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Offline strider72

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« on: June 16, 2004, 03:00:46 PM »
I am interested in anyone's experiences with their Remington 700's extractor failing. I am debating putting a sako extractor kit in mine. Mine is chambered in .308. Any info is apreciated.

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« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2004, 03:06:05 PM »
I never had an extractor fail on any of my Remington 700s (of which I own several), but I did have ONE fail on one of my Winchester M70s - and it happened to be my .375H&H!  Can you imagine what would happen if the extractor failed while I was shooting at a charging buffalo! :eek:

Thank goodness it happened at the gun range and it happened after about 15 shots.  Keep in mind that this was a NIB rifle.  AND keep in mind that the M70s, which are SUPPOSED to give you the confidence of a true DANGEROUS GAME rifle, was the one that could have killed me.

As far as the Sako extractor for the Remington is concerned, I don't think that you need it.  If anything, it might even affect your accuracy a bit (and not for the better.)

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« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2004, 03:26:52 PM »
I have never had one or even seen one in person fail on a Remington. I have been witness to extraction failures on two other brands, but that may have been due to outside influences...
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« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2004, 04:58:02 PM »
You do not mention if it is the old type that is rivited or the new spring type.  Both need to be cleaned with a brush after shooting to remove slivers of the case head and gunk that builds up around them.  Did it break, eat a chunk out of the case or just slide over?

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« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2004, 06:59:27 PM »
My old Remington 700 BDL never had any failure to function, and I don't know anybody at any of the gun ranges I frequent that's had a problem.
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« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2004, 03:10:17 AM »
I've never met a person that did have one fail. A local gunsmith said he had replaced a few and hated trying to replace the older riveted ones. He said most broke due to hot handloads in his experience. He said he didn't recall replacing one on a rifle that only shot factory ammo.
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« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2004, 04:27:54 AM »
Over the years NEVER saw or had a remington fail me and at one time I owned several of them and also was involved in 2 gunshops with ranges and never saw one, I am sure that they have failed but that can happen on anything on a weapon. :D    JIM

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« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2004, 06:30:16 AM »
Dear Friend,

    I know that you are only trying to improve your rifle, but I think that you are trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist, which always always creates the risk that you will mess up your rifle with your attempt to improve it.

    The Remington 700 extractors are very very reliable.  You need to check to see if your rifle has the old type extractor, or the newer type.    The older extractors had a rivet hole drilled through them in a mannner that would make them break very very occasionally.  I believe that starting about 1981, Remingon changed the design to eliminate the issue and put them in all of their new model 700 rifles ever since.   If you look in a gunsmithing book or talk to a gunsmith, he can give you the serial number for the change-over.

    The stories that any of these extractors are "weak" or "break easily" or are "prone to breaking" is almost an uban myth.  I have shot Remington 700s for 35 years, both the old and new style, and I have never had one break, ever.  In 35 years of shooting, I have never seen one break on someone else's rifle, or known anyone who actually had one break.  The stories about these extractors breaking are always in the nature of "I have a friend, who knows a guy, who knows a guy, who said that his extractor broke."

    There are actually many articles that have been written on this topic over the years by gunwriters in gun magazines, and they all come to the conclusion that it is an urban myth.  As one experienced big game hunter said, in 50 years of hunting, he had never had a Remington extractor break, but he had had two extractors break on Mauser 98 rifles (which are supposed to have the most reliable extractor system of all.)

      Remember also, that Whitefeather (Carlos Hathcock) the most famous and successful U.S. sniper of all times, used the Remington Model 700 in Vietnam for almost all of his work, under combat conditions, and never had a problem with them.  He also occassionally used a Winchester Model 70.  His Remington had the old type extractor.

     I guess the only circumstance that I would even consider installing a Sako type extractor would be if I did lots and lots of handloading, at high pressures, and were constantly having to pull really really hard on the bolt to get stuck cases out of the chamber.  Even then, this may not justify it, because if you are having these types of problems with your cases, then this is a sign of dangerous pressure and you should stop loading at this level.   Remember also, that the Remington extractor is made of the highest grade spring steel and if very very tough.

     Also, as anyone who has fooled with rifles can tell you, if you take your gun to a gunsmith (even a good one) to have the Sako extractor installed, you are running an ordinary risk that there will be problems with the installation (a botched job), and that Sako extractor won't work properly.  Then you will have to buy a new bolt, and have that hand fitted!
 
     Bottom Line of my advice here is:

     1.      For every story of a failed Remington extractor, there is also a story of a failed mauser or other type of extractor.

     2.      I know you want to improve your rifle, but "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

Best Regards,

Big Paulie

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« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2004, 10:56:15 AM »
I've replaced several on M700's both old style and new.  They break often enough that brownells has someone making replacement parts for the old style extractor, that has to say something..  They are generally a bear to install if they break, especially the new ones.  They are held in place only by their shape and springyness.  Now remember the same extractor is used for the pump and autoloading rifles...  If a 742 gets a little rust in the chamber and is fired, the extractor will fail.  To it's credit the extractor usually doesn;t break, it just fails to work!..  Polishing the chamber usually remedies the problem.  I've never seen a mauser break unless someone did a 'no no'.  The most common problem with the mauser is to try and force the extractor to 'jump' over the case rim..  without using the correct method for taking the tension of.. This sometimes results ina broken extractor hook.  To be fair though there is no gas powered autoloader jerking on the extractor of a mauser.  The extractors on my daughters custom M700 got jammed and we had to go to the backup rifle.. I fixed it but she was out of commission for several hours.  A brass sliver, BEHIND the extractor wouldn't allow it to move.  Would I go to a sako?  No.  The M700 works pretty well most of the time..  It's failure rate is small enough that I wouldn't go to the expense unless the bolt face rim was damaged and the normal extractor was no longer an option.
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« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2004, 03:22:40 PM »
All your posts are appreciated. Been debating it for awhile. For the record mine has not failed , just a little curiousity. Also, have only fired factory loads, although some Norinco FMJ and some Cavim FMJ was stout. Am going to start reloading but want to keep the specs about factory. If I were to ever have a failure I'll let you all know.

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« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2004, 04:45:16 AM »
One of the reasons I have little desire to own another 700 is the fact that my last one would fail to extract cases about 25% of the time. It was very frustrating. That little thing they call an extractor is a sorry example if you ask me. I'll only have rifles with Sako or claw extractors from now on.

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« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2004, 10:04:32 AM »
I am no fan of Remington 700s, particularly new ones. I have only kept one, an old Classic in .300 H&H.  So, consider the source.

But there are many self-confessed Rem 700 fans on the 24 campfire site. Most use the actions as a base for fine custom rifles and almost all of them replace the factory extractor. In fact, by the time that they are done, the barrel, stock, trigger, bolt shroud, springs,  recoil lug, and often the bolt handle  are all replaced. So, the end product is a very small r Reminghton with heavy after-market inputs.

I use a different formula for most of my rifles. I usually buy Rugers and make them shoot reliably and accurately with trigger work or replacement, re-bedding. and free floating. The stocks fit me fine and they have classic lines -- no high glare finishes or built-in key locks.

I have had one fail mechanically -- an old style 44 carbine with a worn-out part -- and Ruger fixed it.

To each his own.

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« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2004, 10:33:23 AM »
Sometimes its not the extractors fault. This past June 3rd, 2004 while shooting prairie dogs in Montana my shooting partners Rem 700 22-250 extractor pulled through the rims of 2 of his empties. We had to stop of course and drive them out with a cleaning rod. Turns out his batch of R-P cases had an unusually thin rim as compared to other R-P cases he and I had.  PDog2225
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