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« on: January 18, 2005, 05:37:30 AM »
i'm wanting to take two of my handis and make them just target rifles so i want to do everything right. now when it comes to bedding the forend how would you do it perfect ? what bedding compound is the best to use? an mostly what release agent should i use? i don't want it on there for life. and how much should i bed it ? i know on a bolt gun you just bed the action and first two inches of the barrel .so should i just bed up to the forend screw or should i bed the whole forend?
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« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2005, 06:39:17 AM »
Mitchell,
Hate to tell you this, but there ain't no perfect way to bed a Handi Rifle.  Do some searches or just hang out and read a lot.  You will find a combination of different things and ideas about improving the accuracy of these goofy little rifles.
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« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2005, 06:49:32 AM »
Mitchell, if you can get hold of a copy of Accurizing the Factory Rifle by ML McPherson at your local library, it has a short chapter devoted to the Handi-Rifle called The (lack of!) Trouble With The New England Firearms Handi-Rifle (H&R Ultra), most of which concerns bedding the stock.

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« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2005, 07:15:09 AM »
Quick:

Scan if for me...and e-mail with it if you don't mind...I'm trying a few different things on my different frames to see how each does...and I would like to see what he has  to say about it.....

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« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2005, 07:21:02 AM »
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« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2005, 08:08:36 AM »
Here is how I do the bedding. The recess gets a thin rubber washer.
The hinge is bedded with Brownell Steel Bed. The foam is Dow Great stuff which expands to quite solid density. The forearm gets 15lbs uplift with a wood wedge thar is removed after three days when the foam has completly expanded. Steel bed comes with relaese agent. The foam is released with paste wax.

This has worked really well on the 25-06 and now I have done the same thing on the 257 Roberts. The picture shows a wood overlay to close the gap that the octagon barrel created.

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« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2005, 08:57:27 AM »
Mitchell, I sent it to you after I corrected your email address...  :roll:

Mac, check your pm.

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« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2005, 09:04:37 AM »
Quick and Mitchell.
It seams that many people believe that poor accuracy comes from a poor barrel. Of course a poor barrel will not shoot as good as a good barrel.
I have seen 303 barrels that were so bad but still shot with 1-1/2 accuracy.

The Handi has special problems that are not related to the barrel per se.
That is all connection are loose. The latch is the biggest culprit.
The loose fit of the barrel in the action. Big gaps between the underlug and the action. Very poor fit of the forearm hinge piece. These are your accuracy problems and no amount of changing loads will fix that..

We have to counteract the torque of the barrel, the uplift forces on the latch created by the hinge pin not being in line with the recoil forces and the pressure forces against the standing breech and on the hinge pin.
Dampen the barrel vibrations in the forearm. Free floating is ok but it just moves the vibrations back to the action.

All these item put together is what is causing inaccuracy. It is therefore no accident that lighter bullets in a Handi will be more accurate than the heavier ones because of the lesser forces.

In the last month PS Shooting magazine, the 303 forearm (two piece stock) was bedded with RCV Silicone with outstanding results.
L.M Mcpherson came up with that one. Yes his book is good, I don't have one. The trouble with RCV Silicone is that they make 50 different kinds and they don't say which kind they used.

And men, slow those bullets down a bit in a Handi for better accuracy, these are not bolt action rifles.
Fred M.
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« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2005, 09:40:22 AM »
Fred, check your email!! :wink:
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« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2005, 11:15:28 AM »
hey quick how hard woould it be just to post it??it seems to be a hot topic
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« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2005, 11:39:24 AM »
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hey quick how hard woould it be just to post it??it seems to be a hot topic


I believe that would be illegal and if not, unethical to post a published writing on an open forum...although it is only one chapter....But I'd be glad to send it to anyone.

Borg1, check your pm, I need your email address.

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« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2005, 12:05:27 PM »
quickdtoo...check your pm...i was wondering if you would email me that alos...thank you! my email is in the pm
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« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2005, 12:34:27 PM »
If you just email that to your self you will then always be able to just forward it to as many people as you want any time just by typing in their address.

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« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2005, 03:58:38 PM »
I have noticed that of all my Handi rifles the 280 shoots about the best. It will group about everything under 1 1/2 inches. I do not however load this gun hot. I load the 120 grainers to about 2750 fps. Kills deer like a lightning bolt.
shot placement is everything.