Ok with some of the 7,62x25 ammo being machine pistol ammo and its being too hot for the military surplus pistols is some of the surplus 9mm the sameway too?? I shot my Astra 600/43 in 9mm with surplus ammo a while back and i think it barked more than it should of?? I've shot my CZ85B in 9mm with wolf ammo and it was a pussycat to shoot when i compared it to the Astra with surplus ammo there not the same kick? I'm wondering if some of the surplus 9mm is machine pistol ammo too. Waht do you think is some of this older 9mm parabellum/luger machine pistol ammo? Could it be because it seems to be so much hotter? BigBill