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« on: September 28, 2004, 12:47:59 PM »
I just wanted to know how does everyone like their 45-70? I can't wait to see the reaction when I get a shot on a deer.  :eek:  Don't get me wrong I love the bow, but I can't wait for gun season to get here either. :grin:  Maybe sometime in the near future a bear or boar hunt will come into the picture 8) What's your thoughts on bear and boar?
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« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2004, 02:20:11 PM »
Tommy I like mine also :-D   :-D  :-D  :-D .
You get a chance go for it, have another couple shots in you left or where you can reload quick for bear & boar they may get pxxx off  and come to you.  Good Luck Marv.

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« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2004, 02:24:14 PM »
TOMMYY01,

To me, just the thought of hunting these two is "unbearable" and "boaring"!!! :eek:
Now as to the .45-70 or .45-2.1, well I think you gotta winner here. I have two .45-70's and like both. The cartridge is quite versatile in that you can load it like they did in the late 1800's which is kinda mild. Or, you can load it up with heavy 500+ grainers in case you want to knock off an F150 or something! :lol:

It is quite accurate, to boot!

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« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2004, 02:50:58 PM »
I got mine rebarrelled to 45/70 several months ago.The 300 grain Winchester and Remington seem to be a good load for mine.At 100 yards I can shoot a 4" group.I am looking forward to deer season opening here on Oct. 10th.I have heard of a lot of people putting scopes on them but I prefer iron sights.Everyone who has had a 45/70 barrel put on seems to like it very much.
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« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2004, 02:51:44 PM »
I'm ordering my Handi rifle this week and can't wait to try it out...I wanted a Marlin Guide but for $300 less  got the same gun, and always make that 1st shot count anywho...Putting a 1.5 to 4X scope on it...Can't wait!  Ha! :D

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« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2004, 05:10:40 PM »
Tommy it is your fault I have one you shouldn't have let me try yours. Went to the range with it last friday and was discriminated agenest no body wanted to shoot next to me  had a ball. After I but 20 rounds threw the 45-70 I then picked up my 22 sportster dang what a difference almost had to learn to shoot it again.  :?
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« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2004, 05:24:47 PM »
:D  :-D  :-D  :-D  :-D  :-D  :-D  :-D
We like them just a bit.... no kinda alot.... no a whole bunch

DANG IT I JUST LOVE THESE 45-70's

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« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2004, 06:30:23 PM »
Been shooting my handi 45/70 for 13 years now and a whole bunch of deer(and one really unfortunate squirrel) have ended up in the freeezer, so you can say I'm fond of mine.  Over the years I"ve sort of modified my stock, added a barrel band for the sling and just generally made it a bit different.  It'll group any 300  or the speer 400 gr bullet into an inch or less at 100 yds, and people respectfully back off when I put a box of the thumb sized cartridges on the table at the range.  Actually, I went out to the range one time last year and turned out all 13 of us there were shooting 45/70's; a mix of NEF's, Rugers, Marlins and one rolling block.  Popular cartridge here in the mountains of central PA.   Paid $150 brand new for mine back then( I worked at a feed/grain/sporting goods store and got a discount off the $174 they cost then), and it's the best investment I've ever made.  Only rifle /cartridge I've ever carried that I have TOTAL confidence in.

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« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2004, 07:13:08 PM »
You gotta love the 45-70 cartridge...no matter what rifle your shooting it in...big hole in...big hole out...my 1895GS Marlin dropped my 10 pointer within a few yards of where I hit him...and I know what you mean by how people back off some when they see...or hear...a full house 300 grain load go off...I think it's one of the best cartridges every made...and if I can get a 45-70 barrel for my Whelen...I'll love that as well...easy to load...and drops what you shoot...


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« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2004, 12:31:48 AM »
Mac 1700,
 The old 45-70 has to be good, it has been around a longgggg! time.
 Still going strong, Probaly be here as long as man on this old earth.
Good luck everybody with a 45-70. Marv

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« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2004, 01:19:26 AM »
super , fun caliber. I have 2 - a marlin and a Buffalo Classic. I sent a Federal 405 grain bullet out at 1650 fps for deer amd a Remington 405 mgr. bullet out at 1300 for hogs and target shooting. The buffalo classic shoots 3 inch groups at 200 yds using the new Williams sights . I have put my high velocity guns away . PURE FUN  :-D
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« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2004, 02:16:17 PM »
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« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2004, 02:47:32 PM »
Leftoverdj,

I have yet to try 5744, but I do like the Lee 405HB, as it shoots fine out of both my .45-70's. It does well as a hunting bullet for our small Florida deer, too!

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« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2004, 08:09:13 AM »
Leftoverdj,

What bbl length is that. It's the same load I use except I have the solid base Lee 405.

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« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2004, 09:37:43 AM »
Hook, it's a stock Handi whatever length that is. I think 22". I have the Lee 457-405-HP mould, too, but it is not quite as accurate as the 459-405-HB. Better now that I have lapped it out to cast about .460 but still not quite as good.

btw, I shoot these as cast. Sometimes use Liquid Alox and sometimes pan lube with homebrew lube.
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« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2004, 11:24:58 AM »
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Hook, it's a stock Handi whatever length that is. I think 22". I have the Lee 457-405-HP mould, too, but it is not quite as accurate as the 459-405-HB. Better now that I have lapped it out to cast about .460 but still not quite as good.

btw, I shoot these as cast. Sometimes use Liquid Alox and sometimes pan lube with homebrew lube.


Leftoverdj...I lapped my lee 405HB out to .460 too, and it greatly improved the groups in my Handi. Although it was supposed to be throwing a .459, it was only .458 using pure lead, and even less with WW.

Been shooting Paper Patch with Lymans 457671... 475gr, taking it down to .452 then patchin it back up to .460...makes all the difference in the world.
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« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2004, 11:47:55 AM »
Here's what I shot today at 100 yards.  I think I may use it for hogs and deer this year!  I was using the same POA as what I use with 300 gr bullets.

12.0 gr Green Dot
400 gr Rem SP
Win LR (standard)
R-P brass
1030 fps
1044 fps
1035 fps
1036 fps average
1055 fps MV
989 ft/lbs ME
9.67 ft/lbs recoil
27.61 Taylor KO
1.0" at 100 yards.


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« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2004, 01:18:37 PM »
Paul, I saw both that and your 12 grains of Universal over on the Handloads Board. Looks to me like either one will do exactly what you want done. If hunting season is pressing you, you might as well go with the Green Dot, but if you have time to play, the next session could well reverse those results.

I'm gonna be interested in reading your field report.  My guess is that that is all the load anyone needs for hunting whitetails in the woods.

I have a field report of a sort, myself.  One of my 405 cast at about 1270 did a very effective job of venting an old propane bottle at 75 yards. No deer that was ever born was as tough as two 1/8" steel walls. Purpose of that exercise was to get me a really big smelting pot. I needed to make sure that there was no propane left inside before I started cutting on it, and I preferred to do so from a safe distance. Good thing, too, because the whole area stank of propane after I vented that bottle.
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« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2004, 01:31:29 PM »
DJ I would run water in the tank before I started cutting on the tank
Also . those things can be DANGEROUS. Just gasoline tanks and barrels.
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« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2004, 03:07:40 PM »
Leftoverdj, Russ,

I have a couple Lee moulds that may benefit from lapping to a larger diameter. Tell me how you accomplished this!

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« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2004, 03:10:19 PM »
Paul,

You wouldn't like to sell that Handi........would you???

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« Reply #21 on: September 30, 2004, 05:42:35 PM »
BG,

I don't need to sell it to you, I gave you the load that accomplished the feat and you should be able to duplicate the results.  Like DJ said, I didn't post the Universal group here, but it was almost as good, just a little bit slower.  

I'm also going to say, the target I'm using is helping with the groups.  It makes it very easy to use the same POA everytime, even with a 4X scope.

This latest load is cheap to shoot.  About $.14 for the bullet, $.02 for the primer and maybe $.03 for the powder at today's prices (I bought my Green Dot  in 1973 for $9.99/4 lbs).  That's $3.80 per box of 20 instead of $21.99/box for factory Rem 300 gr.  :grin:

OOPS, wrong price, it was on sale for $8.97 instead of $11.50 for a 3 pound can.

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« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2004, 08:45:19 PM »
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DJ I would run water in the tank before I started cutting on the tank
Also . those things can be DANGEROUS. Just gasoline tanks and barrels.
 Marv.


Did more than that, Marv. I filled it full of water three times and then ran what was supposed to be 8 cfpm of compressed air through it for a full five minutes. Then I cut.

Buffalo, to lap, you need to get a centered machine screw into an already cast bullet to serve as a shank. I do this in a lathe and would hate to have to try any other method. That's the hard part.

To enlarge a mould, I coat the bullet with fine valve grinding compound, chuck the shank in a drill press, set the press to a slow speed, grab the bullet with the mould, and turn the press on. 30 seconds or so is plenty. There is a certain feel for it you need to avoid making your mould eggshaped, but you are making a very small change and a little off won't hurt anything.

Before I ever enlarged one, I had polished a half dozen. Same routine, but I use a paste of Old Dutch cleanser and water instead of the grinding compound. That's an extremely mild abrasive, but it's enough to get the tiny burs that make bullets hang up in a mould. Because it is so mild, it takes a very long time to remove significant metal so it's pretty safe. 30 seconds gets the burrs, but hardly affects the rest of the mould at all.
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Re: Propane tank
« Reply #23 on: October 01, 2004, 02:10:22 AM »
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Buffalo, to lap, you need to get a centered machine screw into an already cast bullet to serve as a shank. I do this in a lathe and would hate to have to try any other method. That's the hard part.

To enlarge a mould, I coat the bullet with fine valve grinding compound, chuck the shank in a drill press, set the press to a slow speed, grab the bullet with the mould, and turn the press on. 30 seconds or so is plenty. There is a certain feel for it you need to avoid making your mould eggshaped, but you are making a very small change and a little off won't hurt anything.

Before I ever enlarged one, I had polished a half dozen. Same routine, but I use a paste of Old Dutch cleanser and water instead of the grinding compound. That's an extremely mild abrasive, but it's enough to get the tiny burs that make bullets hang up in a mould. Because it is so mild, it takes a very long time to remove significant metal so it's pretty safe. 30 seconds gets the burrs, but hardly affects the rest of the mould at all.


Well, The above description by Leftoverdj is a very good description of how it "should be done",  and I'm sure it's much more precise than what I  have to say, so I'll just throw in two other methods that have "worked" for me.
Remove the head of a Dry Wall Screw, using the "shank" only, open the sprue cutter of your mould and insert the screw with the sharp point up. Pour your mould as full as you can w/o making a mess on top of the mould......while using pliers, try to keep the screw as centered, and horizontal  as possible to the center of the mould.
Remove all the excess / overflow lead from the bullet you have just cast with the screw in in it.
Drill the end of a 1/2" --3/4" dowel rod, that has been cut to about a 6" length, and screw the screw, that is now anchored in the bullet into the dowel.
I use LBT Bore Lap, but any fine abrasion such, as valve grinding compound, Bon-Ami, Old Dutch, or whatever, will work.
I then coat the bullet with mineral oil, put the "paste" of scouring powder on the bullet. I then close the mould around the bullet with the paste, put it in lightly in the vise, and turn / spin the dowel, back an forth, in the palm of my hands.....This can take 3/4/5 minutes of turning by hand, sometimes more, sometimes less...you never know, so go slow and measure often.
Clean the mould, using alcohol, or break cleaner, to remove your mess. Cast a bullet, and when cool measure it.
Keep this up until you get just what you want.

You can get the same results by using a handheld rechargeable screwdriver on the screw by, leaving the screw head in place, and using the screw "starter" that comes with the drill. And, it is much faster than the hand turned dowel.  ( I prefer a screw starter with the outside sleeve that slips completely over the screw)

Of the two methods described, I prefer using the wooden dowel, it seems I can control it much better.

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« Reply #24 on: October 01, 2004, 08:43:06 AM »
DJ,

I haven't found the water filling trick to work too well either.  It seems like a very low pressure purge of compressed air in a tank will keep them from "popping" on you.  

You certainly can't keep water in the tank or you wouldn't ever get enough heat to cut with.

My uncle was a engine man during WWII and he said they used Bon-Ami to help seat the rings on freshly rebuilt engines.  Tooth paste is also another good mild abrasive.  Baking soda is a little coarser that regular tooth paste.

I like the idea of the hand held "swizzle stick" Russ was talking about.  It reminds me of lapping valve seats.  :grin:

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« Reply #25 on: October 01, 2004, 10:13:59 AM »
I like Russ' method, too.  It sounds like the best available if you don't have access to a lathe.

Bon Ami and Old Dutch are the same thing under different labels. I just hit one of those CRS moments and drew a blank when I tried to remember it. Don't use Ajax, it's something else and is way too aggressive and irregular in size.

I did my cutting with a metal cutoff blade in a Skil saw, but there are still enough sparks to make it as dangerous as a torch. If I ever feel the need to cut off another propane bottle, I'll put my holes through it to a month ahead of time and still go through the purge drill.
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« Reply #26 on: October 01, 2004, 10:40:07 AM »
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If I ever feel the need to cut off another propane bottle, I'll put my holes through it to a month ahead of time and still go through the purge drill.


If I wanted to torch a propane tank, I'd just evacuate it with a vacuum pump and then flood it with something relatively inert, like CO2. The stuff you smell likely isn't propane, but the stinky stuff they mix with it so you notice if there's a leak.
(just don't try to evacuate a fuel tank off a car, you'll smash it flat)

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« Reply #27 on: October 01, 2004, 01:46:25 PM »
Mitch is certainly right about the residue being mercaptan and not propane/butane.  Both are gases at temps we are having now and butane doesn't start its lack of volatility until it's below freezing.  The odor permeates the pores of the metal, but it has more smell than anything else.

I was thinking more in terms of fuel tanks with the low pressure purge.  Things can get pretty exciting when you put a torch to a fuel tank!  :eek:

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« Reply #28 on: October 01, 2004, 04:23:16 PM »
Leftoverdj, Russ,

Thanks guys, I'll see if I can get these moulds in shape!

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« Reply #29 on: October 01, 2004, 04:37:25 PM »
Paul,

I remember as a kid, picking up this wooden tool that looked like a short toy arrow with a suction cup on one end. My dad told me it was for seating valves.

I already have some LBT lapping compound, so I think I'll try this.

I fired six groups through the new 308 HB today. I tried WW760 for the first three groups with 150g Ballistic Tips, 150g Hornady SST's, and 150g Speer Mag Tips. These turned in groups of around 1"-1.5" @ 50 yds.
The groups were centered over the the bull.

The last three groups were loaded with the same bullets over Varget powder. Group sizes shrunk to .5"-.75" @ 50 yds. and the center of each group was moved up about 2"  northeast of the bull. Just changing the powder moved the groups well away from the previous groups.

I think it may shoot very well with a little more tinkering. Might try 165g bullets.


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