Author Topic: Shot placement- Whitetail Deer (Read 4893 times)

goose7856 · « **Reply #30 on:** July 13, 2004, 07:39:39 AM »

Your right I'm already deadddddddd...............

OK, marylandeer, sry if I was wrong.

Zachary-- how does the hornady light Magnum Load compare, in I guess bullet dynamics, and fps??

thanx

flintlock · « **Reply #31 on:** July 13, 2004, 08:10:53 AM »

goose...You need a trip to the range...let your rifle tell you what you need to shoot...If you anticipate longer shots, stick with a boat tail design...if you don't like ballistic tips, thats fine...in a 30-06 any bullet made for deer in the 150-165 weight range will work...if you feel better with a Light Mag. then try them, but they aren't really necessary on a deer...the big question is which bullet will your rifle group best, buy 4-5 boxes of different bullets and have fun...after seeing which groups best, try out to 250 and 300 yards, you may end up with 2-3 that do about the same...then shoot 4-5 deer with each, and see which one gives the performance on game that you want...after I decide on a bullet for my rifle I buy several boxes of the same lot number, number each box and try 2-3 from each box to make sure they all shoot where I want them...flintlock

High Brass · « **Reply #32 on:** July 13, 2004, 08:39:09 AM »

Lots of good gouge here, flintlock's post was right on. I'll add two more cents if I may. You could probably shoot a dozen deer with the same load at the same range and all and you'd probably get at least a couple different results. Ten may drop while two may run and so on. There's no absolutes in deer hunting and I can appreciate your need to drop a deer in thick covered terrain as I hunt in eastern NC. A shoulder shot will most often drop a deer at the spot but at the cost of some meat, no way around it. Whether its a spoon full or a bag full you are gonna lose at least some meat. If you are a shoulder shooter, then a tougher bullet like a Nosler partition, Speer grand slam, Barnes X, a bonded bullet, etc. would most likely benefit you. If you wish to save shoulder meat and opt for a behind the shoulder shot, a more violent expanding bullet may benefit you. Problem is, we as hunters can only choose which shots we take and not what's offered by game. In other words, you may end up passing on shots that you're unsure of that bullets particular capabilities. If you have a successfull track record with a particular load then stick with it. I'm sure that I'm not the only one that has often wondered what bullet (pick one) would do better than the current one in the chamber. There are many, many good bullets in both component and factory format available in 30-06. Its basically a matter of what your rifle likes and how you like the performance that it gives for your style of hunting/sized game. Good luck

Lawdog · « **Reply #33 on:** July 13, 2004, 11:13:47 AM »

goose7856,

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Lawdog, how do the Nosler 165 grain Partitions compare to the Federal Premium High Energy Bear Bonded in price??

My reloaded 165 gr. Partitions are much lower in price.

Lawdog

longwinters · « **Reply #34 on:** July 13, 2004, 11:37:54 AM »

Nosler Partitions, 165gn for 30 cal run about 21.95 - 23.95. They are an excellent bullet.

Long

goose7856 · « **Reply #35 on:** July 13, 2004, 12:23:19 PM »

Since I just spent ever last dollar I own on a scope and a rangefinder, I will have to wait a month or two before I can tell the results. Right now I have two boxes (1 of 2 diff. kinds) they are both Federal Premium 150 grain, 2910. One is Vital Shock and the other is power shock. I have about 10 shots left in Vital Shock and a brand new box of power shock. I am thinking they will fly the same, but I don't know. The federal CS said the power shock is an "older model", so they may shoot differently. I may try to go to the local gun store, and try to replace the power shocK with some vital shock, and just stick with what has been successful.

Any other info is helpful, but I would like to thank all of you for taking your time to give me some very helpful info.

THANX!!

goose7856 · « **Reply #36 on:** July 13, 2004, 01:53:08 PM »

Is the Hornady SST (Super Shock Tipped) Bullet a ballistic tip??

I am thinking it is...........because I think the Interbond bullet is the "solid" style bullet.

Zachary · « **Reply #37 on:** July 13, 2004, 02:14:46 PM »

Yes, the SST is a plastic-tip bullet. The essential difference between the SST and the Interbond is that the Interbond is a bonded bullet with a thicker jacket.

Zachary

goose7856 · « **Reply #38 on:** July 13, 2004, 05:52:42 PM »

Does anyone carry the Interbond in 150 grain for a 30-06 Light Magnum?? I saw it at the Hornady website, but I think I would be able to get it for cheaper from somewhere else. They sell it for $35 and I have seen similar Light Magnum Loads for $22 at other places...I know there has to be another spot, does anyone know where??

Thanx

flintlock · « **Reply #39 on:** July 14, 2004, 05:02:03 AM »

goose...What good is a range finder, if you don't have enough bullets??? :-D ...........Sorry just had to throw that in....flintlock

goose7856 · « **Reply #40 on:** July 14, 2004, 06:07:33 AM »

HAHA..........I still have bullets just not the kind I want. I have about 30 remaining, one new box that hopefully I can return and buy the type of bullet I want, and half of a box of the Vital Shock

Zachary · « **Reply #41 on:** July 14, 2004, 06:16:56 AM »

Quote from: goose7856

Does anyone carry the Interbond in 150 grain for a 30-06 Light Magnum?? I saw it at the Hornady website, but I think I would be able to get it for cheaper from somewhere else. They sell it for $35 and I have seen similar Light Magnum Loads for $22 at other places...I know there has to be another spot, does anyone know where??

Thanx

Do a search on the internet. I have purchased from cheaperthandirt, wholesale hunter, and others that I can't remember right now. Oh, also warner guns.

Zachary

goose7856 · « **Reply #42 on:** July 14, 2004, 06:25:34 AM »

Actually, last night I was searching for some cheap ammo, to "just get me on the paper", so I would not have to waste any of the good bullets. I was searching for some "Silver Bear" bullets that are selling at cheaper than dirt for $5 (box of twenty). As I said that is only to save good bullets. I did find the exact Hornady bullets I was looking for, it was at a website called amback, or something near those words. I put it in my favorites but can't remember exactly the name. They sell the Hornady 165 and 150 grain Light Magnum 30-06 Interbond for $23 when Hornady is selling theirs at their website for $35.

Zachary · « **Reply #43 on:** July 14, 2004, 06:35:17 AM »

See, now that's a pretty good deal.

Zachary

Zachary · « **Reply #44 on:** July 14, 2004, 10:14:10 AM »

Goose,

Guess what?

I just a catalog from www.sportsmansguide.com. They sell .30-06 Light Magnum ammo for under $20. I'm not sure if they are interbond, but you can take a look.

Zachary

goose7856 · « **Reply #45 on:** July 14, 2004, 12:06:14 PM »

Thanx.....based on the fps on the items listed.......I think they are not the magnum loads even though the picture suggests. The bullet that I am lookig into buying has a 3100 fps. None of the bullets on this website have that. But thanx anyways because it has some cheap ammo that can "get me on the paper". Olympic loads, 20 rounds, under $5.

goose7856 · « **Reply #46 on:** July 14, 2004, 12:46:20 PM »

Nevermind Zachary........I see where you are talking about. They have the SPBT but not the interbond.....but it is about $5 cheaper.

Blaine · « **Reply #47 on:** July 14, 2004, 02:52:51 PM »

I too don't like wasting venison. The deer are too scarse up in my neck of the woods :cry: I use a premium bullet (like a Nosler partition or Nosler accubond) and I aim for a point about 1/3 of the way up from the brisket with my vertical crosshair on a line formed by the back side of the front leg (on a broadside shot). This puts the impact point right square in the vitals. I've never had a deer run more than 50 yards and they always leave good blood trails. Most drop on the spot.

Blaine

goose7856 · « **Reply #48 on:** July 14, 2004, 04:16:40 PM »

Otherwise you just shoot right behind the shoulder........

Longcruise · « **Reply #49 on:** July 15, 2004, 06:19:30 PM »

Goose, ya may as well quit wasting your money on loaded ammo. You're going to end up rolling your own so you may as well spring for the reloading gear now. You'll never buy factory ammo again

goose7856 · « **Reply #50 on:** July 16, 2004, 08:20:39 AM »

Why do you say that?? :wink:

Big · « **Reply #51 on:** July 16, 2004, 04:16:51 PM »

Jeepers Crow, guys, just shoot the darned deer. .223-.300 WM, .50 cal muzzle-loader, soft point, hollow point, no point, partition, boat tail, or any other ammo-manufacturer-money-making-gimmick, a fast-moving chunk of hot metal through the lungs is gonna kill the deer. don't git so wrapped up about it.

Longcruise · « **Reply #52 on:** July 17, 2004, 07:01:21 AM »

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don't git so wrapped up about it.

Hey big, you tryin to take the fun out of this or what??

"The right of the people to BS incessantly about, and split hairs over, shooting and firearms shall not be infringed" :grin:

Big · « **Reply #53 on:** July 17, 2004, 06:07:12 PM »

Heehee! :grin: Shucks, naw. Just cutting through the BS so that any new hunter reading this doesn't get confused.

Tbaus · « **Reply #54 on:** July 18, 2004, 03:52:00 AM »

In answer to where to shoot a deer (the original question before the thread changed to what bullet to shoot) I shoot my deer in the head when I want to make meat. If the deer is 150 yds or less and presents it's head so I can get a good shot at it that's where I shoot. I too shoot in the woods, East Texas woods. I shot a doe last year just under 150 yards with my 3x9 scoped 6.5x55 139 gr soft point bullet. I aimed just atop the eyes -between the eyes. The shot blew off a chunk of the skull. The doe dropped like a rock. I then shot a spike buck at about 40 yards when he walked through the woods near the tree I was sitting in. He had his head down so I shot him right behind the head with the bullet going into his skull. Both deer dropped like a rock. Someone earlier said it is too risky. I don't understand that at all. I must admit I go to the range 2-3 times a month, most months and practice with the rifle at 50, 100 and occasionally 200 yards to remain proficient. If a good head shot does not present itself, then I go to the heart -lung-vitals area. Too many hunters wait until November to pull the rifle out of the safe and then shoot 10 or less rounds somewhere and then go hunting. Nothing beats practice. I also picked the rifle because the buttstock is short enough that I can easily shoulder the weapon with insulated overalls and a coat on. You need to be able to repeat the placement of the butt on your shoulder, exactly... Good shootin'...

goose7856 · « **Reply #55 on:** July 18, 2004, 05:50:49 AM »

You are one hell of a shot! I'm only 15 so I don' think I could make 150 yard head shot, but I could make a head shot on a deer at 50 yards. I am able to keep the groupings at about .5 inch at 100 yards, so that is consisent, and I am only able to shoot like you said, before the season starts. Thanx for the grear advice, and keep it comin'

Tbaus · « **Reply #56 on:** July 18, 2004, 03:06:33 PM »

It sounds to me if you can keep a .5" group at 100 yards you will be able to do a headshot at 150yds. I will not recommend that shot for your first deer as most likey your heart will be racing 100mph, but once you've killed a couple of deer you will settle down and be able to concentrate on your shot placement. To be honest, I aimed as I said, between the eyes and just above the top line of the eyes. My shot was about an inch left and a tad higher than the eye line, more like over her left eye, but nonetheless that did the trick. Practice, practice, practice, then practice some more! Good shootin'...

goose7856 · « **Reply #57 on:** July 19, 2004, 09:02:47 AM »

It will not be my first deer. I have shot seven (7). I may be able to make the shot, but as you said I need to practice, practice, practice!! My heart does still race some, but not as much. I just have to compose myself before I take the shot. Thanx, and maybe by the end of this hunting year I will be able to shoot 'em in the head!! :-D

Mac11700 · « **Reply #58 on:** July 20, 2004, 06:50:40 AM »

What you need to do to save some money in the long run...and it has been said before...is to start reloading your own...that way you can taylor the load to your rifle...and as you'll find out sooner or later...having the highest velocity load doesn't mean it will be the most accurate load out of your rifle...sometimes it can...but a-lot of times it won't.

If your shots are close in 150 yards or less and your using the light magnum ammo of Hornady...your not going to get your drop on the spot kind of reaction your hoping for...unless you not only take out a shoulder and put it thru the heart/ lung area...and to do this you'll need a good quartering away shot so that the bullet exits the off shoulder after going thru the vital areas first,even then you won't always have them drop in their tracks and they may move some on you...but doing it this way...you'll have a grat blood trail to track them and theyusually won't go to far.....putting the bullet thru the near shoulder will destroy more meat than needed...granted...this would be the ideal way of doing it..and sometimes you can't always get a perfect shot...but waiting for your shot is sometimes the best way to hunt...spine shots/head shots...are a good way of crippling your deer if you or your rifle not up to making the shot....You can't always get the deer to do what you want and you have to deceide if your going to be hunting at long range or up close...so you'll have to find a load that will give you great accuracy at 100 yards and good accuracy at 400 and a bullet that will hold up well at 100 and still readily expand at 400....this makes what your looking far fall under a one of the premium bullet loadings and it seems like the Noslers or the Scirocco or A-frame loads would work well for you...they will hold up great and readily expand at the longer ranges,and usually shoot great from many different rifles..

Here's another source for you to check ...they have some good sales quite often
www.natchezss.com

Good luck

Mac

Longcruise · « **Reply #59 on:** July 20, 2004, 08:24:18 AM »

Take Mac's advice, you won't go wrong! :-)