other animals--particularly other Pits or Bulldogs.)  I have known of this in full Pits, and I once had a dog that was 7/8 Boston Terrier and 1/8 Pit who exhibited this characteristic: a friend came over with his little girl.  The dog was loose, and, while he made no attempt to attack the man, he went after the child.  Her father stayed between the dog and the girl until I caught him.  I put him down.

Add #4:  The above Add #3 speaks to a particular case, but, in GENERAL, anyone who leaves a small child unattended with ANY Pit is a fool.  I'll go one better: anyone who leaves a small child unattended with ANY large dog is a fool--or stupidly negligent!  By unattended, I include allowing a child to be any significant distance from an adult and with a large dog.  I have seen people on a porch or patio watching a child play with a large dog--even Pits--50 or 60 feet away.  A large dog can kill a child that far away before an adult can get to them from that distance.  I shudder every time I hear someone say, "My dog would never hurt my kid."  Ask an expert about "displaced aggression!"

Add #5:  I have mentioned that the true Pit is genetically conditioned to be docile with people and aggressive with other animals.  Herein is another problem.  When a Pit is crossed with something else, it appears to upset that genetic balance and turn the aggression loose on people.  (I have heard it said, and proved it in my own experience, that, if you want a good watch dog, don't get a full Pit: get a crossed dog.  I may later come back with the story of Baldy, my Pit/English Pointer crossed dog.)  The problem is that most Pits around now are NOT true Pits: they have been "improved" by crossing.  I have not, in recent times, seen a true "hog-nosed" dog.  As one argument for what I am saying, the true Pit was a small dog.  Thirty-five pounds was a good fighting weight.  A Pit that weighed in at 40 pounds in good condition was a large one.  When you see a "Pit" that weighs in at 80 to 120 pounds, you're probably looking at something like a Pit/Bull Mastaff cross.  And registration papers are a joke!  (One of my outlaw cousins--I've learned a few things from my outlaw cousins--had an absolutely beautiful Pit male.  He was pure white and weighed in at 80 pounds.  He was a canine eliminator: any stray that got near where he was chained was a suicidial mutt, and he killed some other Pits in matches in less than a minute.)  As a second argument for what I am saying, the true Pit was not mouthy.  If someone tells you that they have a Pit, and the dog is standing at the end of his chain barking with every breath, he ain't no true Pit.  (Ike, the Pit/Lab crossed squirrel dog that I started this discussion with, would wait silently, near the end of his chain, until another dog got within reach, then it got rough.  The salvation of several dogs that approached him was that he would not lock on like a full Pit.)

Add #6:  I have digressed from the matter of Pits as hunting dogs.  Pits are properly American Pit Bull Terriers.  They are generally the result of the crossing of the English Terriers with English Bulldogs.  Terriers are hunting dogs: they are dogs that will "go to ground" after game.  (My wife's five-pound Yorkie, when she gets an opportunity to be loose outside, will immediately start to hunt--even if a big boar squirrel might whip her b--t.)  And there were, I am told, other breeds that fed into the mix.  One predecessor to both the Pit Bull and the English Pointer was the Spanish Pointer.  A friend of mine--Bob was an English Pointer breeder and trainer--showed me a picture of the Spanish Pointer, and he looked somewhat like an old-time Pit Bull.  (English Pointers will sometimes fight like Pits.  Bob told me that it wasn't unusual, at large field trials, for a male Pointer to slip his collar on the tie chain and kill others before he was caught.)

Add #7:  While it is not unusual here in Oklahoma for Pits or crossed dogs to be used to hunt various kinds of game, their most common use is for Hog/"Hawg" hunts.  Hog hunters usually have trail dogs that are loose hunters.  These dogs--sometimes Hounds, or Catahulas, or Black-mouthed Curs, or mixtures of these and other breeds--will seek out and bay the pigs.  The catch dog is kept leashed until the pigs are bayed.  He is then sent in to catch pigs.  A Pit catch dog will lock on to a pig and hold until it is killed or caught and tied.  (Why catch and tie a pig?  So it can be taken home and fed out before butchering.)  The catch dog, which is generally a Pit or Pit cross, is kept leashed to avoid an inadvertant match with one or more of the loose dogs.  Incidentally, while I really don't know, I am convinced that Catahulas, Black-mouthed Curs, and Plott Coonhounds all have some infusion of Pit blood.

The thing to keep in mind is this: all dogs descend from the Wolf and the Wolf hunts; therefore, all dogs have a greater or lessor instinct to hunt. Another thing to keep in mind is this: individual dogs are different.  Some will hunt, while others will not.  Individual dogs from one of the hunting breeds will sometimes not hunt.  Ever heard the expression, "That dog won't hunt!"?  It means something will not work.  Very similar to the expression, "That idea won't fly!" 


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Re: pit's as hunting dog
« Reply #29 on: August 23, 2006, 04:04:31 AM »
I’m afraid that the only thing my female Pit really wants to hunt is a lap to curl up upon.  The good thing is that she was the runt of the litter and weighs only about 45 pounds.  All in all one of the sweetest tempered, best mannered and friendliest dogs I have ever had.  She is so friendly that she would probably hold the sack for burglars if they broke into our house. ;)
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