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« on: July 14, 2004, 09:03:32 AM »
Alright guys could not sell the whole gun, so who wants to buy a 450 marlin barrel. $60.00 shipped. Of coarse you always take  a chance it might not fit your recievers. Probally will but cannot be sure. (SOLD PENDING FUNDS)


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« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2004, 09:17:15 AM »
need to look at the bank . will let you know tonight
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« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2004, 09:18:06 AM »
No problem. Let me know.

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« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2004, 12:25:54 PM »
email me with the details brother you got a deal . esc_hell@hotmail.com
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« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2004, 02:55:24 PM »
I got BBF's 223 bull barrel today. Packed well with a car dealer label on the box (UPS guy said "I got you some car parts here") so nobody would think it was stealable gun parts.
Real nice looking barrel, can't even see any ring marks on the scope base. It's way larger than my 280 frame, I'm guessing five to ten thousandths, won't come close to latching.
Since metal is easier to remove than to add, I'm happy with the fit. Grinding the barrel pivot will probably take me less time than shipping the gun to H&R would have, and I got the barrel much cheaper. If the 450 is from the same frame, you won't have much worry about the barrel being loose in your frame.
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« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2004, 07:12:33 PM »
Mitch,

I have bought a couple of items from BBF and he has always done very well on packaging!  The items are always just like he described them too.  I shot them today without a hitch.

You probably already know a change in the hinge pin system will change the headspace.  

I have found the metal to be very soft when I remove metal from the locking shelf to make my barrels latch.

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« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2004, 02:13:12 AM »
Quote from: Paul5388

You probably already know a change in the hinge pin system will change the headspace.  


Handi-rifles don't have bolts, so headspace is a feature of the barrel. If there is ANY gap between the barrel and the standing breech, it will add to the headspace that the factory intended when they chambered the barrel.
When they fit the barrel so that it latches tightly against the breech, headspace should be in spec.

I have one new unfired handi that will take a no-go gage fully into the barrel with .001 to spare. Headspace on that barrel is .005" over minimum. .004 is no-go on my Forster gages, and .010 is field replace. Factory rep I talked to seems to think that anything short of field replace is safe, but they will replace the barrel if I decide to send the gun back and it accepts their no-go gage.

The barrel I got from BBF would be Ackley-improvable if I had a machinist face the barrel on a mill instead of working the hinge pivot to make it fit my frame. Would that make me the first to set a barrel back in a Handi frame for AI chambering?

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« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2004, 02:25:31 AM »
Hey guys, first let me say I'm not trying to hide the barrels with the car dealer label. That is were I work and they let me ship out UPS pretty cheap. I ship out parts and stuff all the time. So I always wrap items really good. Barrels can be shipped from anybody to anybody. I'm glad you guys are happy with your new barrels.


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« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2004, 02:55:20 AM »
Hey  :shock: ....I didn't get my barrel from you in one of those fancy camo car part  boxes..  I'm hurt.... :(
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« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2004, 03:18:25 AM »
Actually all were in some kinda of left over part boxes. :) How is the 30-30 barrel shooting Deadeye47. Have you been able to shoot it much.

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« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2004, 03:35:31 AM »
OK Guys I need your help and input. Mitch in MI wrote about "grinding the barrel pivot" (?) regarding fitting the .450 barrel to his frame.

Puul 5388 wrote this about fitting barrels to a frame:
"You probably already know a change in the hinge pin system will change the headspace.  

I have found the metal to be very soft when I remove metal from the locking shelf to make my barrels latch."

Here is the question, Where do you relieve metal from the barrel to fit it to your frame if in fact it is a bit to tight to close tightly?

Do you slowly and carefully relieve metal from the small circular cutout which is in the front of the barrel lug and engages to "pivot pin" which is inset into the front of the frame? This is what I always thought was the correct procedure.

Paul 5388, I am confused by your reference to the "locking shelf". Is that some part of the barrel lug (not to be confused with the forearm lug) that is attached by brazing or welding to the rear bottom portion of the barrel and becomes inset into the receiver when the gun is assembled?

What is the "locking shelf" referred to? Please advise...

What is the proper way to fit these barrels to your receiver? I also feel that the headspace in this type of firearm is a function of the barrel and it's proper fit to the receiver since there is no moveable bolt face. Thanks to all for the help....<><.... :grin:
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« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2004, 04:01:11 AM »
MSP:
The barrels are blued sometime after welding the lug and chambering. The circular cut in the front of the lug is finalized after bluing, I'm reasonable certain it's the way the barrel is fitted at the factory.
I also interpreted Paul's comment as saying he relieved the barrel lug surface that the receiver's latch hits to allow the latch to close fully. None of my guns allow the release lever to rise as far with the action closed as they do when open, I don't know if they are supposed to wear in or if all four are not properly fitted, but I assume it was intentional. I guess it's time to get out the Prussian Blue and find out how much latch contact area I have.

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« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2004, 04:16:11 AM »
I would not remove any material. If it locks really tight (tighter than normal) I have just opened and closed the action a lot. One barrel I still have fit a frame really tight, it would close but you had to close it pretty brisk. On the original barrel you see were the lock contacted the barrel lug and made a mark on the lug. Like I said I opened and closed the barrel a lot and guess what the secind barrel started getting the same mark on the barrel lug in the exact same place as the original barrel. It closes fine now. To me if the barrel is to loose, do not use it on that receiver. Try another reciever. Just my 2 cents.


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« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2004, 05:04:28 AM »
Thanks guys,  I have a barrel that won't quite close and lock up. I am wondering the proper way to make it close. What is the "locking shelf" referred to and how do you file/fit it if you do at all?....<><.... :grin:
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« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2004, 05:29:31 AM »
There is an angled shelf just below the ejector that sometimes has forging material still on it.  If it isn't locking up properly, it MAY be that excess material.  My .357 barrel came from NEF, fitted to my receiver, and still failed to lock up properly.  By smoothing the locking shelf, it locks up perfectly now.  

Prussian blue would be a very good check, or the wear marks in the blueing would give a good indication of how deep and squarely the lock is moving.  If the release isn't coming up high enough, I would normally suspect the shelf as part of the problem, not the hinge pin.  Of course, the ejector could have some junk in it that keeps it partially open, that would cause the barrel clearance to be reduced.

The hinge pin and barrel socket for the hinge pin are areas that should never need messing with, unless the barrel won't even close.  Tolerances are usually close enough, with modern techniques, so they can turn out endless barrels with the same pin to receiver dimensions.  They are always machined for final fit after blueing.  The locking shelf isn't touched after the initial forging and blueing.

I had a barrel the other day, on a "NM" SB2 receiver , that never did lock up properly (it popped open after every shot), even after smoothing the shelf.  I ended up putting that barrel on a shotgun receiver that allowed it to lockup and took the .22 Hornet barrel that was on the shotgun receiver and put it on the "NM" receiver.  Everything works perfectly now.

I would think leftoverdj would have more knowledge on this subject than I have.  I'm just telling you what worked for me.

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« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2004, 05:30:43 AM »
MSP:
If you are trying to fit a barrel to a receiver that it wasn't originally fitted to, you should remove metal at the point that rides on the receiver hinge pin.
I'd get a 3/8" (or maybe 23/64", which should be pretty close to 3/8" with the paper) rod, wrap one layer of 320 or 400 wet or dry sandpaper on it, and give it a couple of strokes, holding the rod perpendicular to the barrel lug. Check frequently, you don't want to remove too much and increase headspace. (Or, if I lived in MA, I might just take it to the factory and see if they'd fit it for $15)

If the barrel was fitted at the factory, I think BBF has the right idea on letting it wear in by closing it a few times.

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« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2004, 07:25:01 AM »
Thanks guys, you have answered my questions. Your information matches nicely to what I had already been told. Don't you just love it when different information comes together and and it all fits....<><.... :grin:
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« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2004, 07:42:12 AM »
bbf the $60 postal money order is in the mail heading to the address you gave me . i mailed it at noon so should be at your house monday or tuesday.
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« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2004, 07:50:05 AM »
Thanks Mitchell, I'll ups it out Monday. You should have it Tuesday or Wednesday.


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« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2004, 10:54:26 AM »
hey BBF !!! -

shipping me the stuff in the "Car Parts" box was perfect !! i got home from lunch and there was a box on my desk, my wife said "oh look, here's a box of car parts for you". now if can get my gun dealer to do that i'll be in like flint !

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p.s - that wood stock is really nice, really rich color compared to newer stuff.
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« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2004, 11:26:37 AM »
ScatterGunner that stock was off my 7mm-08. I had people tell me it was stained laminated, but it does not lock laminated to me.

PS---Have your gun dealer go by a local car dealership and pick up some boxes. Hmmm, that may be a good way to get our stuff in the house past the wife. Sure beats waiting till she goes to bed. :)


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« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2004, 09:05:50 AM »
BBF,
  My 7mm-08 came with the Uncheckered laminated stock. Like you I had wondered about it being laminated, but I refinished it, and that stain had hid a lot of the woods features, including the lamination.
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« Reply #22 on: July 19, 2004, 04:07:11 AM »
Don, it must be laminated then because part of the stock looked like it and part of it did not.


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« Reply #23 on: July 20, 2004, 02:48:32 AM »
bbf please give me a pm ,post, email, or something when the money order gets there. and by the way i had mom put the money order in her name so if there were any legal concerns (i'm 17).
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« Reply #24 on: July 20, 2004, 03:35:02 AM »
BBF-  While talking about the 450 Marlin,  how did it shoot?  Did you use the Hornady 350's and if so, what were the groups and the kick like.  I am looking at either the 45-70 or the 450 M.  I know all common sense says go with the 45-70, but I'm still more interested in the 450 Marlin.  By any chance could you weigh the 450 barrel alone?  I am trying to calculate recoil with my ultra receiver and heavy laminated stock.   I love my bull barrel 243 in that it soaks up a lot of recoil, but I imagine either 45-70 or 450 will significantly show up on the radar.  Hey if the sales pending dont go through, I would be interested in the purchase.

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« Reply #25 on: July 20, 2004, 04:38:32 AM »
BuzzKill firt off the 450 marlin was shooting right around 3/8 to 1/2 inch, 5 shot groups at 50 yards. Seemed to be really accurate. I Calculated the Ultra at  about 28 to 30  ft.lbs. recoil. I had a synthetic stock on it for around 6 or 8 shots. Talk about rock you I'm getting ready to box the barrel up in a little bit. I'll weight it and let you know. I have shot it like 8 to 12 times in a row sighting it in and did not have any problems with recoil, unless you get your eye to close to the scope. Then it feels like someone smacked you with a hammer. My advice is get the 45-70 if you want more than one factory load. The 450 marlin with the hornady 350 grain factory load will work on about anything, but if want to plink you have no lite loads to choose from unless you handload.


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« Reply #26 on: July 20, 2004, 05:07:01 AM »
Just a shade over 3 1/2 lbs. BuzzKill.

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« Reply #27 on: July 20, 2004, 05:10:31 AM »
BBF-  Wow, great shooting.  Thanks for the info.  Good luck with any new purchases.

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« Reply #28 on: July 20, 2004, 06:27:21 AM »
Quote from: BuzzKill
BBF-  While talking about the 450 Marlin,  how did it shoot?  Did you use the Hornady 350's and if so, what were the groups and the kick like.  I am looking at either the 45-70 or the 450 M.  I know all common sense says go with the 45-70, but I'm still more interested in the 450 Marlin.  By any chance could you weigh the 450 barrel alone?  I am trying to calculate recoil with my ultra receiver and heavy laminated stock.   I love my bull barrel 243 in that it soaks up a lot of recoil, but I imagine either 45-70 or 450 will significantly show up on the radar.  Hey if the sales pending dont go through, I would be interested in the purchase.


sorry man i WANT THIS GUN i'm not letting it slip through. hey BBF did you get the money order?
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« Reply #29 on: July 20, 2004, 06:55:00 AM »
Yes, Mitchell I did. I emailed you that it is going out today and give you the tracking #.


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