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700 yd zero???
« on: June 08, 2004, 02:23:50 PM »
in the vietnam war the snipers like carlos hathcock zeroed there win mod. 70 30/06 for 700 yds. what kind of a group could you get at 700 yds :? .the highest power scope they used was a 10x unertial[or was it 12x??]. what happend if they had a target a 100 yds. would they aim at the knees and mybe hit in the head??????[i'm sorry for being so graffic :(  :( just couriuos] 'cause a 30/06 would be about 64'' high at 100 yds. carlos hathcock killed a general at 900 yds with a /06 :eek:  :eek:  :eek:  that is one amazing shot :eek:  :eek: . i would like any info or comments :-D
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« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2004, 02:53:47 PM »
The wind must have been blowing hard that day. Ask LawDog, he could probably help out. He reloads. He should know about 30/06. :wink:

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« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2004, 02:55:56 PM »
Howdy buckslayer,

Given a 700 yard zero, most '06 loads would be only about 16"- 18" high at 100. A groin hold (?) you get you a center-chest hit under those conditions. Now, moving from 600 yards to 1000 is good for another 22-ish minutes of elevation!

Once past 350 yards or so, the biggest obstacle is not being able to hold on your target but accurately doping the wind and distance between.

HTH

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« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2004, 03:27:29 PM »
Ohhhh, is that all? :)

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« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2004, 03:34:30 PM »
Buckslayer,

I will try to answer your question the best I can, I was in the Marine Corps during that time and our snipers used 10X scopes.  Carlos had just won the Wimberton Trophy at Camp Perry I believe the year before or might have been two years.  That's shooting at the 1000 yard line.

First of all back in those days all Marines qualifed with the M-1 Garand and then later the M-14 and you fired at the 200, 300, and 500 yard line with open sights.  Each Marine kept his own dope book that Marine Corps issued.  So had any given yard line you knew what your come ups were and your windage, now saying that you also had to put in for windage on that day you where shooting depending on which direction and how hard the wind was blowing, we were taught to read the wind.  After you qualification day you had a little card that you filled out with the dope and you put in your battle sights on the card which was for 300 yards.  This card went into the stock so if you were killed another Marine could pick up your rifle run the elevation and windage knobs down to zero and reset for 300 yard.

Now with the snipers this was taken even further with the Winchester 30-06's and they all had their dope (come ups/windage, etc.) in their book on that rifle and what their come up's where at a given range plus they could also set the scope at a given come up to shoot dead on out to say 300 yards.  It's really not that hard, you just practice alot during it and it becomes second nature to you.  If I zero my rifle in for 3 inches high at 100 yards, I can hold dead on in the chest area of a man and get a clean kill, alot like hunting where you have an 18" kill zone.  The biggest problem is the wind since the chest is not has wide has a deer/elk, you have less room for error not the elevation.
Both of my son's our snipers in the Army until one became an officer and starting flying chopters, but they practice everyday on shooting at different yards.  I hope this answers your question somewhat.

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« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2004, 02:10:42 AM »
Gunnery Sergeant Carlos Hathcock used an  Unertl 8X scope(target?) on a Winchester M70 30-06.  I cannot remember if they were using mil dots or not at that time.  If I remember correctly, the "B mod" target that were shot on the 500 yard line in the Corps was 40" top to bottom and 20" from side to side(20x40).  That's a small target with the naked eye at 500 yards but it is a lot of area for a bullet to strike.  Even with a 700 yard zero, I figure that at most ranges that Gunny Hathcock shot he was in the "black" so to speak.   Semper Fi!

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« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2004, 03:28:26 AM »
Check out snipercountry.com for more info.  8)

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« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2004, 02:26:44 PM »
ther'er some shooters :eek:  :eek:  :eek: . thanks for the info. it answered all my questians :-)  :-)
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