Damaged M70: What Do You Think?

[FURocious]

Dropped by the gun shop yesterday after reading all about the Mauser 98 action advantages and the Model 70.  I've only had push feed rifles to date and want to dabble in the mauser actions.  SO, there sits of the shelf a used M70 blued Featherweight in 280 Rem.  There is a major cosmetic problem with the rifle though.  The shop owner, a trustworthy guy, sold this rifle (used) to a guy in NY state.  Enroute to NY, the bolt came loose in the box and made a significant series of scratches, about an inch long, at the end of the barrel near the muzzle.  The stock had only slight damage from the bolt, but nothing significant.    

Other than the scratches, the gun looked good.  No crown damage, crisp trigger, smooth bolt, no bolt face damage, and the rifling was good.  

This M70 is a 1990 production.

SO, with that said, what do you think is the typical base value of this gun in this condition?

Does a 1990 production M70 have the best features of the Mauser 98 action?  (I heard Winchester improved upon the action in 1992)

Let me know!

[like2shoot]

Look at the right side of the bolt to see if there is an external extractor. If not , the rifle is a push feed. There is a good article in a recent Rifle magazine on model 70s.

[FURocious]

The tag must be wrong, the rifle is definately has a CRF action.

[pastorp]

FUR, The improvement in 92 was the CRF. According to the blue book of gun values. PF rifles are valued at:
100% $435
98% $380
95% $325
90% $300

CRF rifles values:
100%=$555
98%=$450
95%=$355
90%=$310

This is for post 64 featherweights including current production.

Regards, Byron

[anthony passero]

As far as the people at Winchester I spoke with, They never made a CRF 280 Remington Model 70 except out of their custom shop. all 280s that are regular production are push feed rifles. I wish they would make a 280 in the new model 70, It would be in a featherweight, I think the ideal production rifle for game upto and including elk. But with Winchester concentrating on their short mags, I am not holding my breath. Used push feed 280 model 70s in good shape seem  to go for 400 bucks. They shoot like a house afire but they are push feed. Anthony

[while99]

I have a Model 70 Fwt. in .280 Remington and it is a controlled-round feed rifle.  I've had it about 10 years.  Get yourself a Winchester catalog from a couple of years ago, say 2000 or 2001, and you will see CRF Fwts. listed and one of the chamberings is .280 Rem.  Winchester dropped it just a couple of years ago and now the only long-action CRF Fwts. are in .270 and .30/06.  If I had known USRAC was going to dis-continue that chambering, I would have bought a truck-load of them.

[safetysheriff]

The shop owner, a trustworthy guy, sold this rifle (used) to a guy in NY state.  Enroute to NY, the bolt came loose in the box and made a significant series of scratches, about an inch long, at the end of the barrel near the muzzle.  

Other than the scratches, the gun looked good.  No crown damage, crisp trigger, smooth bolt, no bolt face damage, and the rifling was good.  

This M70 is a 1990 production.

SO, with that said, what do you think is the typical base value of this gun in this condition?

Let me know!

Several things come to mind:     You said yourself that the shop owner is trustworthy.     What does he say it is worth?        What will it cost to return it to a cosmetic condition that is acceptable to both you and anyone else you may later want to sell it to?    

I would not give more than $200 for this rifle because I can see where I could easily buy another one today -- at a very reasonable price if I shop well -- to replace it.    

But, I am not a dealer -- so I don't have experience with selling damaged rifles.

Good luck,

SS'

[FURocious]

Thanks for the info guys.  Especially the gun values.  I'll see what majic I can work.

[FURocious]

Tried to do the deal, but the dealer wouldn't let it go for under $500.  So, no deal there!

Thanks guys

[Ramrod]

Tried to do the deal, but the dealer wouldn't let it go for under $500.  So, no deal there!

Thanks guys

$500??? :eek:  :eek:  :eek:
I thought you said the dealear was trustworthy! He doesn't seem to have much respest for his customers. What would a gunsmith charge to get that gun back to excellent condition? You would be better off buing new. Just not from him.

[FURocious]

Yeah, first time we didn't make a deal that was good for both of us.  I think he'll change his mind after that rifle sits on the shelf for months on end.

[FURocious]

Well, enough about that beat up old gun. I've ventured into a new realm, but one of similar proportions...how about a model 70 Fwt stainless in .270 WIN.

I picked up a Winchester 2004 catalog and was browsing though it when I made a comment to myself that a featherweight was a really sharp looking gun with great features, but would be really nice in a stainless version, but for all I knew it wasn't offered. So, I go to the website and WHAT DO YOU KNOW, FWT STAINLESS!

For the last few days I've been hem-hawin figuring what caliber I want. 7mmWSM or 270WSM, or plain 270 WIN. After calculating EXPERIENCE, ballistics, recoil, availability, price and need/want I came up with the 270 WIN.

Sorry guys, the 270 WSM doesn't beat the 270 by very much at all. Firing 130 and 140gr bullets makes for a 1.5" difference at 300 and 2" difference at the 400 yard. For all the extra money, powder, and recoil, it just doesn't pan out in my world. The 270 Win model has ½” more bolt throw (I’ve never been hindered by bolt throw), but is 1.5” shorter overall.

This is what I figured out for ME and this rifle fits a niche in my hunting/collection. I could have easily taken the other argument/road for the 270 WSM and the 7mmWSM, but for the fact I've got a 300 WSM that will easily outspank all calibers mentioned in this thread with a 150gr bullet.

OH, I’m sooo happy. I’ve got that new gun warm and fuzzy! Already I see myself back out in TX punching hogs and rolling coyotes!

Hey, anyone interested in a .338 BAR Safari?