Author Topic: hard cast 44 mag and deer hunting. (Read 1137 times)

fffffg · « **on:** July 01, 2004, 08:27:24 PM »

im here to ask a question of you pistol hunters.. i have a 1926 drilling shotgun/ rifle that is 16x16x 8.7.. the rifle below the 16 guage barrels will be shooting a 200 grain hard cast lead bullet at about 1300-1400 feet persecond.. the better ballistic coeficient gives me similar power at 100 yards to the 44 magnum.. i would like to draw on your experience of what will happen, or what trouble will be coused by shooting a deer at 100 yards with a hard cast bullet hitting it in the shoulder for one example or lungs.. if any of you have personal experience with this please let me know.. i cant use solft lead bullets in this gun because the long jump from bullet to rifleing, , and shallow rifleling stripps them in the breach causing heavy leading there..., jacket bullets for .360 caliber are not available ... thanks dave..

WD45 · « **Reply #1 on:** July 02, 2004, 01:28:11 AM »

Well,
The way I kind of see it. The biggest drawback you have is the small caliber. A hard cast bullet in that caliber is a heck of a penetrator but has virtually no expansion at all so it just punches a small hole all the way thru. They have to bleed out so you have to think a little more like a bow hunter because they will run and if you are in thick cover you may have a hard time finding it. That is one reason hand gun hunters opt for the big bore guns. They punch a bigger hole so bleed out is quicker even with hard cast where there is no expansion. A 45 cal bullet is going to punch a hole you can stick your finger thru with no expansion but that 36 cal is the size of a pencil. Using flat nosed bullets will help if you can due to the increased shock value the flat nose gives as it goes thru. If you cast your own I have seen people use very soft lead in the nose and pour the rest with hard in order to help get around this type of problem. .... Ok boys someone else chime in :grin:

Castaway · « **Reply #2 on:** July 02, 2004, 04:52:08 AM »

Another option is to paper patch a 200 grain bullet. It would involve an extra step or two, but you could size down a 0.358 soft lead bullet with a Lee. 9 mm sizing die and then patch it up to a smidgen over 0.360". Patching should solve the problem with your bullet stripping the lands. The soft lead would give expansion, but as I see it, you still have a velocity problem. 1,400 f/s is a bit on the minimum side for a 200 grainer but will certainly work on close-in deer.

Blackhawk44 · « **Reply #3 on:** July 02, 2004, 09:01:12 AM »

Be sure to actually slug the inside diamter of that bore. You may be able to use .358 bullets for the 35 Remington from Hornady, Speer or Sierra. Even though slightly undersized, they may perform better than you might think. Over the years a number of rounds have used slightly undersized slugs in factory ammo to good effect. Depending on your dies, you may have to run your case necks partially into a .357 pistol sizer to get a good grip on the bullets. About the worst that could happen is you wind up with some extra bullets for a future TC Contender project. Contacting Ross Seyfried through Handloader magazine could be of great help since he has done a good bit of work with the European .360's.

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #4 on:** July 02, 2004, 09:33:14 AM »

Ive shot a couple deer with hardcast .35 rem bullets and only trouble was with the deer not me. It died! Both went about 50 yards and left a good blood trail. Both shot through the lungs.

Dusty Miller · « **Reply #5 on:** July 02, 2004, 10:16:21 AM »

I'm currently reading "Handgun Hunting: How to Travel the World in Pursuit of Wild Game!" by Mark Hampton. Concerning jacketed vs cast bullets he says, "A good expanding jacketed bullet such as the Hornady XTP and Winchester's Partition Gold causes more damage to vital organs and simply kills faster" than cast bullets do. Make of it what you will.

myronman3 · « **Reply #6 on:** July 02, 2004, 05:02:51 PM »

i wonder if that guy ever shot a big hog square in the gristle plate with a jacketed bullet? or if he ever shot a bear and those bullets didnt penetrate deep enough?
i havent killed enough animals with cast or with jacketed bullets to make any clear judgements about what kills faster or better. so far what i have seen is that they both kill just fine when you hit them good and bullets are matched to the game.

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #7 on:** July 03, 2004, 12:36:07 AM »

I agree with myronman jacketed "MAY" kill thin skinned game like deer a little faster but dead is dead! Hunting at least with a handgun is a penetration game. I too have seen jacketed bullets fail miserably on pig and bear out of a handgun. To be fair to then though out of my .35 rem i say its a toss up Ive dropped deer with both and had them run off 100 yards with both. One thing i know for sure though is a good cast bullet on or behind the shoulder of any animal and its going to die! Cant make that blanket statement about jacketed

welderburn2000 · « **Reply #8 on:** July 03, 2004, 02:29:18 PM »

:twisted: :evil:

fffffg · « **Reply #9 on:** July 04, 2004, 05:54:53 AM »

im basicly a shotgunner and iv got this drilling.. i pattern, do pennetration tests, figure velocity/pellet size difference, figure average shooting distance and on and on and its imprtant with all the different kinds of shot game sizes,etc available.. mostly if you follow factory recomondations for loaded shells youll be ok.but im reloading for this one. . i tend to cary this over to rifles, and lloyd your right, its a single pill, put it in the basket and the deer is dead.. if i dont have enough power for shoulder shot ill have to go for the lungs.. so a hard cast bullet may be my best luck for an all round deer bullet with this 200 grain 1300-1400 feet per second slug.. its strange it has a slow twist rate, 1-24.. it tumbled when i dug some bullets out of the dirt.. this could work to my advantage and could work as a disadvantage as to where i hit it.. there i go over analizeing things again :oops: ... thanks dave..