Author Topic: .30/06 velocities (Read 1992 times)

goose7856 · « **Reply #30 on:** July 18, 2004, 10:09:25 AM »

Does Barnes make a bullet for a 30-06?? I went to their website, but do not understand what caliber they are talking about when they say like a 7.62x55 or something to that extent. I do not know what decimals to look for when they are referring to a 30-06. Can you explain. I wanted to look into the Barnes Triple Shock, but did not know if they made it in the 30-06 caliber

Thanx

Zachary · « **Reply #31 on:** July 18, 2004, 11:12:58 AM »

Yes, Barnes makes bullets for the 30-06. In fact, the .30-06 is a .308 inch bullet.

Ammo makers have ammo for the .30-06 with the Barnes. PMC has 150, 165 and 180 grain Barnes X for the .30-06.

Also, Federal now has Barnes new TSX bullet in the .30-06, although I don't remember which weight it is. Go to their website and you'll see it.

I haven't shot the new TSX ammo yet, but in my .30-06, I shoot the PMC 165 Barnes X and it's an awesome all round bullet for both deer and hogs.

Zachary

Larry Gibson · « **Reply #32 on:** July 19, 2004, 12:02:06 PM »

Lawdog

We usually agree on most things, however, in this case we do not agree. I am not looking for an argument here but merely wish to point out that the mistake made was yours and you are erroniously blaming good bullets that you missused by refering to them as "cheap".

"In the cases where I was the one doing the shooting I didnt loose any deer but chasing them for over a half a mile in one case before the killing shot could be administered was something you dont forget easily. This Mule Deer buck was shot with a 150 gr. Nosler Ballistic Tip out of my .300 Weatherby Magnum at a range of 170 yards."

If you go back to my first post in this thread you will see your choice of using the 150 ballistic tip bullet at .300 Weatherby velocity turned an otherwise decent deer bulet (at intended velocities under 2900 fps) into a varmint bullet. Or you did just about the same thing I referred to when mentioning the guy who complained because the 170 gr 30-30 bullets were too explosive on deer at the 2900 fps he pushed them from his '06. The mistake he made was the same mistake you made; wrong bullet for the cartridge's velocity. In the case of the .300 Weatherby the choice of a premium bulet is the right choice as I also said. However, this thread is about 30-06 velocities NOT magnum velocities. Thus what applies to a 300 Weatherby does not apply to the 30-06. Premium bullets are not necessary for use in the 30-06. The "cheap" bullets do just fine.

Larry Gibson

Lawdog · « **Reply #33 on:** July 20, 2004, 08:43:22 AM »

LMG,

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However, this thread is about 30-06 velocities NOT magnum velocities.

No argument at all. I agree that is what we are talking about. The Ballistic Tip doesnt work over 2,850-2,900 fps and my favorite load in my .30-06s is 57 gr. of H4350 for 2,959 fps. using Nosler 165-gr. Partition bullets. Swap the Partition for a Ballistic Tip and it does not want to hold together. Why should I download just to use the Ballistic Tip because that is what I would have to do to insure it holding together. I am a BIG fan of Nosler bullets and have been since the early 1960s. When Nosler first came out with the Ballistic Tip I took one look at it and thought to myself man looks like the answer to a hunters dream. I ordered two boxes each of .257 and .308 bullets and waited with baited breath until they arrived. When they arrived I locked myself away in my reloading shed and loaded up loads for my four favorite cartridges(.25-06, .257 Weatherby, .30-06 and .300 Weatherby). At the range they proved to be really accurate and I couldnt wait for hunting season to begin. Using the Weatherby Magnums the bullets fragmented badly so I figured they would work out of the .25-06 and the .30-06. WRONG. The bullets still fragmented, although not as badly but gave no exit wound. I am sorry if you take exception with my use of the term cheap in referring to these type of bullets but to me that is just what they are when they dont perform up to expectations. Again Sorry but I intend to keep using the term cheap when referring to these bullets. Small groups and tight lines to you. Lawdog

goose7856 · « **Reply #34 on:** July 26, 2004, 06:28:11 PM »

HAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!

I just figured it out. It took me long enough, but I finally realized what you were all saying about using a premium bullet. Almost all bullets are going to fly at the same fps. I know that certain models "catch the wind", and other are better for long range but all in all they all fly about the same.

It all comes down to which bullet will do what you expect to the best of its abilities.........RIGHT??

I was just messing around looking at the Nosler website, and I really liked the look of the new Accubond CT. I do wish they made it in a little lighter load, bc the lightest is 180 grains, but when comparing the Accubond to the Interbond made by hornady, their is very little difference. Now if the Interbond opens correctly and mushrooms, does not blow up on contact, and shoots well out the gun, then it is the load for me. I really do not want the 180 grain, but they do not make a smaller grain bullet for a 30-06. The difference b/t the interbond and accubond is really only about 3 inch, at 300 yards, and I doubt I would have the balls to shoot at one any farther than that. THE ONLY THING THAT BOTHERS ME ABOUT THE ACCUBOND IS THE LOW WEIGHT RETENTION!!!???

It is advertised that is only retains 60%-70% of its mass. But one thing I read at another forum is this: A guy shot a few round at a target shooting 200 grain AccuBonds. Right behind the target was a mound of hard packed sand. He said it was about 10 yards farther back. He shot a few rounds, and then went and found all the bullets. The AVERAGE weight retention was 102 grains. He said he is sold on them, bc the vitals, and even a bone, is not as hard as a block of sand, and if they can withstand that, then they will withstand anything. Just thought some of you would like to know that.

Another question I have is if the Accubonds are part solid bullet part ballistic tip. Because they have the plastic tip, wouldn't that make them partially a ballistic tip, and the rest is similar to a normal Nosler Partition???

I going to do exactly what all of you have said. I will go buy a box of the Light Magnum Interbond in 150 grain, and sight it in the see how they group. If they are sub 1 inch (hopefully about about .5 inch) then I will just return the Accubonds, and be done with it. If they do not shoot well, then the next bullet will be the Accubonds. Does this sound like a good plan??

Thanx and please respond ASAP........so that I can get use to my new scope, and the new rounds. THANX

High Brass · « **Reply #35 on:** July 27, 2004, 12:34:54 AM »

Goose,

I didn't think about those bonded bullets. I figure the interbond or accubond(whichever one shoots best) would be an excellent bullet for your needs. Good luck with your search.

longwinters · « **Reply #36 on:** August 01, 2004, 11:05:16 AM »

I loaded up Interbonds. They shot well. One thing I like about them is that they mushroom well at lower velocities as well as higher velocities. I have also ordered the Nosler Accubonds. Like you said, seems to be a mix of the Ballistic tip and the Partition. I am loading the Accubonds up for my 7mm and have seen some good accuracy. I am not sure about returning ammo tho. In my neck of the woods only one store will allow you to return ammo. Must be some legal thing.

Long

lilabner · « **Reply #37 on:** August 06, 2004, 04:34:18 AM »

If you are considering the Hornady Light Magnums, you need to know that the advertised velocities were apparently achieved with strong tail winds. The chronograph tells a different story, according to a website I found recently searching under Hornady Light Magnum. As for bullets holding together, there are a couple of sides to the argument. A bullet built for deep penetration in large animals isn't necessarily the best for antelope or small deer. Small, light boned animals seem to go down quicker when hit by a bullet that expends its energy inside them, rather than those that exit under a full head of steam and waste their energy elsewhere. Of course, if there are big bears in the neighborhood, I'd want a heavily built bullet just in case one tried to eat me.

goose7856 · « **Reply #38 on:** August 06, 2004, 10:23:57 AM »

I understand what you are saying about "bonded bullets are not the best for thin-skinned animals", eyt I shoot for the front shoulder. Thus, I am trying to break one, or even both shoulders with the shot so they drop.......wouldn't this be a useful bullet for that style of shooting?? If it breaks both front shoulders and keep traveling, then I have no problem at all with that......b/c the deer is going to move with only 2 legs, and plus it will take out parts of the lungs and anything else that gets in the way........so wouldnt that be a good bullet choice for a front shoulder shot??

Thanx alot for everyones input......and keep it coming!!