"MASSIVE" CLAW EXTRACTOR

[razmuz]

A letter in the latest "Rifle" magazine relates that the Win-70 extractor is not made of Spring Steel.  They say you can get a steel after market extractor for $30.00.  The CZ is starting to look better and better.

[PA-Joe]

Why are you concerned. They are so big the rarely break.

[while99]

I've never had a problem with a Model 70 Winchester claw extractor, either pre-64 or the currently-manufactured classic series.  I don't know what they were/are made of but they are plenty strong.

[beemanbeme]

another chicken little non-problem addressed to excess.

[razmuz]

I'm not concerned, I just got my expectations set pretty high.  Timex's rarely break, but I still wear a GMT.  I like fine tooling.  When I'm on the deer stand I rub my hands over my fine rifles.  I DON'T WANT NO JUNK.  I just paid an extra $400 to get a Rem. CDL done over (the works).  You say why didn't I just go ahead and get a Kimber or such.  Because a Kimber won't shoot as straight.  
Gun Snob in Texas

[beemanbeme]

Since I don't know what a GMT is, I'll assume its a watch (I thought it stood for Greenwich Mean Time).  Something for you to think about whilst on your deer stand:  ALL THINGS MECHANICAL CAN BREAK.  No amount of money can dispute that.  Have a good day.   :grin:

[oldelkhunter]

Well one would have thought it was made of spring steel. It shouldn't make an ounce of difference unless dangerous game were involved. If for  whatever reason the operator decided to  shuck out a live round fast(Heat of action)..that could bend a cast extractor but that would be a rare scenario at best. If it makes you feel better then go for it.

[razmuz]

A whole lot of folks are real sad after finding out that the Win-70's extractor is not made from spring steel.  In the future I'm going to get the Feather Weight in 6.5X55.  You bet I'm going to replace the extractor.  I don't hunt anything more dangerous than deer, but I like the idea that the rifle is as good as it can be.  If you notice 90% of stuff advertised in gun magazines is replacement parts for factory rifles.  I'm not alone.  I think Tikka could have ruled except for all that plastic.  A lot of you stuck with the Winchesters claim that the current extractors are OK, but I know better.  Deep in your gun loving hearts you want the "SPRING STEEL" extractors.  Many of you will slink out in the night and get one.
I HAVE SPOKEN:

[beemanbeme]

Razmuz, you are kidding, of course.    :-D

[Ramrod]

What the hey? Why would anyone want a claw extractor made from spring steel? What exactly does the Win. extractor need to "spring" over? What do you think Controlled Round Feed is all about? Springy extractors are for push-feeds, not Mauser style claws.

[razmuz]

Spring steel is springy.  It's the best steel with a memory.  If stressed too much it springs back to the original position.  This is the kind of steel quality springs are made from.  The Win-70 extractor has no memory.  If stressed to much it won't bounce back.  Many times deer have attacked hunters.  Be prepared. Get a new extractor.

Gun Snob in Taxes......GED

[longwalker]

All steel has memory. Depending on the application, different steel alloys are selected and then heat treated to further enhance the proporties desired. So what does this all mean? It means there are many ways to achieve the desired goals of manufacturing quality. There is no best or only way.


longwalker

[Ramrod]

Winchester has been pawning off these non-spring steel extractors on us poor sucker Model 70 owners since 1937. Paul Mauser got away with it in the most successfull and widely copied action ever, the 1898. I guess we owners of these guns are all just a bunch of ignorant rubes. :-D  :-D  :-D  :-D

[Shorty]

OK, enlighten me.  :?   If the extractor is not spring steel, how is it that, when you rotate it out of its groove to slide it off the bolt at disassembly, it snaps back in upon reassembly?  To me, that is "spring".

[Ramrod]

I may be wrong, but I believe "spring steel" usually refers to a specific alloy, although alot of other steels can be made "springy" depending on the heat treatment.

[razmuz]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think all Mauser's had spring steel extractors even those made toward the end of the war.  Winchester also used spring still until 1964.  Winchester is currently making a good rifle even though their getting away with not going back to the spring steel extractors.  I really don't know much about this subject, I only read about it in "Rifle" magazine.