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Offline victorcharlie

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Difference in .22lr ammo
« on: April 14, 2005, 05:47:59 AM »
I had an old friend drop by a couple of days ago who brought his .22 rifles with him.....we decided to make a trip to the rifle range for an evening of plinking.....We took 3 different 22 rifles.......a Ruger 77/22 bolt action with a 6X fixed power Leupold, a Browning Buckmaster heavy barrel with a fixed 4X Nikon, and a Remington Nylon 66 with Bushnell 1.5 X 4.5....the Nylon 66 was fired with the scope set at 4.5 power.   Conditions at the range were almost perfect......72 degrees and no wind........
 
We took the following ammo:  A 500 bulk pack of Remington 38 grain round nose hollow points purchased from Walmart for a little less than $10.....a 525 bulk pack of the same Remington 38 grain round nose hollow points purchased from Benton Shooters supply, a local large gun store, for 10.95........CCI standard velocity lead round nose at $5.95 per hundred purchased fromm Carter Shooting Supply, a small local store, CCI green tag "match" from Carter at $12.95 per hundred, and Winchester high velocity power point 40 grain hollow points......these were also purchased from Carter.  These winchester rounds are the traditional "box of 50" packaging, not sure of the price.....  
 
We fired 5 shot groups from a solid bench using a Cadwell front and rear bag at 25 yards, 50 yards and 100 yards.......  
 
The worst groups from all rifles at all ranges came from the Walmart remingtons.......all 3 rifles got similar groups or around 3" at 50 yards....the groups were like a shotgun at 100 yards at least a 6" spread.....just plain horrible.......we could hear the difference in these rounds......and the auto's suffered several jams using these Walmart Remington rounds......  
 
Here's where it gets interesting......  
 
All 3 rifles shot the Winchesters about the same....smaller groups than the Walmarts but still around 2" at 50 yards.  
 
Then came the CCI standard velocity rounds......better again, with all 3 rifles shooting about 1 1/2 inches at 50 yards......  
 
The real suprise, in all 3 rifles, at both 25 and 50 yards, were the Remingtons from the local large gun store.......the groups from the Buckmark and nylon 66 were about the same at  3/4 inch at fifty yards....but in the 1/2 inch range with the Ruger at 50 yards......  
 
Interesting enough, the green tag did not shoot any better than the remington from the large local store, at 25 and 50 yards in any of the 3 rifles........at 100 yards, it produced 1 1/2" groups only in the Ruger with the Browning Buckmark and the Nylon 66 shooting the Green tag and Remingtons around 2 inches at the same 100 yards........  
 
Some of the things we observed was the the green tag CCI at $12 dollars a hundred, shot no better at ranges of 50 yards and less than the $11 dollar for 525 count remingtons purchased from Benton..........5 times the price, no better performance......3 different rifles fired by 2 different shooters.........  
 
Walmart Remingtons, at least the ones we got, are clearly drastically different than the Remingtons purchased at Benton Shooters supply and are only 10% cheaper.......I decided to plink with the Walmart remington using my Ruger single six......about one in 20 Walmart remington rounds were difficult to load into the single six.......very tight.....this most likely explains the jamming in the 2 auto loaders.......  
 
No ammo, other than the Walmart remingtons experienced any jamming by either of the 2 autoloaders........  
 
Both me as well as my buddy had heard the Walmart stories......both about differences in guns as well as ammo........yes, the remington ammo was different lots, but I wouldn't have expected that big a difference......  
 
My buddy always shot the $12 green tag......guess what.......he's decided to try the test again using ammo purchased at Walmart and local shops in the Middle Tn area.......we both agree the Remingtons from benton were suprising, and were on par with the much more expensive CCI green tag.....at least in the autoloaders.....  
 
Any one else had a similar experience?
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« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2005, 08:25:25 AM »
I have had really good luck with the Federal bulk pak from Wal-Mart. Have shot several hundred rounds in the last few weeks with no mis-fires at all. Around 3/4" or a little less best groups using a H&R Sportster .22 LR. Have a box of the Wal-Mart Remingtons at home and will try them next to see if there is a difference.

Benton's has got to be the best gun store I have ever been in. I travel through there a lot when working with Bowater over in Calhoun. Always has some of every .17 HMR in stock. Can't find that here. Friendly folks, too.

Good shooting.
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« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2005, 08:32:45 AM »
Yes, Benton has a huge inventory.......this is a good time to go by there......they tell me this is there slow time of year.......I haven't tried the federals in many many years......maybe I'll pick up a pack.....I was thinking I'd drive back to benton and get another 525 pack out of the same lot.......might just pick up several thousand as they shoot so well.......
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« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2005, 12:59:45 PM »
Never been a big fan of Remington rimfire ammo since I was a Kid and had misfires a lot with the golden coated stuff. I had some thunderbolt really lead up a pistol once also so I have stayed away from that. Some of that cheap federal ammo shoots good as does CCI and My 22's really Like the Wolf target ammo and the Federal target ammo. The WOlf gets the edge in groups though.  But then this is my guns and every gun is different what mine likes yours may not so it pays to try as many brands as you can. Every gun is different and some more picky than others but once you find a load that it likes it pays to stock up if you can with that particular lot number ect. jim
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« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2005, 04:57:51 PM »
It's funny how picky a .22 LR can be sometimes. My Remington 541 will shoot a lot of ammo well but the best in general in CCI green tag. Several years ago when I did the most testing green tag shot about even with Eley 10X in my gun but even green tag is half the price of 10X. The Eley shot best in my friends 541 though. If you can find any you should try PMC match and for a cheaper load PMC target they have shot well in both guns. I get a few more un explained fliers (not a lot just every now and then) with the target but it makes a great practice/plinking round.
victorcharlie how close do you live from Benton Shooters Supply. I love to stop in there when I go up to Cades Cove but I usually only make it back to Benton just before closing time and never have enough time to look around. I'm like a kid in a candy shop though. I need to take a day and ride up there just to Benton Shooters Supply. Its only about a 45 min. drive but I never seem to get up there.
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« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2005, 01:22:13 AM »
Ten years ago I shot 5000 rounds of ammo through my 22's to see what they liked the best.  This test included both high velocity and standard velocity ammo.  I ended up finding that in both rifles they liked different ammo for best accuracy.  I now shoot Win Dynapoints for my target shooting and I use CCI Subsonic hollowpoints for hunting.  It is very eye opening to see how much difference there can be with different ammo.
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« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2005, 02:03:04 AM »
Bruce, I'm about 30 miles from Benton........about 20 miles north of Chattanooga........You must be around Dalton?
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« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2005, 04:11:48 PM »
I do live in the country just North east of Dalton. Lets see 20 miles north of Chattanooga and thirty miles from Benton. That would still be south of Dayton and I'm guessing on the east side of the Tennessee River. Maybe around the Birchwood area?
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« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2005, 03:17:37 PM »
My 541s will shoot walmart remingtons into one ragged 30cal size hole at 30yds., but it is not worth beans at 100yds   What happens to a high speed  22 when it comes back down through the sound bearier? Does it affect the group size?