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Offline kenscot

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« on: February 17, 2005, 06:39:39 PM »
I recently picked up a browning A bolt medallion with the boss system installed. I do like the reduced recoil I get with it. makes the 06 feellike a 243 To date I have not played with different settings much Just curious if anyone has found it very beneficial or just hype. I like 165 gr nosler ball tip bullets has anyone found a sweet spot setting with this weight bullet

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« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2005, 02:57:27 AM »
I have a Winchester M70 Classic Stainless with BOSS.  Yes, Winchester used to have the BOSS system installed on their rifles.  Now I only think Browning has them (they are both owned by the same parent company).

Is the BOSS a bunch of hype?  NO.  It really works, both in terms of reducing recoil AND achieving better accuracy.

I use PMC 180 grain Barnes X factory ammo in my gun and the setting really makes a difference.  I went from 2" groups to about .5" groups!

The only heads up I want to give you is make sure that you tighten the setting very well once you find your particular sweet spot.  Because if you don't, then the setting can change and so too does your accuracy.

As for your particular setting for that particular bullet, the gun should come with a little chart for a variety of bullets weights for the BOSS.  If you don't have it, then just call Browning and they will tell you over the phone.

Remember, these are general starting points.  My actual sweet spots varied.

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« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2005, 05:15:43 AM »
I'm a BOSS proponent.  Look what I had to say about the BOSS and buying a non-BOSS equiped rifle in some older posts on AR.   I hope you find this beneficial.

[I've got three BOSS rifles. Your thinking too hard into this. The BOSS is a reloaders dream. All one must do is create a round generating as much velocity as safely possible and then tune the BOSS to that load.   I really don't see the need of traditional load development going by trial and error to match harmonics. That is the designed intent of the BOSS.]

[When I'm up for it, I can place a five shot group into damn near the same hole at 100yds with all my BOSS equipped rifles. (I use the CR BOSS) Shooting at 300yds supported, I seldom get groups bigger than MOA.

My .308 WIN Eclipse w/BOSS was my first BOSS rifle and I was a fanatical scientist about that gun, shooting test groups to find the sweet spots for 4 bullet weights. I got them all to shoot the same hole. This experience got me very good at "BOSSing guns around"  Now, it only takes me a few "2-shot groups" to tune a round.

I also Re-BOSSed those 4 different bullet weights (110gr, 150gr, 165gr, 180gr) after I got my CR BOSS weight. The difference between the muzzle break BOSS and the CR BOSS called for different sweet spot setting. (Actually in the end, I just have to subtract 1.7 from the muzzle break BOSS setting if I want to change BOSS adapters)

My 300 WSM, I got lucky and the factory recommended "sweet spot" was perfect. Thank god because ammo for that gun starts to add up.

Simdow,

A BOSS will change barrel harmonics vastly more, probably exponentially more, than changing powder. I would bet my next paycheck some other demon was at work ruining your efforts.

I also found a bit of information from a Browning technician. The BOSS operates on a continuum. Meaning, if you run out of adjustment needing to go further back than zero, you should go out to 10 and work back down.

FISH: In summary, every BOSS equipped rifle is a sub MOA shooter out of the box, capable of same-hole accuracy. Gone are the worries the gun you just bought won't shoot well and the prospect of complex load development crusades to find accuracy.

I'm going to venture from that insurance I've purchased with all of my rifles to date and buy a WIN FWT. 270 WSM. Because I really love the looks of that gun, and I want at least 1 controlled round feed gun to at least say I have one and can evaluate/validate the CRF feature in the field. However, I'm already getting that worry "Oh I hope that I don't end up with a gun that won't shoot my preferred bullet weight accurately"!]


[OK, maybe more than a few groups, but I can get a gun tuned with less than a 15 rounds. When I BOSS a gun, I place the forend into a suede lined "Bulls bag" or a butterfly type sandbag, so the front of the gun is locked in, much like a firm grip from a shooter. (This way, when your zero off the bag won't be too much different than the zero obtained with the rifle in the bag) I leave the stock of the gun in my shoulder, and let the gun recoil naturally. It will slide in the bag and push my body back, but that is what it does in the field. Just need to make sure you place the gun back into the bag at the same spot each time.

1. The first thing I do is set the sweet spot to the factory recommended setting. I fire two very well aimed shots (This might take a couple minutes too).

2. Analyze the group and I make bold adjustments (4/10ths turn) right from the beginning to see which way I need to tune.

3. Once I establish my right tuning direction I turn by 2/10ths until I either see the bullet go into the same hole, or until I see the following groups start to open up again.

4. If I get a repeated same hole group, I just leave it alone. If, however, I see my next setting open up a group larger than what I was getting, I then go the other direction by 1/10th adjustments.

Now, you can take into consideration the varying field conditions and temperatures you might face while out hunting. I know that change in temperature effects velocity, thus giving different harmonics, so you can either BOSS the gun in the same temps you will be hunting in, or if your like me, you just accept a small varition of change.

I think one is still better off in this regard having a gun that can shoot same hole in the nicer temps and then bringing it out in inclimate weather, than a gun that shoots only 1,1/2" groups.]
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« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2005, 06:20:43 AM »
Talking about same hole groups, I guess that it is quiet possible, or close to it, with the BOSS.  

Still, when I got .5" groups, I just stopped there because it was a very hot day (Miami during the summer is VERY hot) and half inch groups are, well, you know. :wink:

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« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2005, 02:30:37 PM »
kenscot,

My Boss rifle is a Browning A-bolt II Composite Stalker Carbine with a whippy, little, short 20" barrel. BUT, it still delivers .75" groups at 100 yds.!

The rifle is ugly and accurate and I like it!

Buffalogun 8)
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« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2005, 06:17:31 PM »
No hype. I owned a Browning with the Boss system and it was the most accurate gun I have ever owned. However due to some other problems with the trigger I was somewhat forced to get rid of it. It still to this day shot the best groups from any gun I've had including all my Sako's.


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« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2005, 06:23:09 PM »
Quote from: Buffalogun
kenscot,

My Boss rifle is a Browning A-bolt II Composite Stalker Carbine with a whippy, little, short 20" barrel. BUT, it still delivers .75" groups at 100 yds.!

The rifle is ugly and accurate and I like it!

Buffalogun 8)


Yea, my .300 Win Mag has a listed 26" barrel, but with the BOSS, the barrel is actually only about 23.5" or so.  Not a big deal, but with standard cartridges with 22" barrels, the BOSS takes at least 2" or so, so then you are down to about a 19.5" barrel length.  I'm not too thrilled about that.

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« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2005, 07:21:06 PM »
Yeah , got to watch out for that misnomer about barrel length.  I got lucky with my 300 WSM BOSS gun.  I have 21" of rifled barrel and it produces the max velocities listed in the books with a couple grains under max.
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