Author Topic: Which rifle (Read 1196 times)

chipchip · « **on:** January 03, 2005, 11:31:17 AM »

Looking to buy either a Remington VLS 223 or Ruger VT 223. need some input to help in my decision.

Coyote Hunter · « **Reply #1 on:** January 03, 2005, 01:10:29 PM »

chipchip -

Last year I got a stainless Ruger 22-250 VT for Christmas. Its a super rifle. Don't know if the Remington has a two-stage target trigger, but the Ruger does. Last group I shot at 200 yards went 0.5" for 4 shots.

But I'm a Ruger bigot, so you might want additional recommendations.

mountainview · « **Reply #2 on:** January 03, 2005, 06:24:07 PM »

Not trying to muddy the H20 too much but you might want to look over the Savage 12FV with the Accutrigger in addition to the above. The looks may or may not grow on you but the accuracy and the trigger will. In any event, a 223 is just plain fun to shoot.

Safe shooting.

safetysheriff · « **Reply #3 on:** January 03, 2005, 07:44:24 PM »

i don't want to start a flame-out :shock: , but you don't need to throw down ANY money on a Ssssss....... :cry: SSSSSssssssssaaaaaa :shock:, regardless what they say about its accuracy. You want to buy a rifle that doesn't need a new stock right away and doesn't have a Cheap barrel on it!

No insults intended, but you named the two brands that I'd look into: Remington and Ruger. Remington's accuracy speaks for itself, with a service department that may finally be improving -- if it's ever needed. Ruger just plain produces one hell of a rifle, in my opinion, as regards its engineering and its service department -- if it's ever needed.

I'm guessing that Ruger puts a lot of work into that varminter, and would give it every consideration if it were my purchase.

ps: yeah, coyote hunter is a self-proclaimed bigot :x , but so what? he's got it right when it comes to being a Ruger fan!

if his groups are as decent, in the aggregate, as what he shot recently, then that speaks for itself.

pps: i couldn't shoot a .5" group at 200 yds' unless i'd been drinking! :-)

nipprdog · « **Reply #4 on:** January 03, 2005, 11:53:40 PM »

Quote from: mountainview

Not trying to muddy the H20 too much but you might want to look over the Savage 12FV with the Accutrigger in addition to the above. The looks may or may not grow on you but the accuracy and the trigger will. In any event, a 223 is just plain fun to shoot.

Safe shooting.

actually, the 'compareable' model to mention would be the 12BVSS, laminated stock.

I recently picked up a VLS on a deal I couldn't say no to. I was surprised that the stock is NOT pillar bedded. its also not a true free-floated barrel since they have a raised point at the sling swivel mount.

the Savage stock is pillar bedded, has a truely free-floated and fluted barrel, and most likely will be more accurate than the the other two. :wink:

Graybeard · « **Reply #5 on:** January 04, 2005, 02:15:52 AM »

When I buy one (and I will be in the near future) the Remington is the ONLY one that will be on my short list. I don't even consider the others. Quite simply they've been working well for me for over 40 years and I see no need to change now.

Lawdog · « **Reply #6 on:** January 04, 2005, 09:02:02 AM »

safetysheriff,

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i don't want to start a flame-out , but you don't need to throw down ANY money on a Ssssss....... SSSSSssssssssaaaaaa , regardless what they say about its accuracy. You want to buy a rifle that doesn't need a new stock right away and doesn't have a Cheap barrel on it!

It's not what they say about it's accuracy it's what has been proven. Just check the records. You DON'T have to replace the stock for them to shoot little groups either and a fancy stock never killed anything or set any records. You may not like the looks of the new Savages but they are very well made and engineered. Their award winning AccuTrigger is the talk of the shooting world. Give me someting that works and not something that just looks pretty. Lawdog

armory414 · « **Reply #7 on:** January 04, 2005, 12:03:03 PM »

My brother has the Savage varmint in .308, I have the Ruger varmint in .22-250. Both are very accurate. Haven't had a chance to shoot a Remington, but I've seen a lot of Remingtons lately that should have never left the factory.

victorcharlie · « **Reply #8 on:** January 04, 2005, 12:40:52 PM »

You go Lawdawg.........ditto I'm sure.........Savage sure has put the fear in the big players........They'll put the rest out of business if they don't change their ways.......

safetysheriff · « **Reply #9 on:** January 04, 2005, 08:24:24 PM »

i'll tell you who just turned up the heat :eek: -- REMINGTON. look at their new model 700 sps that replaces the ADL with a better (i'd expect) stock, 24" barrel lengths, premium recoil pad, hinged floor plate magazine, and the same price as the old adl synthetic! how? take off those iron sights they had on the adl', and you've saved enough to pay for the improvements while holding costs at the same level......$520 -- including the 26"-barreled magnums. :shock:

it gets even worse, SSSSSssssss :eek: SSSSSSSSSssssssssssaaaa :eek: fans!!! the 'sps' in stainless steel lists at only $613

i could eat this up with a spoooooooon! :-D

now are we REMINGTON fans gonna' get a little respect?

in the near future, next to "rifle", the dictionary will have a picture of the new Model 700 'SPS'.

respectfully

submitted,

SS'

DWARREN123 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 05, 2005, 04:07:56 AM »

Look at CZ's before you buy anything, you may be surprised. :-)

NYH1 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 05, 2005, 05:45:34 AM »

Quote from: Graybeard

When I buy one (and I will be in the near future) the Remington is the ONLY one that will be on my short list. I don't even consider the others. Quite simply they've been working well for me for over 40 years and I see no need to change now.

I couldn't agree more ! :toast:

Don Fischer · « **Reply #12 on:** February 05, 2005, 01:06:07 PM »

The two absolutely worst shooting rifle's I've owned, a Rem model 7 in 223 and now a Rem 700 ADL in 243. I'ed get better groupe's out of either using bird shot. And I have talked to the folk's at Remington, they saw nothing wrong with a 223 that couldn't hit a watermelon across the picnic table. I've been a long time Remington fan but this 243 is my last. My next one will be a Savage. May have a junk barrel but at least they shoot!

Lawdog · « **Reply #13 on:** February 05, 2005, 02:39:03 PM »

safetysheriff,

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i'll tell you who just turned up the heat -- REMINGTON.

If Remington turned up the heat on anything it's on themselves. As long as Remington's accuracy standard's are groups that measure "basketball" @ 100 yards they are in trouble.

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now are we REMINGTON fans gonna' get a little respect?

:-D :-D Why? Just because Remington is lowering their prices trying to draw customers back to them!

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in the near future, next to "rifle", the dictionary will have a picture of the new Model 700 'SPS'.

Only if it's under the section on how to drive away customers. Lawdog

daddywpb · « **Reply #14 on:** February 06, 2005, 01:52:48 AM »

I was also going back and forth between Remington and Ruger when I got my rifle. I went with the Ruger, and it's great, except for the trigger, which I fixed with a $70 Rifle Basix drop in trigger. I don't know how Remington triggers are from the factory, but I would expect given today's "run to the lawyer" mentality, they aren't much better. As for Savage, I had one, never liked it, and sold it.

bigjeepman · « **Reply #15 on:** February 06, 2005, 02:32:58 AM »

My opinion favors a Savage/Ruger choice. The Ruger needed a Timney trigger on my .243 and then became my most accurate rifle. Last week, I bought a Savage 10FP in .223 (my first .223) with the Accu-trigger and it has been shooting "ugly Savage" sub-moa groups with 2 different kinds of factory ammo (45 gr and 55gr). I will be buying my dies, powder, etc this week so I can start reloading some Hornady V-max and Nosler BT bullets.

Some good points are being made for all models. I do not really care for the Savage stock but my groups have been excellent for a new rifle. The trigger came set at 2 lbs from the factory. It is excellent. You also might want to look at the new Savage VLP. It just might be my next rifle and you can get it in .204 or .223. It is selling for $655 in my local gunshop and I believe to be worth every penny.