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Need help with Remington 1100 please
« on: February 09, 2003, 03:15:20 PM »
Just recently got an 1100, and also bought a 3'' chamber barrel to get ready for turkey hunting.  I took it up today to compare patterns...three shells through the 2&3/4 barrel with different chokes, then I changed barrels to the 3 inch. I put three shells through it, and switched back to the 2&3/4 barrel, loaded it up and NOTHING.  Trigger dosent go click, no boom, nada.  Safety seems to work fine, it just seems like it isnt cocking the firing mechanism.  Can anybody coach me through troubleshooting this?  I sure would appreciate it.
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« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2003, 02:10:35 PM »
You might try taking the trigger mechanism out and check to see if your internal hammer is stuck or broken. I'm not sure if an 1100 that is made for 2 3/4" shells can handle 3". I always thought it would be like the 870's.
One for 2 3/4" and the magnum for 3" shells. Just my 2cents.
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« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2003, 05:29:33 PM »
Does the action cycle, the bolt reciprocate?  Remove the 2 push pins holding the fire control mechanism in place and remove the fire control mechanism.  The hammer is obvious.  Does it move back and forth?  Grasp the fire control mechanism in the left hand with the top in your palm and the thumb to the rear.  Move the safety to the fire position and, holding the hammer to the rear with the thumb of the left hand, pull the trigger with the right index finger.  The hammer should rotate forward and it should be possible to rotate it to the rear and the sear capture it(hold it locked to the rear).  Grasped correctly the disconnector will be depressed by the left hand..  Do these simple tests and let us know the results...   There is an excellant parts diagram here  http://www.urban-armory.com/diagrams/rem1100.htm
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Thanks Guys, I found the problem...
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2003, 05:37:32 PM »
I opened it up and couldnt beleive it, jambed up with cardboard.  Havent a clue where it could have come from.  Probably why I got it so cheap, I bet it was misfiring for the guy that owned it before.  
  That's the good news, but I also found out that the 3" Mag barrel I bought for it wont work. Oh well, back to the drawing board.
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« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2003, 05:27:47 AM »
Probably packaging material..  Always wondered...  why won't the 3" barrels work on the 2 3/4 receiver..  Won't fit on the receiver?  Bolt won't work??  They make and market barrels for steel shot that are chambered for the 3" shell but won't come out and say 3" lead ammo is OK...  Parts appear to be identical for both the 12 and the 12 magnum..  Of course Remington says 'no'.
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GunNut69...the ejection port is shorter, it will go in, but
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2003, 06:25:03 AM »
It wont fit out the ejection port after firing.  I havent tried one, but the receiver is obviously very tight, 2&3/4's just barely clear the port.  The 3'' mag barrel fits on there wonderfully, and cycles 2&3/4 Mag shells, and they are loaded pretty hot, so I beleive the gun is STRONG ENOUGH for 3's, but still a NO-GO.  I have some Premium Turkey loads that hold 1&5/8's shot and kick like a mule, I bet they would do most of what the 2 ounce 3" mags will do.  Maybe even more....you have to remember...3" shells usually use a slower powder as well, so it stands to reason that the shorter shells (less shot weight) might even get out there a little further, they would have a little less density in the shot pattern though.
  Next thing...I need to do a little research before Turkey season, and find out who has the heaviest 2&3/4 Turkey loads.  Meanwhile...I guess I have a trade item for the next gun show.  Maybe a case of that 8 mm Turk ammo.
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« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2003, 09:20:31 AM »
Robert:  The Remington Models 1100 and 870 come in two different sizes - one for the 2 and 3/4 inch shells and one for the 3" shells.  The longer barrels may fit the shorter action but they are not designed to be interchangeable.  I learned this a long time ago from Remington after I had purchased my 2+3/4" 1100 but wanted to try the 3" shells.  This was confirmed for me by a call to Remington after a purchase of a used 870 in 3".  

I have found that with the newer loadings for the shorter 12 guage shell that the 3" doesn't give you that much more.  Every 3" I have fired is a lot of bang and kick with not much more than the 2+3/4 will give you.  Every 2+3/4 I have shot goes right where I want it and isn't that bad to shoot.  

I've had my 1100 since 1970, and do not intend to give it up for another 1/4 inch.  Hope this helps.  Mikey.

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Thanks Mikey, that's exactly what I was thinking.
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2003, 07:31:20 PM »
I am betting my 2&3/4 Mag Turkey loads with 1&5/8 of shot, is coming off the line faster than the 3 inch with 2 oz of shot.  So even though there's slightly less pellets, it would be hitting 40 yds with more punch.
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« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2003, 09:00:26 PM »
I am not so sure...  The 870's only change was the ejector and they now don't even make 2 3/4 inch ejectors.  The parts numbers all point to a single number and that's a 3" ejector.  I have used 3" barrels on 2 3/4 receivers(870) and there are no problems..  In the 1100's parts list I can find no difference between standard and magnum and Cabela's sells an 1100 barrel that's for 2 3/4 and 3" steel loads... for use on standard 1100's!!  When Remington was asked the difference they had no real answer.  The barrel in Cabela's has a note attached that specifically says NOT to use 3" ammo with lead shot.  I just wondered why.....  Oh and yes...  The 'magnum' 1100's cost more when purchased new??
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« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2003, 10:07:05 PM »
Gunnut, I'm curious because I've been shooting 1100's since'75 and it was always a dont do it thing. So cabelas is saying 3" steel is OK to shoot in the 2 3/4" reciever with thier 3" barrell. I really would like to know more before I buy new beretta extrema $800. vs $185 for 3"steel steel.
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« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2003, 09:33:38 AM »
LaDano
I knew the 870's interchanged.  The only difference was the ejector, a part that had been made in 2 3/4 and 3 inch lengths(riveted to the receiver in the 870).  This was changed in the late '70s or early '80s.  There is now a single part number..  If the receiver in question has the 3 inch ejector there is no difference..  The 1100 barrel sold by Cabela's is a Remington!!  After contacting remington and receiving little satisfaction I checked some parts lists..  The 3 inch 1100's have a couple of parts that differ from each other.  The bolt buffer, this retains the firing pin in the bolt, and the 'action bar sleeve'.  This latter is the gas piston and there are differences between the 2 3/4 and 3 inch guns.  The short chamber guns' gas piston has some lightening cuts which are not present on the 3 inch gas piston.  This would add weight to the reciprocating parts and slow bolt velocity and may explain the ban on 3 inch lead shot loads.  The parts are however interchangeable.  The parts list from Brownells does not show seperate 'action bar sleeves' from remington as replacement parts.  The Brownells tech graciously checked the available stock, to which both the 2 3/4 and 3 inch parts lists pointed and they were all of the heavy variation.  The firing pins retainers seem different only in color with the 2 3/4 inch parts being chromed and the 3 inch parts being blued.  This quite probably indicates a differrent tempering process and both parts are interchangeable.  So,,if these are the only changes to the guns why the extra cost??  Good question!!  Remington would not tell me or some others who've asked,  perhaps you'll have better luck.  I won't tell you to shot lead 3 inch ammo in these barrels but I will say that Remington says 3 inch steel is ok in these barrels and the only differences in the guns as far as replacement parts go are 2, neither of which is a critical component.  The action bar sleeve IS a bit lighter in the 2 3/4 inch guns but obviously safe with steel in the 3 inch ammo although it may cause a slight increase in bolt velocity with lead loaded ammo.  This would probably accelerate wear if significant amounts of lead 3 inch ammo were used.  Breaking a bolt buffer may also occur(there is also only 1 of these available as replacement parts).  Should create a catostropic failure, if indeed it fails at all..  So in conclusion, 870's if they have the correct ejector(all will if realtively new, 10-15 years or less) will work just fine with the appropriate barrel for the smmo used.  The 1100's also must have the correct barrel and while there are differences they are minor and will most likely cause mildly accelerated wear when 3 in lead ammo is used.  I would bet money the newest 1100's regardless of the designation, use only 3 inch components..  If any have an 1100 purchased in the past 2-5 years would like to check just email and I'll explain what to look for..  
Still as always (per my attorney) use the above information at your own peril..  good luck from the gunnut69
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« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2003, 10:40:34 PM »
Thanx again gunnut I'll have to pick up one of those 3" barrells. chances are I'll probably only shoot steel in 3" any way. I had talked to my smith saturday about it and he said chances are if there advertiseing it then legally and responsibly the barrell will work. The only thing he thought might cause a problem with is the ejection port, maybe a difference in lenght. He didn't have a 3" in stock to measure by so maybe alittle more digging I'll find out. Thanx again Dan
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Ladano/3 inch chambered barrel.
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2003, 05:44:42 AM »
I picked up a full choke 3" mag barrel, and the ejection port did not 'seem' like it was long enough. But it cycles the big shells flawlessly. There is something we need to understand here...these guns are gas operated, and the barrel has a gas port that is different for 3 inch or 2 & 3/4.  THIS is why light trap loads dont work the action in the 3" barrel, because the gas port is different, I dont beleive the 3 inch shells in the proper barrel will cause any harm to the gun.   WARNING...this is just a theory.  I tried a few to test it and now I am going to stick to 2 & 3/4 until Turkey season next month.  I usually use 2-3 shells during Turkey season, and I dont think that will wear anything out.
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« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2003, 09:57:08 AM »
Sounds good to me, the only 3" I'll be shooting is steel for ducks so I should be in good shape. I was worried about the cycling and ejection of the 3" shells. Thanx again Dan
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« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2003, 08:34:22 PM »
I have checked several 2 3/4 inch 1100 receivers and all had ejection ports that would allow 3 inch shells to function just fine..  As I said before the 870's will also work just fine with either a standard or mag barrel..  That said, never use the wrong ammo for the barrel you are firing.  If a 3 inch shell is fired in a 2 3/4 inch chamber pressures will go dangerously high..  Perhaps high enough to damage the gun and/or the user....
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« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2003, 01:53:42 AM »
Thanx Gunnut I just picked up another 1100 a couple of days ago so I'll probably camo it out and get the 3" barrell to boot. I'm gonna try lenghtening the forceing cone on it to try to tune it in a little better. Had any experience with that, I sure would take the advice. Thanx again Dan
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« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2003, 07:55:30 PM »
Lengthening the forcing cone is not all that difficult.  The real problem is the cost of the reamer..  Be cautious as many aftermarket barrels are made with chrome lined bores, that's death to a reamer..  And as always measure twice, cut once.. Be certain to maintain a safe barrel thickness..
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« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2003, 02:37:10 AM »
Years ago, I traded my 2 3/4" gun for a 3" mag. Imagine my chagrin when I found I couldn't shoot all those skeet & dove loads I had so laborously assembled. After some inspecting, going back to the gunshop to compare the 2 3/4" & 3" guns against each other, the only difference I could find was the 2 3/4" barrel had two gas ports, and the three inch only one. A call to Remington, and the fella I talked to, said the 3" gun had a slightly heavier action bar & sleeve assembly. Soooo, with the correct size drill, I added a gas port to the 3" barrel. Viola! Shoots 2 3/4" and 3" shells interchangeably without a stutter. And this was years before the 1187. I do realize that shooting 3" shells is harder on the gun now, but I will normally use only a box or two per season. All the rest are 2 3/4" loads. It's been probably 20 years, and I haven't had to replace any parts. I still have the extra white nylon breech bolt buffer I ordered, because I was sure it would need replacement... Hasn't yet!
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« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2003, 04:03:05 PM »
I have two 3" 1100s.  The 3" barrels fling out my trap loads flawlessly.  I love this full choke 30" barrel for long range dove hunting in the fall.  I also have a custom 26" 2 3/4" barrel for shooting clays.  Never jambs.  If you have problems cycling light trap loads in a 3" barrel, put on two, yes (2) "o" rings.  Should solve your problem.  If not, your gun is dirty or broke.

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« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2003, 09:11:53 PM »
I've owned several 1100's and all handled light loads just fine.  I have however worked on some that would not..  Usually I've found the culprit to be those gas ports..  Most of the guns were bought and taken out and shot.  Cleaning was a patch in the bore and little else.  The factory coats these guns with a preservative grease and if not cleaned from the gas ports will harden from firing.  Clean those ports with carb cleaner spray and pipe cleaners.  Clean the rest of the gun also, lubricate correctly and I've not had a problem with functioning light loads, even in cold weather.  Although in cold temps the cycling will slow a bit...  Remember- gas operated shotguns are quite dirty and should be cleaned regularly..  The only problem I ever had was after nearly a box of 2 3/4 inch heavy loads used while pheasant hunting.  In the cold, damp morning air I had to push the bolt handle to close the action on a round it was so stiff from the massive fouling and gumming.  After the inial firing that morning I had no further problems but you can believe it got a good cleaning that night..
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