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Offline TCShooter

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« on: November 10, 2004, 05:43:40 PM »
May not be the typical post here but I have a question about snakes.  I live in the country, we built in the woods and have rock ledges in the back yard and trees around the house.  Near the end of summer my son and I were on the four wheeler and I saw a snake near a log in my yard and stopped to look at it.  While stopped near the log about eight to ten snakes slithered away, they all seemed to come out from the log.  At the time I didn't think much about it, just thought that they must have been babies from this year and that is why I saw so many.  Anyway, I went to get the tractor ready for winter and put the snowblower on and when I uncovered it I found snake skins on it.  Upon closer inspection I found probably ten skins stuck to various parts of the tractor.  

Now my question is do I have a problem with snakes and what do I do about them.
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« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2004, 01:01:34 AM »
Sounds more like you have a rodent problem. If these are non-poisonous snakes I'd consider it a blessing.

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« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2004, 01:32:55 AM »
I should have mentioned that I am not up on snakes but I would guess that they are garter snakes.  I don't think we have poisonous snakes around here...I hope!    :shock:  :)
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« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2004, 11:56:45 AM »
Pretty easy to tell snake species by their distinct color patterns.  Get a Field Guide to Reptiles for your area and begin to learn them, incase they turn out to be poisonous.  If they are gartersnakes they dont eat rodents but  bugs and that's ok too.
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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2004, 01:04:24 PM »
A trained eye can determine whether a snake is poisonous or not by the last two or three inches of it's tail.  A poisonous snake has a blunt tail.
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« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2004, 04:03:35 AM »
I hate snakes!!!  When i had the firewood business I would catch them in the road and I would lockup the dualrear wheels over them when i was loaded (17k lbs.)  and rip them wide open and leave them for the crows to eat.  One place i cut is wall to wall copperheads I cut it all winter and had to get out before the warm weather starts.  It was all rocky ledges.
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« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2004, 11:30:13 AM »
I lifted up a sheet of roofing tin at my shooting range and caught two 3' copperheads in the act of making little snakes. 8)   Just happened to have a rifle handy and shot both of them through their heads.  Don't think they were finished as the male still had an erection.  Any of you guys ever see a snake's whanger?  It was about the diameter of a pencil and about 1 1/2" long and off-white in color.  Around the business end were six protrusions that made it resemble a king's crown.
 
I feel priviledged to have seen such a sight.  None of my friends have ever seen this.
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« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2004, 03:53:45 PM »
Quote from: Loader 3009
Any of you guys ever see a snake's whanger?  


  :)  :)    i try not to get that close  :-D  :-D

my great grandfather and great uncle used to tell of a giant snake that they would see on occasion around their farm around the 1920's.  evidently it had bone spines sticking out of it's back for several inches.   it was so big that my great uncle (grandfathers brother) drove on top of it with his tractor until it was under the rear wheels, shut it off, jumped off cause he was afraid it was big enough to come up and get him.  he hauled it back to the house to get his 30-30 and when they got back there it was gone.   grandpa himself didnt like discussing things like this because of the way people would look at ya.  

a neighbor was coming home  one day and cruising through the coulee.  he came around a corner and there was the creature coiled up in the road.  it was so big that he didnt want to hit it with his car, and said the coil was almost as high as the hood of his car.  that incident was in the '50s; back when a car was a car.  so it had to have been pretty big.  

  when my great grandparents first settled there, the indians were still around.  and they befriended many of them.  my grandpa and his siblings remembered them quite well.  anyhow, the indians told of a strange snake like creature that was in the area.  they said it was big and "boney"-whatever you want to interpet that as is up to you.  but added to the other two stories, i am guessing they were refering to the same thing he parked the tractor on.    

other than the stories related by my kin,  i have never heard of anything like this.   but i can tell you they were not b.s.ing.

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« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2004, 12:17:02 AM »
I love listening to snake-tales.  Lots of them were created to scare people away from 'stills, some to keep young'uns close to the house, some are just campfire tales.  I guess some of them are true.

The reason I got close enough to examine the two that I shot was that I was skinning them to make belts and hatbands.  Snakes skin like peeling a banana.  Stretch the skin on a board or corrugated cardboard, scale side down, and secure with thumbtacks.  Dust the flesh side with borax.  They will dry in a week.
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« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2004, 02:41:30 AM »
TC Shooter:  You live in Upsate NY and we don't have large numbers of poisonous snakes here.  There are two recognized Rattlesnake dens in the state that I know of - one is on Snake Mountain at Lake George, and that is an Encon recognized Pigmy Rattler den and there is another one near Syracuse.

What you have is Garter Snakes, or possibly even Garden Snakes.  The Garter Snake is harmless to humans - eats bugs and small rodents.  The Garden Snakes are a bit bigger and have fangs - they prefer larger members of the rodent family.  If you have either, and it sounds more like Garter Snakes than Garden Snakes, your rodent problem is under control.  I would give those slitherly guys a warm place to hole up for the winter. HTH.  Mikey.

ps - mine prefer an old pile of tire chains - dang, you can't see them there until you go to move the chains and then it's a surprise (LOL).

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« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2004, 03:58:42 AM »
Almost always I carry protection against snakes–two legged snakes, that is.

The other kind I can live with and in fact I never kill snakes. We used to bring them home, keep a few days for the little ones to study and then release where they were found. Only ever had one incident when a blacksnake of almost 6 ft. escaped somewhere on our enclosed back porch. I searched all over & couldn't find it but 2-3 days later while I was at work, my wife located it inside a jacket which was hanging on a peg on the porch. All by herself, she recaptured it and put it back in our cage. Brave little gal as these big boys can give you a nasty scrape job with their teeth.

Just learn to identify them and avoid close encounters with the very few poisonous snakes you'll encounter here in the northeast.[/b]
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« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2004, 12:34:59 PM »
Snakes make good neighbors!  Tho' they can be a bit creepy--or even dangerous, in some cases--they control the vermin population.  Bugs and rodents and bullfrogs, oh my!

Seriously,  snakes do take care of lots of flea-bearing rodents, who can carry diseases such as bubonic plague and hanta viruses.

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« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2004, 09:39:21 AM »
Clearing land in the suburbs, sometimes we would see a pigmy rattler or two.  Found a little Coralsnake once - pretty little thing!  I don't kill them, as even the venomous ones are rodent-killers.  Just give them a bit of warning and room, and they'll go about their way.

A few years back a company was clearing and restoring a shallow lake and it's swampy environs here in North Florida - they caught a thirteen foot Burmese Python!   Unfortunately, they killed it.  Made quite a stir locally!  Supposedly, it's mate is still 'out there' . . .  :shock:
Dang, and I used to think we had only the gators to worry about!   :twisted:

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« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2004, 07:34:04 PM »
Hey michbob, where you from in the LP, since you are "Gender Unknown" maybe you are from Holland? I'm from Hart.

Snakes are great, until you wet your pants moving a bail of hay.

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« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2005, 07:07:28 AM »
wow! lots and lots of non truths here on this subject...  ok not trying to be a "know it all" but now, telling a snake is poisonous or not by its tail is a false. you can "guess" its SEX by the tail. accually the male snake has 2 yup 2 reproductive organs, some are crowned as described some are like that for the whole length.. as per the "garter/garden" snake.  this is a mis nomer as well its a slide on the name, garden snake. non poisonous small in size maybe reaching 2 foot in length. they get together for warmth in withertime in underground areas and will get together for mating one female to 100s of males forming a "ball". depending on the length versus the girth of the shed skin, you can also tell male/female and what species of snake MOST of the time...  the idea of a snake being the heigth of a car hood is ludicrist, the longest snake is the reticulated python not native to the U.S. and coiled up it may reach to the bumper of a car. the fattest snake is shorted and might go about the same if its old enough.  just my 2 pennys
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« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2005, 05:14:07 PM »
Well did not see any real answers on how to keep snakes away.
One of the best ways to keep snakes away in plain old Moth balls. I forget the name of what is in them that snakes do not like but it will work. Just place them around the areas that you do not want snakes at. As they melt they will release what even it is in them that snakes do not like.

but like most said, Personally I would let them be as long as they are not hurting anything as they will keep rats and mice away really well.

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« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2005, 04:33:22 PM »
For the fella that wrote the origional post. He said that he didn't know his snakes, but he can at least tell if they are pit vipers or not by looking at those skins that he found.

Look at the belly scales.....if the snake that left the skin is a pit viper, there will be a single row of belly scales from the vent to the tip of the tail. A non poisonous snake will have two rows of belly scales from the vent to the tip of its tail.
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« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2005, 02:07:01 AM »
To help keep snakes away from your house, Don't give them a place to hide!

Keep your yard mowed short and keep it edged back!
Snakes love wood piles!  If you happen to have a pile of old boards around, I'll bet there are snakes in it!

Contrary to what one of the older posts stated, garter snakes DO eat rodents!  They eat mice, moles, shrews,and they also eat frogs as well as insects!
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« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2005, 03:15:31 PM »
Kinda makes me laugh reading about some of the old snake tales.And most of them are just that, TALES.
Been keeping and breeding snakes since 1992.My current collection is one black rat snake that I have had for 5 years now and he's 76" long.A real pleasure to handle and wouldent lay a tooth on anyone.I also have a pair of leucistic black rat snakes(meaning white) A pair of trans pecos rat snakes.3 ball pythons,a pair of corn snakes and thier 11 young that I incubated and hatched.Having snakes to me is like you all having dogs.
Hopefully my ball pythons will breed next year,and if so I should be blessed with a piebald hatchling.The parents both carry the gene for that mutation.Piebald babys are going for about 6K right now and collectors will not bat an eye at paying that.

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« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2005, 05:12:18 AM »
My friend works for Exxon and this was found at one of the drilling stations in Angola (spelling).  That is an electric fence it was crawling though. It was shocked and turned to bite the fence and died that way. There was an ewe in its belly.




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« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2005, 06:19:20 AM »
If you had not posted the second picture - for perspective - and the description, that first photo looks like a Godzilla type "mis"representation.  At first I thought it was a snake biting a set of power lines.  Having other objects for perspective makes the difference.  Big snake for sure.

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« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2005, 06:30:59 AM »
Crazy huh!?!?!
Here is what was in the belly.


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« Reply #22 on: September 10, 2005, 03:49:20 PM »
well, kids, i dont know about any of you; but i would not want to hit it with my car.  

in response to those who doubt my previous post....
 
there are alot of things that indians told about that folks dismiss as bunk.  i am telling you what was told to me.  those that told it were not kidding.  

fyi,  this isnt the "i dont believe your story" forum.   maybe you could ask graybeard and he would start you a "you're all full of it"  forum.

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« Reply #23 on: September 13, 2005, 06:52:06 AM »
Hey guy`s  :D
   Speaking of snakes :shock: , take a look at this link :shock:

http://cummunity-2.webtv.net/karenlprince/AMUSTSEE/

I hope it loads up for ya, talking about snakes, and that gator ain`t no little one either.

   That would be a hunters nightmare, while walking to the tower stand in the dark :)  :)

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« Reply #24 on: September 13, 2005, 06:56:00 AM »
It's not working Bullet :D

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« Reply #25 on: September 13, 2005, 10:17:27 AM »
Shucks myron.  nobody is saying your grandpappy didn't squash a great big snake.  They're everywhere (or used to be) and personally, I don't want to meet any of them unprepared.  

The original post was in reference to a lot of snakes in one place at one time, and that is something I have not seen.  I have seen twin black snakes coiling around one another.  I have seen a pair of black snakes that would crawl right up to you if you were to sit still.  They seemed to be as curious of the wife and I as most woodland animals that have not already had a bad-man experience.  We had a big Florida diamondback rattler (6.5' - perhaps small by Texas standards) crawl out and curl itself up rattling in the middle of the blind with us, only to be dispatched with a 243 (deer hunters don't necessarily like rattlers participating in a ground blind).  I've personally caught, held and released one Florida Black Indigo that was 6.5' in total length - big sucker too and fairly docile, but didn't like being held captive for five minutes.  Got pecked on the end of the thumb by a Timber rattler once, before I smartened up to not pick up any more poisonous ones.  Dumb things we do when we were younger.  Wonder some days how we survived our youth with all of the dumb things we did, but that, as they say, is another thread...

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« Reply #26 on: September 13, 2005, 10:49:49 AM »
Yeah snakes arenÂ’t the dumb creatures people make them out to be. They are actually fairly smart (or at least I think so). Some are shy and some are not so shy. I have three pet snakes and they all have their own personalities. One of them begs for my attention and loves to be held, he is the one that when he sees me coming he has to be right at the door waiting for me to pick him up. He also loves to smell my eyes for some weird reason. I too was bitten a poisonous snake down in Florida but it was a water moccasin and the anti-venom was $1500 alone. They were waiting on me at the doors to the emergency room and took me straight back to a room and hooked me up to an IV and started the injections. That was the fastest treatment I have ever received in an ER. lol
I was bitten by a hognose snake once and that was the sickest I have even gotten from a snake bite and I have been bitten many times by different snakes.

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« Reply #27 on: September 20, 2005, 09:21:36 AM »
I used to catch water moccasins back when I lived in Florida. What I would do is find them when they would be crossing this wide dirt road alongside a canal, either in the morning, dusk, or after dark, and I'd slide a stick under them, lift up, and then grab them by the tail, keeping the head-end on the ground. They're too heavy-set to strike upwards high enough to reach my hand. Small ones could be much more difficult. They're nowhere near as aggressive as people think, in fact they are much less aggressive and prone to striking than nonvenomous water snakes, particularly the brown watersnake.

Up here in Missouri, I've caught one water moccasin, and I'd say fifteen or twenty copperheads. Copperheads have a pretty good disposition, but the rule still applies: smaller venomous snakes are trickier to handle.

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« Reply #28 on: September 20, 2005, 12:41:50 PM »
never had a problem handling them.   give 'em a load of #9 shot,  then flip em in a hole with a shovle; fill in hole.    no problem.   :)

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« Reply #29 on: September 20, 2005, 01:55:36 PM »
Never had a reason to do that. At the place in Florida where I caught all the water moccasins, it is against the law to kill wildlife. Aside from that, if I caught somebody doing it, they'd have disappeared.

We can add another copperhead to my grand total, whatever the heck that is. Took me a good 5 minutes before I was able to grab it by the tail, I can't say it was my finest work. Bacardi 151 and Jagermeister don't make the hand-eye coordination any better! I'm no role model.