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Offline zeussau

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which 223?
« on: March 22, 2005, 03:14:26 AM »
Hi guys,great source of real information on guns you have here!
i am going to buy a bolt action in.223 caliber but can't decide which brand.
i have a tikka t3 hunter,a savage,a brno which each have their good/bad points
tikka-great trigger and action,plain jane stock
savage-very accurate,terrible trigger,very poor stock
brno-lots of character,strong action(mauser ie feels a bit agricultural,and                   probably would still fire if you dug a hole with it first!!!)    
now for my dilemma..........i really want a synthetic/stainless combo purely for the reason that i won't fret about knocking it in the bush like my wood stocked guns
the only synthetic stock i like is the weatherby fiberguard,the others in the above brands all feel cheap and nasty,sweaty to touch,flex a lot,etc
do the cheaper synthetic stocks have any effect on accuracy(shot with a sling hold,off a bipod,rested on a car roof,freehand etc)
any advice or recommendations.........what are the weatherbys like(i really like the tikka action,no better synthetic replacement stocks available though)
apart from the feel, am i likely to notice any accuracy difference between a cheap plastic stock and say the fiberguard??
all info greatly appreciated
paul
western australia
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Offline mitchell

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« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2005, 04:10:26 AM »
well if you really have to have the weatherby stock them you just better get a weatherby.but if you don't want to spend $1500 i would just get a savage . they have some accurate guns and some nice stocks . for example http://www.savagearms.com/10fp.htm or if you want a real good stock you can always buy a McMillan. if i had to have the best synthetic stock the McMillan would be it and you can get them for most name brand rifles rem 700 win 70 savage 10.  but again if you really want the weatherby stock then you going to have to get the weatherby.

as for an accuracy difference between a cheap plastic stock and say the fiberguard , i don't think it would be noticeable so long as the barrel is free floating and the action is bedded you shouldn't see a difference.

i'm not a big fan of weatherby , i think its showing, if i where you i would just get a accurate bolt action 223 , be it a remmy 700 savage fp whatever , then i would buy the Mcmillan. thats the way i would go .
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« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2005, 08:21:27 AM »
I like my CZ 527 American. Although it is not a synthetic stock, it is a hunting tool and I accept the hazards of hauling it around to hunt.
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« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2005, 08:59:56 AM »
My Tikka t-3 Lite(blued/synthetic), in .223 Rem., is sub MOA accurate, and given
I have a Savage 16 (ss/syn), in .22-250 Rem, I can say that I would take the
Tikka synthetic stock over the Savage, anyday.  My Savage stock was so rough,
I took my detail sander to it, and sanded it to where it at least feels decent.  
Neither stock has enough flex to cause accuracy issues, by my experience.
I do have a fiber synthetic stock on my Howa, and it does feel, a bit stiffer,
but I see no difference in accuracy.  The Howa is a 300 WSM, and it puts
168 gr. TSX bullets into .6 MOA groups.  Both the .223 Rem Tikka, and the
.22-250 Rem. Savage get into the .3 to .4 MOA range, with several different
bullet/load combos.  I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  I prefer
synthetic stocks, and if they do not effect accuracy, the cheaper, and uglier,
the better.  This way I can treat them like tools rather than jewelry :).

So, the short answer is, I see no difference in accuracy between "cheap"
flexible synthetic stocks, and more rigid fiber stocks, in the rifles I own/shoot.

Squeeze
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Offline Zachary

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« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2005, 01:08:21 PM »
Take a look at the Remingtons.  I know that they offer a few stainless synthetic models in the .223.

Zachary
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« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2005, 05:33:22 PM »
I'll back SQUEEZE up on his opinion of the Tikka T3.  I love mine, and it's way under MOA, and I haven't done a thing to it, except slap a Nikon on it.  I don't know anyone who isn't getting great accuracy from their T3's.
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« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2005, 01:50:32 AM »
Remington Model 7 20" barrel.
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« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2005, 12:52:59 PM »
Quote from: TomD
I like my CZ 527 American. Although it is not a synthetic stock, it is a hunting tool and I accept the hazards of hauling it around to hunt.

Me too! THE CZ ROCKS
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« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2005, 02:15:20 PM »
Zeussau;

I'm frankly surprised that you got a plain-Jane stock on your wood Tikka.  Most, including me, will make very favorable comments concerning wood Tikka stocks.

However, back to the subject at hand.  I've put my Winchester new model 70classic in a McMillan stock.  I think it's an excellent unit.  And, it has delivered for me on game shots at extended ranges.  As far as I'm concerned it has helped this gun deliver outstanding accuracty.  

Can't speak to how it would feel to you, but it's fine  by me.

900F
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t3 it is
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2005, 08:46:39 AM »
hi guys,
thanks for the input,just thought i'd let you know that i went with the tikka t3 lite in stainless,have just received my zeiss conquest 3-9x40 and can't wait to mount it and shoot it
cheers,paul
western australia
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« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2005, 07:46:03 AM »
Paul,

When you get a few dozen rounds down the tube, give us a range report.  Most of
my rifles need about 20 rounds of strictly break in(shoot 1 clean) and then a
few shoot one three shot group, and clean, cycles before the rifles starts to settle in to a
groove.  But you'll notice it when it happens.  Let us know when, or if, this rifle starts
to impress you.  Somewhere around the second box of Winchester factory ammo,
shot through my Tikka M695, 25-06 Rem., I got a huge smile.  The newer T-3, in .223 Rem,
is making my face hurt from grinning...And my wife is beginning to suspect
another woman, since I fondle this new T-3 so much, she is feeling ignored.
 :-D

I am already plotting my next Tikka purchase!

Squeeze
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.223
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2005, 07:31:50 PM »
cant go wrong with the tikka, but my fav all time gun is a early ruger 77 all weather stainless with the inserted stock. sucker shoots same hot or cold, dirty or clean and same basic poa with many diff loads and wuld be my choice if i had to give up all but 1 single gun in my collection.
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« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2005, 03:53:15 PM »
Quote from: TomD
I like my CZ 527 American. Although it is not a synthetic stock, it is a hunting tool and I accept the hazards of hauling it around to hunt.
----------------Tom: Do they make a magazine that fits flush? I do not like the looks of the magazine hanging down.--Thanks--vernonp
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.223 report
« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2005, 12:54:08 PM »
hi guys,
as requested a report on the first 20 rounds thru the tikka t3 lite.......used 3 types of factory ammo
winchester 55gn soft point
winchester 64gn soft point
remington  55gn accutip
...........now i know this will suprise a lot of you,but.......it shoots really well!!!,less than 1" at 100yards,the accutips being the most accurate(2 shots in the same hole and 2 touching at 50yards
i was suprised that the 64gn projectiles were stabilised in this twist barrel
anyhow if this is any indication of cosistent accuracy i am happy,things can only get better in this department
the trigger is very crisp out of the box but i will probably lighten it up,it was over 4lbs when i checked it,deceptive because it let off so crisply
got to test it out shooting local game for the pot,chest shot at 235yards(rangefinder) took out the spine with one of the 55gn winchesters......gotta be happy with that(unless you're the game of course......oh well can't win them all!!)
thanks for the input
paul
australia
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« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2005, 12:56:12 PM »
hi guys,
as requested a report on the first 20 rounds thru the tikka t3 lite.......used 3 types of factory ammo
winchester 55gn soft point
winchester 64gn soft point
remington  55gn accutip
...........now i know this will suprise a lot of you,but.......it shoots really well!!!,less than 1" at 100yards,the accutips being the most accurate(2 shots in the same hole and 2 touching at 50yards
i was suprised that the 64gn projectiles were stabilised in this twist barrel
anyhow if this is any indication of cosistent accuracy i am happy,things can only get better in this department
the trigger is very crisp out of the box but i will probably lighten it up,it was over 4lbs when i checked it,deceptive because it let off so crisply
got to test it out shooting local game for the pot,chest shot at 235yards(rangefinder) took out the spine with one of the 55gn winchesters......gotta be happy with that(unless you're the game of course......oh well can't win them all!!)
thanks for the input
paul
australia
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Go with CZ!
« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2005, 06:30:36 PM »
:D  I'm another CZ fan. I'd go with the CZ 527 American, or the varmit model. Accurate as heck and just plain nice. To me, the magazine hanging down gives the rifle character. Before I bought mine I was one of those who said I'd never have a rifle with the magazine hanging down like that. Well, after I bought mine the magazine hanging down grew on me and I like it now. If it just gets your undies in a bunch, there is a fellow who modifies the magazine. Think the modified one holds two rounds and that is it, but then, you can only shoot one round at a time anyway! Tom Purdom
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