lever action 12 gauge

[kevin.303]

i'm kinda interested in one of these
http://www.sirmailorder.ca/show_prod.php?product_id=440820&cat_id=10&subcat_id=43&PHPSESSID=4d3199842ffc665e4e78c4fa08ef0334

who made the original? i wonder if it would cycle fast enough for bird hunting .probably. it would make a neat slug gun. just not sure of the quality. some norincos are good, some are bad.

[Lawdog]

kevin.303,

who made the original?

Winchester 1887 12 ga. was made from 1887 to 1901.  Was also available in a 10 ga. version toward the end of it's production.  The Winchester exposed hammer 1897 pump was most likely the reason for the demise of the 1887.  I have seen a few 1887's and have been told that the reason they fell out of popularity was the slower rate or filling the magazine as compared to the 1897 pump.  Lawdog
 

[Shorty]

Kevin,
Although these guns have a high "cool" factor, the action is much like operating a bumber jack on a car!     Yes, not very slick or fast.  :wink:

[kevin.303]

you could probaly get a gunsmith to polish it up and make it cycle a pit faster. but thats part of the appeal and challenge of hunting with old guns and single shots. make that first shot count. never really cared about filling my bag limit anyways.

[West Creek Charlie]

http://www.coyotecap.com

Coyote Cap is the only place to get one of these 1887 shotguns. There has been alot of trouble getting these manufactured with the other companies including Norinco. Coyote Cap is an experienced 1887 gunsmith and has teamed up with a company in Japan to produce them.

Coyote Caps web site is down right now for updating but you can call them at (507)685-4500 or 5411

I do beleive his base prie is less than the norinco you linked to also.

Coyote cap is expecting the first shipment early this year.

As far as these lever guns being slow - it is all in your practice and ability as to how slow they are worked. Just like a pump gun - ya have to practice. There is a link someplace to a cowboy shooter demonstrating how fast they can be shot and it is very impressive. I'd say it is as fast as any automatic in the right hands. If I can find the link I'll post it.

[kevin.303]

after all the BS import laws and paperwork and government red tape it would be cheaper and easier to just get the Norinco. i think for a shotgun i might just get a Traditions ALS 2100. SIR has them for $464.99 in wood and blued steel

[willysjeep134]

believe it or not I hear winchester made a few experimental rifles on this action. The cartrige was a brass 10 gauge hull necked down to take a 12 gauge slug. It had a rifled barrel. I remember reading that only like three were made. The idea was to make a carbine that could take on a grizzly with no question as to who would win. I guess there were already plenty of good rifles out there. I read it on the net somewhere, for what that is worth I guess. Still, they are a very cool looking shotgun.