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Offline two slow

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« on: April 02, 2005, 12:02:19 PM »
I'm wanting to get into 500 to 1000 yard target shooting.
I'm looking at a Savage 112BVSS in 30 06.
Do you think this would be a good one for this?
Also which scope would you all recommend?
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« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2005, 06:10:32 PM »
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I'm wanting to get into 500 to 1000 yard target shooting."

Are you talking formal long range High Power competion shooting or informal go out with your buddies and set up milk jugs type of "target shooting"?

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« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2005, 10:35:39 PM »
Informal shooting. I wouldn't use milk jugs though.
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« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2005, 12:33:45 AM »
For shooting at those ranges the 30-06  will work. I don't know the accuracy of your rifle though, so you would be best to make that decision.

As far as a scope, you will need good magnification and most of all a lot of MOA adjustment. I know the Leupold MarkIV has a lot of adjustment. That is what other use on the 50 BMG for long range shooting. I think night force, ATN and others make long range scopes.  :D
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« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2005, 04:28:53 AM »
While I'm hardly an authority on these matters; I believe highpower rifle competition used to be all .30-06.  When they began using .308 Winchester, it began breaking all the '06 records.  .30-06 is a fine cartridge, and I'm not trying to change your mind.  Just wanted to point out that among serious, highpower competitors, the .308 is preferred over the .06.  

That brings up a question:  Is there something more accurate about a shorter powder column?  Or does it have to do with a shorter, stiffer action?  Or are neither significant?  

I think it was a recent Rifle Shooter magazine that had an article on cartridge "efficiency".  They related a bullet's kinetic energy for a given cartridge to the amount of powder used to achieve it.  The .308 Win scored very high in efficiency.  Increasing case capacity and adding more powder will increase kinetic energy, but there are diminishing returns.  Doubling the powder doesn't double the bullets energy, so magnums aren't as "efficient".  Of course, efficiency is just one measure of a bullets performance.
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« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2005, 04:43:30 AM »
The Savage 112BVSS in 30 06 will do quite nicely for that purpose.  As mentioned you will need a good (the scope w/mounts will equal or exceed the cost of the rifle) target/varmint scope with repeatable adjustments.  The Leupolds 6x20 Target would be bottem end and there are several excellent choices going up in $s from there.  You'll need a scope with a minimum of 45 MOA vertical adjustment and that's if you zero at 200 yards 2-3 MOA up from bottom.  A solid one piece base can be shimmed for appropriate cant to accomplish this.  There are bases made for this specifically (Brownell's catalogue) but I'm not sure they're made for the Savage.  Even the Leupold MK IV will run out of elevation if the zero is not in the bottom half of the vertical adjustment range.

The '06 cartridge is excellent for long range work with 175 gr MKs at 2650 - 2700 fps (Varget powder works extremely well). They stay sonic to 1200-1400 yards depending on conditions.  Also the recoil won't beat you up as bad as the magnums (or heavier '06 loads) and of course barrel life will be much better with the '06.  Will be a good choice, let us know what you get and how it shoots.

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« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2005, 11:55:38 AM »
I don`t know how much you want to spend but if your just wanting to try it LMG gave you some good advice on how to get started at a reasonable price. As for scope I only use Leupolds. They are the best on the market for the money in my oppenion. There are some that are better, but I can`t afford them. At present I have 30 some Leupolds, bought my first one in 1968 and over the years have went to all Leupolds. I would suggest a Leupold 36X target scope for what you want.
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« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2005, 12:12:00 PM »
Quote from: two slow
I'm wanting to get into 500 to 1000 yard target shooting.
I'm looking at a Savage 112BVSS in 30 06.
Do you think this would be a good one for this?
Also which scope would you all recommend?


I believe your choice of the Savage is a excellent one.  Top it with a Burris 8x-32x-50mm Black Diamond scope with a Ballistic MilDot reticle for a great long range set up.  Lawdog
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« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2005, 03:10:09 PM »
I got the savage. I'll get out and shoot it saturday hopefully.
I scimped a little on the scope. I got a nikon buckmaster 6-18x40 SF.
I know I will need a better scope when I get skilled enough, but for now this will be fine.
I plan on loading hornady 155g a-max and lapua scenar 155g with vargets and imr 4350.
This should be a good setup to start
with, I hope.
Thanks for all the advice. I will look into everything and let you all know how it goes saturday.
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« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2005, 03:54:13 PM »
When it comes to scope selection, and you ask a question like that in this forum, with as many people whiling to chime in on the subject (including me) it could get wild. Just remember Paul Simmon’s words. “One man’s ceiling is another man’s floor”. :lol:
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« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2005, 05:18:41 PM »
Two Slo,

I highly suggest you go with the .308. Yes the '06 will do anything it will do but there is already tons of long range load /trajectory data out there for  .308 match ammo. Plus you can get long range match grade target ammo for it from several companies (Federal Gold Medal 168 BTHP match, Black hills, Remington...etc) This is the round that has been king at the long range matches until recently

Good choice on the rifle  by the way. I'm sure you will be very happy with it.
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« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2005, 06:47:39 PM »
I would go with the 308 as well, but since Savage doesnt offer that round in the 112BVSS I would go with either the30-06 or the 300 win mag.You wont have to worry about the recoil if you go with the 300 win mag either because the rifle weighs a little over 10Lbs...
 I have that rifle in 25-06 and let me tell you, you will not be disappointed. The accuracy out of the box is incredible.... :D
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« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2005, 10:39:39 AM »
DirtyHarry,

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I would go with the 308 as well, but since Savage doesnt offer that round in the 112BVSS


No but Savage does offer the .308 in the 12BVSS which is the short action version of the 112BVSS.  Lawdog
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« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2005, 04:00:10 PM »
Now that you have the gun, you have to consider mounting the scope so that you have elevation adjustment available to 1000 yds.  
There are bases sold that have 20 MOA adjustment in them which adds to the scope adjustment.  If you don't get the adjustable base then you can do it with burris shims.  Basically what you want to do is set the scope at the minimum elevation and then get some burris scope shims and shim it until you have it zeroed at something like 200-300 yds.  This then give you the entire elevation range to use to adjust out to 1000yds.  You will need a front and a rear shim in order to avoid torquing the scope.  This will probably involve taking off and putting back on the scope three or four times in order to get the correct shim on the scope.  Playing at 1000 yds is a lot of work to get set up.  make sure you get the crosshairs exactly vertical.  I assume you got target turrets, if not  then get back in your truck and go get them.

Start out with the 150 grain stuff  its good for 300-400yds.  At 1000 you have to have BC's as high as you can get .  You will need 180 and above match bullets to fight the wind.  Muzzle velocity is pretty meaningless, it is all about terminal velocity.
Get prepared to shoot 200 rounds just to find the load that will deliver extreme accuracy at range.  100 yds groups may not reflect 300 yard groups because some of the long bullets do not stabalize until about 200+yards
Get prepared to adjust the trigger
Get prepared to bed your action.
Get prepared to have the bolt face trued and the lugs lapped.
Get prepared to clean the barrel till you die of chemical inhalation

In all sincerity, you have a lot of fun ahead of you to achieve a level of excellence that  very few will work hard enough at to succeed.

Best of luck.
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« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2005, 07:36:29 AM »
:yeah:  :yeah:  :yeah: Good postin!
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« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2005, 02:15:12 PM »
You've got your gear.  I would go with a heavier bullet myself but I ain't the one shooting.  And I think you're kinda correct to try to ease into the sport.  Only when you're sure that you would like to get serious about long range shooting and have max'ed out using the equipment you have, should you consider getting into some sort of arms race to see just how much money you can spend on "stuff".  More money ain't gonna make you a better shooter.  For that you need practice, practice, practice.

Beer cans make excellent shims.  I think a fellow over in benchrest central posted actual numbers for scope movement at 1000 yards using shims made from beer cans.  
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