Author Topic: Has Remington improved their quality control? (Read 1662 times)

His lordship. · « **on:** June 18, 2004, 05:51:54 AM »

Last year Remington was getting alot of people mad due to their bad quality control, this year it is Taurus handguns that has everyone peeved. I bought a Remington 597 rimfire rifle last year and did not have any problems, but I only made this purchase due to my dealer having an in house gunsmith who would back me up on it.

As I recall lots of Remington 700's were leaving the factory with serious errors, and then the company would take months to send the rifles and their shotguns back, and the problem was often not fixed. I have not seen any gripes lately, have they improved their quality control?

Thanks.

Zachary · « **Reply #1 on:** June 18, 2004, 06:57:44 AM »

I will be the first to tell you that Remington's quality has gone down over the years, but I will also tell you that I have never had any problems with any of my 700s. I have not purchased any Remingtons lately (like the past 8 months or so), but I find it hard to believe that any company can make any real difference in quality control in such a short period of time.

I haven't heard anything about Taurus. I bought 3 RBs about 2 or 3 years ago and never had any problems with them. What are people "peeved" about with the Taurus guns?

To me, right now the best value for the money is Tikka - hands down. Their quality is tremendous and their price is about the same as a Remchester. I sure wish Remington, which has an excellent 700 action, would have the Quality of a Tikka.

Zachary

Omaha-BeenGlockin · « **Reply #2 on:** June 18, 2004, 07:23:00 AM »

No gripes lately because the word is out and nobody is buying their junk anymore.

His lordship. · « **Reply #3 on:** June 18, 2004, 09:07:03 AM »

Zachery...you should check out GB's Taurus site. It appears that their Raging Bull line of revolvers are not as bad as the other products. But man, lots of angry people. I recently sold all 4 of my Taurus handguns, they were made in the late 1990's, so they were ok, but still had a few problems, like irregular timing, poor fit of hammer and trigger parts.

I used to have a Remington 700 in .243, nice gun as it was made in the early 1990's. I sold it as the accuracy was mediocre, but then again I have heard that the .243 cartridge is not all that much of a tack driver, so maybe I should of had the gun rebarreled to .308 or .223, oh well, live and learn.

I wanted to own a few Tikkas, as I was adding some good hunting rifles to my collection, they were tough to find though, so I bought 4 CZ brand rifles instead. Very nice guns.

I thought that with the complaints of last year, maybe Remington made changes, or perhaps I am being too optimistic . I have noticed that the BDL line has really cheapened recently. I once considered the Rem. 700 BDL to be a thing of beauty, with the engraved receiver, nice walnut stock, smooth blued finish. The ones I am seeing recently look more like a budget ADL, and they want even more money for em', sure, cheapen the gun, and ask for more money!!! :x

Anyone buy a 700 over the last year, what did you think of it?

Camp Cook · « **Reply #4 on:** June 18, 2004, 09:30:03 AM »

About 2 years ago I purchased a Remington 700 S/S synthetic stock BDL 300 Rem Ultra Mag and mounted a Leupold 4.5-14 Vari X 111 scope with Leupold bases and rings. "WOW" exactly what I wanted very accurate with factory loads or my own reloads and the finish of the rifle was up to what I expected. This is now my new all round go to rifle.

1 year ago I also purchased a Rem 7400 synthetic stock carbine in 30-06.... first shot would not eject the empty unless I manually pulled the bolt back! Tried it a couple of more times with the same results. I sent it back to the store where I purchased it and they sent me out another rifle. The only problems that I have with this rifle is sometimes when I insert the mag it pops past the trigger guard and jams everything up. I have to remove the trigger assembly in order to get the mag back out. The other problem is that I have failure to feed jams. I have 8 mags for this rifle and it happens with all of them. Haven't had time to talk to a Remington warranty rep yet.
Cam

Graybeard · « **Reply #5 on:** June 18, 2004, 11:59:23 AM »

I for one don't see any need to improve their quality as I've never found a problem with it. Of perhaps 250-300 Remington long guns I own or have owned I've had exactly ONE that needed to go back to Remington. Toss in another maybe 6-8 that needed local repair taken care of by a Remington Factory authorized repair station at their expense.

None I've bought in the last 10 years have needed repairs. They still shoot as accurately or more so than those from years past. I just don't see a problem with Remington quality and yes I still buy them often.

GB

Lawdog · « **Reply #6 on:** June 18, 2004, 12:37:11 PM »

Zachary,

When Taurus revolvers were first released they were almost as good as Charter Arms. Both good enough to be named in the Saturday Night Special Law that was passed. Even today, although they are somewhat better, they are still showing up with stress cracks in the frames and cylinders(this I have personally seen). The Raging Bull is one of their most popular products but even they are having problems. As far as Remingtons Customer Service goes, NO they havent improved yet. Not if you go by all the complaints that are still being registered by new owners. If new shooters would quit buying their junk then Remington would get the idea and go back to when they were about the best going. Only company with a better Customer Service back then was Weatherby. Lawdog

MI VHNTR · « **Reply #7 on:** June 18, 2004, 03:55:00 PM »

I bought three new Remington rifles last year. Two were Model 7s and one was a 597 17HMR. I recently had a small problem with the 597. I called Remington Customer Service for instructions. Exactly 7 days later, I had the new part for my rifle. If that's poor customer service, I'd like to see what good customer service is. :roll: Maybe this is good service? I recently saw a NIB Sako that would not chamber a factory round. Heck, it only took 4 months to get it back. :shock: This sure makes me want to run out an buy a Sako.
MI VHNTR

jhm · « **Reply #8 on:** June 18, 2004, 03:57:17 PM »

I am sure that remington is outselling all the manufacturers and probably more than a couple added together, the quality of the remingtons will always have a few shooters unhappy, but some shooters cant or wont be satisfied, no matter what the percentage of problems with their sales is probably as low as any of the others manu. on a percentage basis.

JIM

DirtyHarry · « **Reply #9 on:** June 18, 2004, 08:02:39 PM »

Recently I bought a BDL in 300 rum from a gentleman who purchased it new about 7 months ago and found he didn't care for the recoil. This gun has had nothing touched and after some fine tuning on the scope, I put 5 rounds in a 1 5/16" group at exactly 100 yards. The only thing I can find to complain about is the checkering is not as crisp and sharp as I think it should be.

I should note that I did once purchase a nib Remington 700 BDL that had a loose butt plate, now I am sure this would have been enough to turn some people against remington forever, but I suppose I am just a sucker for punishment..

Carl l. · « **Reply #10 on:** June 19, 2004, 02:18:19 AM »

I got my first Remington in 1947 and the last one in 1999 and I haven't had any trouble with any of them, not one. So I can't say how their Customer Service is. Carl L.

Thomas Krupinski · « **Reply #11 on:** June 19, 2004, 05:01:20 AM »

Harry, be thankful for the smooth checkering on that 700. I got a newer 11-87 Priemier in 20 guage that the checkering is so sharp that when I put in a Koplin Gun Boot with that fuzzy liner, the checkering comes out with fuzz stuck to it. Easy to clean off but a nusiance.

I have quite a few Remingtons and that one is the newest, no quality problems.

Buckfever · « **Reply #12 on:** June 19, 2004, 05:39:02 AM »

I have 2 Rem's a custom built on a 300 action and a 30-06 Mtn. Rifle. Both are very accurate and I am very satisfied with them. I think alot of this gun talk is based on personal preference. I have a 6.5-55 T3 Tikka. It is my current favorite weapon however the other Rem's with do their job every bit as well as my current pet. They are great reliable guns. Buckfever

longwinters · « **Reply #13 on:** June 19, 2004, 10:52:10 AM »

I have been looking at Remingtons lately. Granted I have not shot many, but of the ones I checked out at different stores the quality seemed alright. But the trigger pull was basically discusting. Almost everyone I have ck'd had a trigger pull at 6 pounds or more. I asked a gunsmith about it and he said usually they bottom out his trigger pull scale (which goes accurately to 7 pounds). He also said that after some tender loving care the triggers can be as sweet as can be. Usually, in his mind, the trigger assy is so rough that it causes most of the problems with the harsh trigger pull. So I guess that while it has something to do with lawsuits it also says something about quality.

Long

mountainview · « **Reply #14 on:** June 19, 2004, 09:56:14 PM »

L-winters,

I think the heavy trigger pull is endemic and you will probably find it in most centerfire rifles made now (exception is the Accutrigger). My Remington had an awfully heavy trigger when I got it but once the local gunsmith worked on it to bring the pull down to 3.5 lbs, I had a totally different firearm when I got it back. I don't blame the manufacturers for this and consider it rather unfortunate.

Mountainview

longwinters · « **Reply #15 on:** June 20, 2004, 03:13:01 AM »

I guess that is one of the reasons I like my Sako's, Tikka and now my buddies Sauer. Fantastic triggers out of the box. Infact, the Sauer he just got yesterday probably has the sweetest trigger I have ever pulled for an out of the box rifle. I bet it is under 3 pounds and crisp..... They must not sue gun manufacturers as much in European counties.

Long

oldelkhunter · « **Reply #16 on:** June 21, 2004, 04:04:46 AM »

Remington has the ISS and the lawyer proof trigger other then that they are accurate, lightweight rifles . Sako and Tiika and some other Euro makes have extremely good triggers and you really can't compare American products with these when workmanship and materials are involved.

Muddyboots · « **Reply #17 on:** June 21, 2004, 07:46:28 AM »

I've heard the stories like everyone else. I can only speak from my personal experience with Big Green. Its been all good...so far. My last 3 rifles have been 1 Tikka and 2 - 700's. A Sendero in 300 WM which is the most accurate rifle I have ever owned. Shoots inside an 1" at 200 yds with 200 gr. Accubonds. A bit heavy but not really. If I can carry a Hawkins all day, the Sendero is a breeze! The latest is a new CDL in 7RM. Wood to metal finish is excellent, checkering crisp, action smooth, trigger 5.5 pounds (to be expected), bore appears to be rather smooth from patching and accuracy yet to be determined since I am living in an apartment while waiting for house to be finished. I just don't antcipate any accuracy problemms with the CDL since every 700 I have owned has shot well. Tough to reload under these circumstance. The Tikka is OK as well except for elongated throat on the 300WSM. Bottom line is I have 5 Remingtons and all have been fine. Customer service has been pretty good as well. I called them to locate a CDL and they were able to help without any trouble whatsoever. I guess it is like owning a Dodge Truck versus a Ford. Whatever works for you.
Muddyboots

razmuz · « **Reply #18 on:** June 22, 2004, 01:41:51 PM »

I usually hunt with a CZ 6.5X55, but this last season my daughter/L wanted to hunt so I let her use it. When we got to the deer camp I found out my son left the clip to his BDL home. So that they could hunt together I let him use my rifle. On the first day they hunted and I went to Wal-Mart and bought a 270 Remingto ADL. I figured I would pass it off at a gun show after the season closed. The Remington ADL, plastic and all, has proven to be the most accurate rifle I've ever owned. It will clover leaf about six different hand loads. Just to show my B/L how good the rifle would shoot I filled the case with H-1000/ Speer 130 @ 3.240. I didn't didn't weigh the powder, just filled the case to the brim. The first two bullets were just about in the same hole at 100yrds and the third kissed the others. Remington is allright by me.

357mag · « **Reply #19 on:** June 23, 2004, 04:44:48 AM »

I have noticed there are a lot of Tikka and Sako fans on here and just wanted to through out some facts on them. I don't remember the exact numbers right now but the ones I will list are fairly close. The 30-06 generates around 50,000 cup, the 700 action has been tested to freeze up at around 150,000 to 170,000 cup. The action will come apart and be dangerous to the shooter at around 300,000 cup. That is about 6 times the pressure of an '06. The Tikka and Sako actions have been tested to come apart and be dangerous at around 70-80,000 cup. This is quite a difference in strength. Even with all the new compnaies making bolt action rifles the strongest actions are still the Mauser, Winchester M70, and the Remington M700.

oldelkhunter · « **Reply #20 on:** June 23, 2004, 05:56:52 AM »

[/quote]I have noticed there are a lot of Tikka and Sako fans on here and just wanted to through out some facts on them. I don't remember the exact numbers right now but the ones I will list are fairly close. The 30-06 generates around 50,000 cup, the 700 action has been tested to freeze up at around 150,000 to 170,000 cup. The action will come apart and be dangerous to the shooter at around 300,000 cup. That is about 6 times the pressure of an '06. The Tikka and Sako actions have been tested to come apart and be dangerous at around 70-80,000 cup. This is quite a difference in strength. Even with all the new compnaies making bolt action rifles the strongest actions are still the Mauser, Winchester M70, and the Remington M700.

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Catfish · « **Reply #21 on:** June 25, 2004, 05:56:01 PM »

I can`t really say that I like one action alot better than another. I have had afew 700 actions and the last I bought was a 700 in .17 Rem., which they recalled. The turn around time was not bad, but the barrel they put on my gun did not shoot near as accuratly as the one they took off, and they screwed up my trigger pull. I know that all of this was due to law suits, but it sure didn`t go down well with me. Still the compainy did have good turn around time and I can still kill groundhogs at 300 yrds. with the gun, even if it don`t shoot as good as the old barrel, and I have readjusted the trigger. I have never had any problem with any of the rest of my Rem. actions.

TennesseeNuc · « **Reply #22 on:** June 25, 2004, 09:16:40 PM »

I've never had a problem with Remingtons. All that I have ever owned functioned well and were very accurate. I don't know how there service is, because I've never had to use it.
Best,
TnNuc

Mac11700 · « **Reply #23 on:** June 26, 2004, 05:20:03 AM »

I can't say for their rifle technicians...but for their shotgun division...absolutely yes...their C/S has improved....I bought a 1100 Classic Trap this spring...on the advise of the C/S department...I told them I wanted to shoot all of the clay sports with it and was told..that most of the folks there use this configuration and just change out the chokes...well it didn't work for me and the gun fit with that paticular montecarlo stock was way to high...a week after buying it and patterning and shooting it...I was in utter disgust with it.I called and talked with one of the ladies there that I had spoken previously with..and explained it to her.She had me ship the stocks to her next-day-air and she replaced them with a set of the finest AA grade burled walnut Sporting Clays stocks for just the price of shipping it to them...and I had them in 3 days....you can say what you want about them...but there are some top-notch folks working for Remington these days....I think the big key to getting good Customer Service...is when you talk with them...show them a little respect and kindness...they get a lot of complaints and gripes all the time(that's their job I know) but ...a little kindness and courtesy can pay big dividends getting you problem corrected.

Mac

bgjohn · « **Reply #24 on:** June 26, 2004, 07:56:49 AM »

I've had problems with the following NEW guns:
Winchester rifle
Winchester shotgun
S & W revolver

I've NEVER had a problem with a:
Ruger
Savage
Colt
CZ
Anshutz
Ithaca
Remington

Omaha-BeenGlockin · « **Reply #25 on:** June 27, 2004, 09:11:25 AM »

Actually--- the strongest action is the Weatherby-----everything else is a wanna be in comparison------and I don't particularly care for the Weatherby action. According to Weatherby---and I tend to believe them as their actions weigh near a good pound more than the others.

Also---when you talk about numbers for action strength----it would be helpfull to give your sources---otherwise your claims can't be taken seriously.

oldgunr · « **Reply #26 on:** June 29, 2004, 06:49:37 PM »

Remington Rifles. My first was a single shot 22 targetmaster. I have owned several Remingtons since, all were excellent and i have never had a problem. My most recent purchases were a model 700 LSS in 7mmMag. a great shooter, and Remingtons new offering a model 700 CDL (Classic Deluxe in .270) The trigger will need to be tuned on this one. I also own Winchesters and Savages. The 700 is my overall choice for hunting, and the Savage for targets.

oldelkhunter · « **Reply #27 on:** July 01, 2004, 07:12:53 AM »

I've had problems with the following NEW guns:
Remington
Weatherby
Savage
S & W revolver

I've NEVER had a problem with a:
Ruger
Ithaca
Reminton
Winchester
Browning
Sako

That said it wouldn't keep me from purchasing any of the bad ones