Author Topic: Remington or Winchester? (Read 2750 times)

147 Grain · « **Reply #30 on:** May 25, 2005, 11:07:41 AM »

Am considering a new Winchester Model 70 Super Shadow in 30-06 for my son. The above model fits him very well and comes in a package deal at Walmart for only $398.

Walmart's Model 70 Super Shadow: nice composite stock, 22" barrel, sling, Simmons 3-9X40 scope, and Allen gun case.

Vern Humphrey · « **Reply #31 on:** May 25, 2005, 11:54:05 AM »

The Remington safety problem has turned me off Remingtons. A safety SHOULD lock the bolt handle down -- otherwise, you're likely to inadvertantly get it slightly raised when maneuvering through the brush. When that happens, you'll suffer the embarassment of a CLICK! when you have that 5X5 elk under your crosshairs.

A safety should also allow you to load and unload without going hot. Winchester safties work this way, as do Ruger MK IIs and now Kimbers. Why Remington didn't "fix" their safety problem with a 3-position safety, I'll never know.

hunt127588 · « **Reply #32 on:** May 25, 2005, 12:12:21 PM »

The older Remingtons did lock the bolt handle down similar to Browning A-Bolts of today...This posed the issue of going "hot" to unload. However, Remington's safety of today allows for an unload while still on safe. I have both a Winchester Model 70 and a Rem. 700. The Rem. 700 just plain feels right to me while I have never quite fully warmed up to my Winchester....It's just personal preference but I have to be comfortable with my firearm in the field. That comfort comes in the form of Remington for me.

Quote from: Vern Humphrey

The Remington safety problem has turned me off Remingtons. A safety SHOULD lock the bolt handle down -- otherwise, you're likely to inadvertantly get it slightly raised when maneuvering through the brush. When that happens, you'll suffer the embarassment of a CLICK! when you have that 5X5 elk under your crosshairs.

A safety should also allow you to load and unload without going hot. Winchester safties work this way, as do Ruger MK IIs and now Kimbers. Why Remington didn't "fix" their safety problem with a 3-position safety, I'll never know.

Vern Humphrey · « **Reply #33 on:** May 25, 2005, 12:22:26 PM »

You can get an aftermarket 3-position safety for a Remington. If I had a Remington, that's the way I'd go. Why Remington didn't go that way when they "fixed" the safety is a mystery.

tuck2 · « **Reply #34 on:** May 26, 2005, 06:52:28 PM »

I have two Remington rifles ,both shoots under one inch groups after glass bedding the action, free floating the barrel, having the the bolt locking lugs lapped and adjusting the trigger pull down to a 2 3/4 pound pull. If you like to work on fire arms get a Remington.

texagun · « **Reply #35 on:** May 28, 2005, 03:58:17 AM »

I have been reading the Remington bashing for a long time. I have owned a 700 BDL in .270 for 15 years now and it has been an excellent gun. I have been very happy with it and have never had any problems whatsoever with it. I wanted to get another rifle in .223 and was hesitant about the Remys because of the criticism you see on the net, but went ahead and ordered another 700 BDL on the condition that I could return it if I was not pleased with it. When it came in, I was very pleased with it. The fit and finish and the quality of the metalwork and blueing was all excellent. The action was smooth as glass right out of the box. The trigger was a little heavy for my preference, but after a 10 minute adjustment, and performing the required safety checks afterwards, it now breaks cleanly at about 3 1/2-4 lbs and is perfect for my use. I mounted a Leupold 3-9X40 scope on it and couldn't be happier with it. Both of my 700 BDL's will shoot 1 MOA, out of the box, with Remington Express factory ammo. As for looks, I am an old guy and still prefer the beauty of wood stocks over the plastic stuff. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

jakes10mm · « **Reply #36 on:** June 08, 2005, 06:34:40 AM »

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If those are your 2 choices I would recomend the Remington over the other one, look at the rifles that the police use they are rem,

Now there's an open can of worms. With that logic, we should sell all our Kimber, Colt, S&W, Sig, H&K, Ruger, & Etc handguns and buy either Glocks (police) or Beretta M9s (military). As previously mentioned, I have not owned any Remington rifles, but they are my shotguns of choice. I have mainly had Winchesters and Rugers, which have proven to be good rifles. Looking at what one "profession" uses does not necessarily tell you much about individual preference of those professionals. Just as Glock wheeled-n-dealed its way to become the leader of police handgun sales, the same could be very true for Remmy in rifles.

Nothing against Remington...Monday I was looking over a 700 Mountain rifle in 7mm-08 that I'm considering purchasing. If the police officers were permitted to choose their own rifle from the marketplace without restrictions, then I'd agree with your conclusion about favored rifle brands.

Lawdog · « **Reply #37 on:** June 08, 2005, 09:35:35 AM »

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look at the rifles that the police use they are rem, ask most custom gun makers which action is the best and most used it will be a Remington over the other one

Not all police department snipers use Remington rifles. I know many S.W.A.T. snipers that use rifles other than Remington. Second the ones that do use Remington rifles use customized rifles that only bare a resemblance to those you can purchase. Lastly the real reasons for many so called custom rifles are made using Remington actions is COST. Remington actions normally cost less, are easier to get and there are tons of low cost after market parts available for them. Its not that they are the best action to base a custom rifle on. In fact your really high dollar custom rifles usually are made with Mauser type actions(civilian or military) of one kind or another(Model 70 actions being highly preferred). Lawdog

TexasNimrod · « **Reply #38 on:** June 08, 2005, 12:44:42 PM »

Since your considering wallyworld stock models, why not consider the weatherby Vanguard Model. These Vanguards come with the Weatherby 1 1/2" guarantee for accuracy. Spend less on the rifle and more on the scope.

tanoose · « **Reply #39 on:** June 13, 2005, 10:50:49 AM »

Van if your looking for walnut take a long look at the remington 700 CDL in 30/06 with a 24" barrel Priced at $565.00 at wal-mart

S.B. · « **Reply #40 on:** July 23, 2005, 06:32:52 PM »

Remington=made in America. Winchester=made in Japan. I'm talking made in todays world. Are all your buddies and family working steady?

texagun · « **Reply #41 on:** July 24, 2005, 02:14:26 AM »

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Remington=made in America. Winchester=made in Japan. I'm talking made in todays world. Are all your buddies and family working steady?

Since when have Winchester rifles been made in Japan? I thought they were still being made in the original old factory in the Northeastern United States. The Winchester Model 70 Classic Featherweight I just bought says "Made in USA" on it. Last I heard, Americans were still making them.

Ramrod · « **Reply #42 on:** July 24, 2005, 03:03:47 AM »

The model 70, the 94 lever actions, and the model 1300 pump shotgun are all made in the U.S. Here is a little note that came tucked in the box of the last model 70 I bought earlier this year.

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Congratulations, you've just bought a very fine Winchester gun.
You'll be pleased with the quality built into it.
Every effort has been made in our manufacturing process to give
you the extra value derived from more-than-100 years of
experience in making fine WINCHESTER hunting guns in the
same New Haven, Connecticut, USA Plant. In packing this new
Winchester gun, I have looked it over carefully and made sure that
all instruction materials, accessories, and literature are included.
Good hunting!

---------------------------------------------------------------------- --------
Kevin Howard

And on the box was the I.A.M. (machinist union) logo.

beemanbeme · « **Reply #43 on:** July 24, 2005, 03:08:40 AM »

Well, I have two safes full of Remingtons and with all the different ones I have and all the hunting and shooting I have done for a whole lot of years, you would think that at least one or more of the problems that the Rem bashers are screaming about would have happened to me. I am sorry to report that they haven't. Each one has operated flawlessly and is accurate way beyond any needs I have. I have never has a mis-fire but then I am aware that a safety is an aid not an excuse, also I know quite a bit about safe gun handling. I have never had the bolt lift while traversing brush but then, if one is HUNTING, why would one have his rifle hanging around his neck on a strap?
Some folks can't speak to the advantages of their equipment but rather have to trash out the other fellow's pup so to speak. And some poor fools can only parrot what they have by way of hearsay. They hope it makes them appear knowledgeable.
I am not endorsing you buy anything. I am just trying to tell you my experiences. And they are my experiences. Not a bunch of idle hearsay or shrill yipping by someone that in all probability hasn't owned a Remington.

jro45 · « **Reply #44 on:** July 24, 2005, 03:48:18 AM »

I own alot of Remington rifles, 700 action and I have never had any of those problems that Lawdog says is wrong with the Great Remington rifles.
I know he is one man and thats his opion. Yes, the gun dealer I deal with would let me take apart a new rem I wanted to buy, no problem.

S.B. · « **Reply #45 on:** July 24, 2005, 03:49:30 AM »

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Remington=made in America. Winchester=made in Japan. I'm talking made in todays world. Are all your buddies and family working steady?

Since when have Winchester rifles been made in Japan? I thought they were still being made in the original old factory in the Northeastern United States. The Winchester Model 70 Classic Featherweight I just bought says "Made in USA" on it. Last I heard, Americans were still making them.

My mistake, the last Winchester I bought was a 20ga. 101, and the made in Japan turn me off on Winchesters. I wrongly thought they were all made over seas? I stand corrected.

Slamfire · « **Reply #46 on:** July 24, 2005, 03:54:18 AM »

Quote from: Lawdog

Preston,

Do yourself a BIG favor and forget Remington. I can give you SIX good reasons why NOT to buy NEW Remington rifles,

1.] hideous safety

2.] flimsy extractors

3.] brazed on bolt handle

4.] declining quality control

5.] non existent customer service

6.] a trigger group made from stamped metal

Go with the Winchester unless you want an out of the box accurate rifle then got with a Savage if the price is of any concern. If not, then look at Sako/Tikka or Weatherby/Vanguard. Lawdog

Just a couple of items not that they make the rifles any better. The bolt handles aren't really brazed, they use a copper alloy washer and heat the assembly with an induction coil.
The trigger group isn't stamped it is scintered, that's one of Remington's major sideline businesses.
As for the extractor, I have pulled the head off a case with one of them little circlips, I don't know what else you could ask for.

poncaguy · « **Reply #47 on:** July 24, 2005, 06:41:10 AM »

I have owned Remingtons in the past, 600 308, which I was very stupid to get rid of, very accurate 700 BDL 270 and 2 788's, one in 6mm and one in 22-250. I got rid of the 788's when the bolt handle broke off the 22-250.Also had a package Savage 270 which I gave to my grandson, good rifle.
I now own a Winchester Super Shadow 270 WSM, great rifle and cartridge, 2 Ruger 77's, 22-250 and 260 Rem. 2 Stevens 200's, 7mm-08 and 25-06. All are very good rifles.
I would buy Remington again, probably the Model 7............

Rod B · « **Reply #48 on:** July 24, 2005, 06:48:12 AM »

I have two Remington 700s. One is a BDL in 30/06, the other a VLS in .223 Rem.

I have not had a problem with either one & they both will shoot under 1" at 100yds.

In fairness both of these rifles were purchased about eight years ago so I can't comment on recent Remington products. Hope their quality is still good.

Rod. :wink:

Rem725 · « **Reply #49 on:** July 24, 2005, 08:51:47 PM »

You guys are just about to talk me out of my 52 year old Remington 721 that has never even burped after dinner and keeps me warm at night and all that.

My 721 was a 30-06, but I had it rebarreled to 280 and fitted a Remington "Classic" stock and 700 hinged floorplate. The barrel is a Donnely match grade fitted by the late Larry Brace. Superb work. Superb rifle.

I have also two model 70's that are even a couple years older. A 308FW and a 270Std.

I can agree slightly to one point about control feed being less likely to jam up when biting game is rushing. Also I have experienced freezing water inside and stopping the Remington trigger mechanism

John R. · « **Reply #50 on:** July 26, 2005, 03:32:53 AM »

I have to disagree with all the Remington bashing. I own four of them and they all shoot under an inch. I shot a one and 1/16th group @ 300 yds the other day with my 25-06 Sendero and did it with Bal Tips and Partitions. (yes I said 300 yds.) I took all of them out of the safe and could NOT make the safety malfunction no matter how I turned the guns. Most of my shooting buddies also shoot Remington's with none of the problems mentioned. As far as the trigger goes it takes five minutes to adjust. Its pretty dusty here in Miss. and I have never had the bolt lock up. I bought a brand new 7mmSAUM last month and the first reloads through it went 3/4" @ 100 yds. I can't comment on the customer service part of the thread mainly because I have never had to call them. As a side note David Tubb shot a box stock Remington and won a highpower championship with it. Of course he's a pretty good shot. :grin: