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« on: September 01, 2004, 08:27:03 PM »
Is anyone planning to go hunting with a lever rifle that was chosen for its nostalgic value this hunting season?  What I mean is, you've got maybe a .30-06 Remington 700 with a $750 scope on top, and a .300 mag BLR with a Vari-XIII on it, but you reach past both of them for grandpa's iron-sighted .32 Special this year.  Maybe that gun is ideal for your style of hunting, but probably not, so who is going to let history, nostalgia, or what have you sway their choice of hunting rifles this year?  

I've been thinking about leaving behind some perfectly good scoped rifles of modern make and trying my luck with my great-grandfather's .30-30 this year.  Except for honest wear, it remains in the same condition that it was in when it left the factory, right down to the open sights.  It really isn't ideal for my type of hunting, and it sure won't make things easier, but it still seems like a good idea.
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« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2004, 02:13:07 AM »
leverfan:  Yep - I feel the same.  I have a couple fo hunts coming up this year and will need to use some of my more modern levers for those, but when it comes to our whitetail season, there is this old 1926 production Winchester 94 in 30 WCF I plan to take afield.  She still shoots good enough at 100 yds to make me wish I had better eyes.  Mikey.

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« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2004, 02:34:21 AM »
I am going to take a Winchester model 71 I got this summer. It is a 1940's model, not the current Browning and Winchester repros. .348 WCF case looks HUGE, based on the .50-110 black powder cartridge. I also have some other oldies I like to give a chance to when appropriate. I have a .38-55 and .32-40 in a model 1894 Winchester I'd like to try in the woods. My problem is with 2 little kids I don't have enough time to shoot everything I'd like to try out!

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« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2004, 04:48:12 AM »
I'm going to take my 1892 in 44-40 for deer this year. 1910 production.
Lightest rifle I have. I just have to work up an accurate load.
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« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2004, 07:56:26 AM »
Having been a hunter for more than 50 years, I had accumulated a number of fine rifles; all of them capable of taking the largest of the game that I hunt; moose, caribou deer and black bear in British Columbia. Several of these guns are scope mounted and more suited to the occasional long range shots than my current favorite which I limit to 200 yards.

In 2001 I inherited a vintage (1936) M-71-.348 rifle. All the other rifles have since been neglected and prepared for long-term storage.

Growing up as a young hunter in the 1950's, I had read of the big Winchester Levergun, and had hoped to acquire one someday. I knew of one in the family, but even seeing it eluded me, and I came to understand later the degree of possessiveness that goes with such a rifle.

Then 50 years later, it was my turn. The gun was immaculate and only showed signs of being used by dedicated hunters that had looked after it well. The rifle is such a pleasure to carry and shoot even though the M-71 is considered a heavy rifle (8.5 lbs.). I have been very lucky since I began using it and my larder has been filled.

Sometimes when sitting at a stand, I closely examine the details of this hand-made rifle and reflect back in time to those craftmen that took such pride in its construction. To John Browning, whose genius inspired it. and to the line of hunters that have owned it (all of whom I have known). To a time when hunting was a highly respected pursuit and success was reason for celebration.

I strongly believe that if hunting is to remain an honored activity, hunters must avoid the tendency to over equip themselves with  gadgets and machinery. Hunting is so much more than acquiring, it is respect for the game and yourself. My last years of hunting will be on more equal terms with my quarry, and my rifle of choice reflects that simple and straightforward philosophy.
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« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2004, 08:10:55 AM »
In the past several years, I have killed a deer with a 30-40, a .44-40, and my wife's grandfather's 16 gauge double.  The shotgun had been cut down to use a a rabbit gun, and I had a heck of a time finding 16 gauge buckshot.  The deer ran to a nearby cabin where a bunch of hunters with modern weapons were sitting around a table playing cards.  They were more interested in the old 16 than their card game and even carried my deer back to my house for me.  This year, the 38-55 and the 45-70 come out of the safe.  I haven't hunted with the 45-70 for several years, since I killed a hog with it in Tennessee.

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« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2004, 12:38:54 PM »
For the past several years I have only hunted using original model 1886 Winchesters. I have several of 'em in different calibers. Fired up the .33 and .40-82 yesterday for a little boom session. Have plenty rounds ready to go, too. Don't think I'll give the 71 any exercise til inland season starts later in the month. Here in Ca. we're only allowed to hunt deer in the summer, when it's over 100 degrees. :lol:
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« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2004, 03:06:23 PM »
Danny.  I have a 1911 Win. Mod 94 38-55 that I have shot several deer with. I was just loading some 270 gr. cast bullets.  What do you use in your rifle for loads.      dwayne
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« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2004, 06:17:54 PM »
Howdy Leverfan,
You got me thinking.
It is going to be down to two guns for deer hunting this year.
My old model 71 with cast bullets or my old marlin in 32 Win.
Both with do the job and a deer will know what ended its life.
I have 30/30 dies if you need to load some rounds up for that old timer!
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« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2004, 07:11:46 PM »
Wilbe Lead-

We'll have to hook up if you're going rifle season for deer.  Mel is taking vacation to look after the kids while I hunt this year, and we might sweet talk my dad into watching them so that Mel can get some hunting in, too.

Thanks for the offer on the dies, but my dad has plenty of ammo for it, and I doubt he'll be hunting with it this year.

Are you going to let me try that 71? :)
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« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2004, 01:21:55 AM »
D Garfield,

I tried to pm you, but got an "invalid session" error message. I haven't shot the .38-55 much, but it is a 255 grain plain based bullet from a Lyman mold with xmp-5744. How did your load do on deer? What powder  did you use?

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« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2004, 03:38:29 AM »
MY WIN. 94 -450 MARLIN ISN'T OLD ,BUT I'M GOING TO HUNT WITH IT THE OLD FASHION WAY WITH OPEN SIGHTS.THE SWAMP WHERE I HUNT THERES NO SUCH THING AS A LONG SHOT ,BUT SOMETIMES YOU GOT TO GET IN THE THICK STUFF.I GOING TO GET AN OLDER LEVER I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT CAL. TO GET IT IN YET.GOOD LUCK HUNTING :-)


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« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2004, 01:10:41 PM »
I still use a Marlin Model 1936 in 30-30 in 2 years it'll be 70 and still going strong, come to think of it the rifle is only a couple of years older than me and in a lot better shape.
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« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2004, 05:03:31 PM »
I have an 1881 Marlin, 38-55, which has been in my family since it's original purchase by my grandfather.The gun won't be used this season, but in 2005, my grandson will be old enough to hunt on my property, and if he connects, it will be the fifth generation to take game with it...pretty special...
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« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2004, 08:08:58 AM »
Sand draw Jake,
Welcome to the forum, Hope you enjoy your visits here on GBO, Lots of good storys and good fellers to talk to. Love the old gun stories that have been handed down over the years. Good luck on all your future hunts and hope the little ones do good also, Stay safe............Joe................
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« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2004, 07:16:20 AM »
I'm sighted in and ready this year! I will be hunting with my model 1881 in .40-60 Marlin caliber. Half octagon 24" barrel, with factory buckhorn and blade combo. My load is a full case of ffg Cleanshot, and a 325 grain flat point cast from an old Marlin 1881 tool mold.
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« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2004, 11:01:38 AM »
My go to rifle is a 1955 Savage 99 model F featherweight...
Accurate, and great to carry. I use secure knock off mounts with a small Leupold....  Every once and a while I use the open sights.. What fun!

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« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2004, 09:01:33 PM »
sand draw Jake-

Welcome to Graybeard, and thanks for the great post.  The only thing better than hunting with a historical, nostalgic firearm is watching the younger generations do the same.
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« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2004, 11:27:38 AM »
I may end up by default hunting with my 94 big bore 375.  It is default only because I have planned this elk hunt for a long time and it's less than a month away now.  I just inherited the 375 and have never fired it and ammo is rare for it around here.  Not setup for reloading for it either yet.

My savage '06 bolt gun is getting a new scope but cannot find the proper base ring setup to set it back far enough for me,  soooooo

If I can't get that thing straight before time to go, I'll have to make some quick familiarization shots with the Win and try to get close.

All I have are the 200gr sp.  If I have to use it I will.  Don't get me wrong, I I was familiar with this gun I might just take the Savage as a backup gun.

Do you guys think the 200's will work inside 200yds?  I'd rather have heavier, but they are NOWHERE to be found.
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« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2004, 04:12:49 AM »
Hi All,

Over the past 45 years or so I have had the pleasure to hunt most big-game, upland game birds and waterfowl  throughout much of British Columbia.

Of course like most other hunters that fall hopelessly in love with the great outdoors and fair chase hunting, I have managed to collect my fair share of modern high-powered rifles suitable for anything that walks the face of the earth.

This year however, I'll be hunting deer with a rifle that is very old and holds a special spot in my heart.  That rifle is a model 1886 Winchester chambered for the .40-65 WCF that I inherited a few years back. When you hold a rifle that was manufactured way back in 1888, it kind of makes a fellow wish that the old Winchester could talk and tell of the hunts it's been on and all it has witnessed over the years.

Although it took a few years to find the brass, bullets, dies and loading data, I have finally have everything together. I took the rifle out last weekend to sight it in and was surprised at how well it shot. The old 1886 Winchester is once again ready to visit the mountains here in B.C.

If the weather holds, I'm heading out around the Kamloops area when all bucks are legal on October 1st. Keep ya posted.

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« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2004, 03:30:36 PM »
Hi All,

I am planning on taking a deer with my .45-2.1 Sharps. Haven't done that yet. I'll probably use a mild cast load in it!


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« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2004, 08:50:52 PM »
I like what I'm reading here.  I hope that folks come back and post the results of their hunts over the next couple of months!
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« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2004, 07:31:35 AM »
My last five deer have been taken with my Winchster 88 in .308.  The rifle will be 50 years old in 2006.  I still wish I could get the trigger to feel better than pulling on a hard sponge.  Off the bench it is MOA at 100 yards with a Weaver K-2.5 scope, despite the terrible trigger pull.

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« Reply #23 on: October 01, 2004, 07:43:34 AM »
Winter Hawk-

The 88 is a great rifle.  My first rifle was an 88 of about the same vintage as yours, also in .308 Winchester.  It was the first gun I ever shot, accounted for my first deer, and took the head off of my first grouse.  Of course, the 88 was about 50 years ahead of its time, so maybe it won't be an "according to Hoyle" nostalgia rifle for a few more years.  By then, any rifle that still sports a wooden stock might be considered nostalgic :) .
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« Reply #24 on: October 02, 2004, 11:10:37 PM »
I too enjoyed reading this thread, especially the 38-55 users....Doesn't the 38-55 look much more deadly than the 30-30 when you lay the rounds side by side.. :grin:   My main deer gun is a 1897 made, 94 SRC, 38-55, 45grs of goex really gets that soft lead bullet going...Good luck to all this season..

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« Reply #25 on: October 06, 2004, 08:05:47 PM »
Last weekend, my youngest son made a choice between a .270 and a '94 .32-40.  He chose the old Winchester.  Sunday, he brought home a forked horn mule deer.

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« Reply #26 on: October 08, 2004, 12:51:51 AM »
I use a 50+ year old (1953) Model 99 Savage lever-action rifle that shoots an 84 year old cartridge (the .300 Savage caliber introduced in 1920), but I don't fee I'm at any real disadvantage.

The .300 Savage cartridge was used as the basis for designing the .308 Winchester cartridge and with my accurate handloads (avg. 3/4" three shot groups @ 100 yards off the bench-rest) chronographed at 2680 fps with a 150 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip bullet, I don't really feel I'm at any particular disadvantage compared to my deer camp partners who use modern bolt-action rifles.


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« Reply #27 on: October 08, 2004, 05:49:33 AM »
Just like last year, my Win '95 with tang sight will be primary.  Accounted for a 185yd full curl goat, a good doe and a 100yd turkey.  Will use my 45-70 Win '86 with receiver sight and cast bullets for backup.  Used Grandpa's old Win 44 '92 and cast slugs for my spring gobbler at about 30 feet, just like the last several years.  They're easier to clean if you just shoot their heads off.  I save my 30 year old replica '66 for chasing jackrabbits.  A couple of pards have come up with a pair of 44-40 rifles and pistols each to haul around the pasture.  Saw that they got their 40-65's sighted in, too.  Guess they got jealous of my old irons stacking the cooler.  One of the others picked up a replica Schofield for this season.  Said his Casull was a bit much since we don't have anything bigger than Catalinas, hogs and whitetails.  Now if I can just get an afternoon to get that .58 Mountain Rifle sighted in, I could stick that Old Army under my jacket and...

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« Reply #28 on: October 09, 2004, 04:43:32 AM »
Yesterday morning my great uncle passed away. I had talked to him about three weeks ago and had asked him about my great grandpa's rifle and what would be happening with it in the future. After talking to my great aunt yesterday, my uncle had told her that he wanted me to have my great grandpa's rifle. So, this year I will be taking out a Winchester 1894 with a 26" full octagon barrel in 30-30 that was made sometime in the early 1900's I believe. I have only seen the rifle once so I am going off of memory, but I definantly remember that it was long, front heavy and really neat. The one thing I do know is that when my great grandpa bought this rifle, he bought from a neighbor and had the choice of a 38-55 or 30-30, both rifles were identical and he paid something like $15 - $20 or so for it. This rifle has a few deer and one bear under its belt, so maybe the hunting gods will let me add another deer to its record.
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« Reply #29 on: October 09, 2004, 11:22:39 AM »
257Robt-

I'm sorry to hear about your uncle's passing.  That's a sad way to come by that treasured rifle, but it should be a wonderful way to remember him, every time you use that rifle.

If you want to pin down an exact date for that rifle, try:

http://www.savage99.com/winchester1894_dates.htm
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