Author Topic: Remington vs Savage (Read 2842 times)

bikered · « **on:** March 22, 2005, 05:04:57 PM »

Gents,
I was looking at one of the new Remington VSF in .223 for coyotes here in WA. Does anyone have any comparisons to the Savage Varmint rigle? Thanks, ED

trotterlg · « **Reply #1 on:** March 24, 2005, 06:12:18 PM »

Most likely the Savage will be more accurate out of the box. Every rifle is different, but the Savages have a good reputation and will save you a couple of bucks. Larry

bikered · « **Reply #2 on:** March 24, 2005, 06:18:55 PM »

I was looking at a Remington 700 VLS .223 for around $500 after rebate. Sounds like a good price and the ammo is cheap. The Savage is supposed to shoot better out-of-the-box ( I have a .308; McMillan stock and Leupold VX-II 6-18X) II DOES DRIVE NAILS.
Ed

varmit_master · « **Reply #3 on:** March 26, 2005, 12:03:32 AM »

hI i would go with the Remington if you got down to it you could part the Remington out for more money than the Savage because gunsmith's are always looking for a Remington action i had a VSSF in a 22 250 and it was a shooter i sold it because my wife said it was to heavy for her to carry man i wish i still had that gun VM

Lawdog · « **Reply #4 on:** March 26, 2005, 01:06:50 PM »

bikered,

Go with the Savage and don't worry about any so called "re-sale value". You most likely won't be getting rid of it anyway. Besides that I haven't seen any Savages on the consignment rack but plenty of Remington's locally although they have been selling plenty of Savages. Lawdog

varmit_master · « **Reply #5 on:** March 29, 2005, 02:47:49 AM »

Hi i would go with the Remington Rifle you will like it VM

bikered · « **Reply #6 on:** March 29, 2005, 05:31:37 AM »

Lawdog/VM:
I looked at both this week. Cosmetically, the Remington 'looks' better. However, the Savage was recommended as being the better 'shooter'. Also, the Accu-Trigger was pretty nice. The 'space-age-polymer' stock on the Savage was not too impressive. I figure if it (plastic stock) were dinged against a rock or my truck, it would not be as painful as a piece of fine walnut? ED

Lawdog · « **Reply #7 on:** March 30, 2005, 09:17:27 AM »

Quote from: bikered

Lawdog/VM:
I looked at both this week. Cosmetically, the Remington 'looks' better. However, the Savage was recommended as being the better 'shooter'. Also, the Accu-Trigger was pretty nice. The 'space-age-polymer' stock on the Savage was not too impressive. I figure if it (plastic stock) were dinged against a rock or my truck, it would not be as painful as a piece of fine walnut? ED

I won't comment on those "toy"(plastic) stocks. Don't like them and won't own one. Had one and never again. I can barely stand a laminated one. Lawdog

SLAVAGE · « **Reply #8 on:** March 30, 2005, 10:11:07 AM »

i tell you the savages are very nice shooters we sell them about 5 to 1 over remingtons i used to have a 7mm mag too much for a skinny kid like me but i still have a 22 an my friends have them in 06 an 300 wsm an they love them now especialy with the acutrigger you cant beat it for the $$

bikered · « **Reply #9 on:** March 30, 2005, 12:43:06 PM »

Gents,
I've been drifting toward the Savage. However, probably the first upgrade that I would install is another stock. Any suggestions with regard to a quality stock upgrad? Ed

farmuse · « **Reply #10 on:** March 31, 2005, 02:00:42 AM »

I own both Remington and Savage, but they are two different rifles doing different things so I really shouldn't compare one to another. My Remington was the first "real" rifle I bought (years ago) and I am pleased with it, but I am hearing that some of the quality has dropped in the Remingtons in the last few years. Again this is just what I am hearing, I do not have any experience with a new Remington. My Savage is a new heavy varmint rig with the accutrigger. I love it. It clearly shoots better than I do and I don't think it looks to bad either. If I could do it again though, I would have bought a more basic Savage and upgraded the stock and such later. I found a great site for Savage owners and it has plenty of info on "how to" and "where to" for anyone interested in changing things around. http://www.savageshooters.com/index.html I think you will find all the answers you need or at least some more biased opinion.

In my opinion, if you want a "shooter" out of the box, and would like to save a little money, go with the Savage.

my two cents,
farmuse

varmit_master · « **Reply #11 on:** March 31, 2005, 02:26:25 AM »

Hi i guess i will be the odd one and stick with Remington rifle's the First 22 250 i ever had was a Savage 110 22 250 it shot good but it had a wood stock and it was easy to bang up and i didnt like the long action in the 22 250 i only buy a rifle if it has a black syn stock no woods one my frined has 2 new Savage's one new ML 50cal and a New 300 win mag both has the new trigger i am NOT as Big fan of the triggers i will stick with my Rem. model 700 rifles VM

bikered · « **Reply #12 on:** March 31, 2005, 02:27:22 PM »

VM:
about 25-30 years ago, I had a Rem 700, .22-250 Varminter, topped off with a Unertl BV-20. Groundhogs/woodchucks (New York State) were no challenge at 200-250 yds. I'm still kicking myself for selling that one! ED

DirtyHarry · « **Reply #13 on:** March 31, 2005, 08:36:54 PM »

I am going to go with the savage and this is why. My newest remington is 3 years old and my newest savage was bought last year, up until now I have always been a remington fan but after reading Lawdogs "five reasons not to buy a remington" about a hundred times :lol: 1 of the 5 reasons started to really bother me, the brazed on bolt handle. The more I thought about it the more i despised it. To me it serves no good purpose other than to save a couple bucks for remington. That coupled with the praise Lawdog had been giving to the savages made me stop and take a look at one real close and I ended up with a model 112BVSS in 25-06. Now I cant wait to get my hands on another one...

oso45-70 · « **Reply #14 on:** April 01, 2005, 05:47:38 PM »

Gents

I started my shooting career in 1948 with a mod. 30 super grade in 3006 since that time i have had about every rifle that Remington has put out. I now have a safe full of Remingtons from 17rem up. I have never had one problem with them. I find it hard to belive that one man can have so much trouble with a Remington product. I also never had to send one back to have it worked on. I have friends that have Savage rifles and they don't show me any thing. They will not out shoot any rifle i have.

By the way,,, The only rifle that had a bolt problem was a Savage 7MM mag that a cusomer brought to me to sight in and on the third shot i saw some thing out of the corner of my eye. And lo and behold there layed the bolt handle. It had broke right at the base of the bolt. I calles the Savage people and the girl that answerd the phone said just give me the serial number and i will get you one on the way. I hate to ramble on about this but i think it needs to be said. There are some rifles that i don't like very much but i'm not going to sit here and bash them..........Joe.......

Lawdog · « **Reply #15 on:** April 02, 2005, 08:21:46 AM »

oso45-70,

Quote

I find it hard to belive that one man can have so much trouble with a Remington product.

The real problem is it is NOT one man. I own a number of Remington rifles but all were manufactured BEFORE 1980. It's really sad what Remington has let happen to a once GREAT company. Lawdog

bikered · « **Reply #16 on:** April 03, 2005, 08:03:00 AM »

After reading everyone's replies, and thinking about it, I decided on the Savage. It's a Mod 12 Varmint, stainless/fluted barrel, .223 and will have a Leupold VX-II 6-28X. The trigger is impressive and the laminated stock isn't too bad. Is there any way to 'blue' stainless steel? As a last resort, I suppose there is always camo-tape. ED

poncaguy · « **Reply #17 on:** April 03, 2005, 01:30:13 PM »

Way back when, I had a 788 in 22-250 , was shooting handloads. Had a shell stick in the chamber, gave the bolt a judo chop, and it broke off. Only "bad" Remington" I've ever had. :cry:

Lawdog · « **Reply #18 on:** April 03, 2005, 01:39:44 PM »

Quote from: bikered

After reading everyone's replies, and thinking about it, I decided on the Savage. It's a Mod 12 Varmint, stainless/fluted barrel, .223 and will have a Leupold VX-II 6-28X. The trigger is impressive and the laminated stock isn't too bad. Is there any way to 'blue' stainless steel? As a last resort, I suppose there is always camo-tape. ED

Not that I know of. I have the same problem with my Win. M70 Coyote in .223 WSSM. One of the guys here at Graybeards gave me a web site address where they were supposed to do a "type" of bluing but I had a computer problem and lost the address(along with a bunch of other data - damn spy-ware). So if anyone knows of a process PLEASE post it here for those of us that don't care for all that shine. :noway: Lawdog

MI VHNTR · « **Reply #19 on:** April 03, 2005, 04:04:05 PM »

This isn't bluing for stainless steel, but it works well.
http://www.lauerweaponry.com/
I've used DuraCoat on stainless and blued metal with excellent results. I'm trying to decide what color to use on my new Remington LVSF in 22-250. MI VHNTR

bikered · « **Reply #20 on:** April 20, 2005, 04:51:37 PM »

Gents,
I did get the .223 Varminter and took it out for a spin this afternoon at the range. I was using some Black Hills (blue box) ammo. This is the first time I've used their ammo and I am impressed. I think I broke it in properly (I was told to just shoot it). Five rounds and then clean it. The first 50 rounds gave me 10 cleanings. Then I got tired of cleaning and just shot the second box of 50. I like this rifle. ED

poncaguy · « **Reply #21 on:** April 23, 2005, 11:46:26 AM »

Well, back in the 70's, I had a Remington 788 22-250. Was shooting reloads and had one stick in the chamber, I gave the bolt a "judo chop" and the bolt broke off........ :shock:

IowaBuckHunter · « **Reply #22 on:** May 03, 2005, 12:36:13 PM »

I think that savages look like they were made from recycled beer cans and old pallets. They are soo ugly! And I personally feel that they do not shoot nearly as well as my remingtons. And I DO OWN savages, so I am not being biased. Those accu-triggers are a joke!

poncaguy · « **Reply #23 on:** May 03, 2005, 01:47:19 PM »

Best looking rifles are Ruger 77's! :-D

Buckskin · « **Reply #24 on:** June 13, 2005, 09:35:58 AM »

Lawdog,

I would like to see the 5 reasons to stay away from Remington

Lawdog · « **Reply #25 on:** June 13, 2005, 10:36:13 AM »

Quote from: Buckskin

Lawdog,

I would like to see the 5 reasons to stay away from Remington

No problem. I aim to please. Here are the SIX good reasons why NOT to buy NEW Remington rifles,

1.] hideous safety

2.] flimsy extractors

3.] brazed on bolt handle

4.] declining quality control

5.] non existent customer service

6.] a trigger group made from stamped metal

Lawdog

nomosendero · « **Reply #26 on:** June 13, 2005, 05:10:59 PM »

Lawdog, I would have to agree. I have a few Remingtons that I am fond of, especially a .300 WM. Lam. stock Sendero & a .25-06 Sendero that are extremely accurate. Also, I will probably use a couple more 700 actions for Long Range Rifles that I am planning. But regardless your reasons are valid.
The ones that bother me the most are 4 & 5, partly because I have
experienced these.

But also, I like many others do not understand the strange marketing
decisions that they have pulled off lately. I will not elaborate as I have
done so in the Rem. Section under Rem. needs new Management. This
seemed to bother some & I should expect that I guess since I went into
their camp so to speak on this site. It is just my opinion & I am a simple
man.

Lawdog · « **Reply #27 on:** June 14, 2005, 07:32:42 AM »

nomosendero,

I know many believe that I do is chastise Remington products and that I dont own any. They couldnt be more wrong. I own a number of Remington rifles(M721's, M722's, M725, four M700 BDL's and a M870 Magnum 12 ga. that my wife bought me for a wedding present) that shoot and work great BUT all were made before 1980. My troubles started with the purchase of a M700 BDL in .308 caliber in 1987 which corresponds with Remington changing their manufacturing process in the mid 1980s. This is when all the lawsuits/troubles started for Remington. Before 1987 I recommended to many a cohort/friend/hunter/shooter to purchase Remington products. Just like General Motors, Remingtons record for quality products has gone way down hill. I believe that only a major shakeup in management will stop this downward spiral that Remington has gotten itself into. Its a real shame too as The Big Green used to make products one could count on. Lawdog
:toast:

handirifle · « **Reply #28 on:** June 22, 2005, 11:26:54 AM »

Well it's my turn to chime in. My sons each own a Rem 700 in 30-06, and ADL and BDL and I have a Savage in 30-06, not by coincidence. Theirs' beats the heck out of mine in the looks Dept, for sure, but at the targets, they all look the same. Mine is a very old Savage.

Anyone that has not shot an accu-trigger and says they are a joke is not speaking fact, just uneducated opinion. They are "hands down" the best "factory trigger" on the market. Maybe if one wants to spend a few hundred extra and get a target trigger it might break a bit better. If you do, then try this. Cock the gun, take the safety "off" then drop it on the buttstock from 10 feet up. Make sure you don't load it cause you might not be around to tell about it.

If that trigger is an accu-trigger, you will. They are that safe. That was how the company president tested it (although I doubt loaded), but he did drop it from a forklift, 10 ft up. All that and it can still be set at 1 1/2 lbs pull and be just as safe.

Doesn't sound like much of a joke to me. I don't trust my son's Rem's too much either on the safety issue. That 2 position safety is not a good idea when you have to chamber every round to unload the rifle. Rem will convert them for free, but only cause they were sued over it.

Not knocking the rem, cause like was stated earlier, most smiths use them for custom guns, although I'm not sure why but I am not a gunsmith either. To me, when you can reliably chamber and safely and accurately fire a rifle, then it's a good one, no matter the brand.

Norseman112 · « **Reply #29 on:** June 22, 2005, 03:13:08 PM »

Savage would be my pick. I have one and its a shooter. Seems like alot of guys at the range like them to

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Norse